If possible,I would like to know the differences between the DeLeorn and the Tejon.Good/bad or so so.How you really feel about them??I use a Minelab explorer XS and would like to get one of the two as a backup and also just for a change of pace.Minelab is kind of heavy. Thanks Bob mod_embed_images_loadimage( 'c6666ca9307a3756a5208865fc466041', 'http://www.findmall.com/addon.php?17,module=embed_images,url=%2Fmetal%2Fhtml%2Fshrug.gif', '/metal/html/shrug.gif', 'http://www.findmall.com/addon.php?17,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=%2Fmetal%2Fhtml%2Fshrug.gif', '', 61562, 400, 0, 'Loading image ...', false ); mod_embed_images_loadimage( '4dcb94bdd02dc6047f0381f271258d89', 'http://www.findmall.com/addon.php?17,module=embed_images,url=%2Fmetal%2Fhtml%2Fhelp.gif', '/metal/html/help.gif', 'http://www.findmall.com/addon.php?17,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=%2Fmetal%2Fhtml%2Fhelp.gif', '', 61562, 400, 0, 'Loading image ...', false );http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61562#msg-61562Thu, 23 May 2013 15:37:53 -0500 Phorum 5.2.18 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61650#msg-61650 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61650#msg-61650Unless maybe you're using a Minelab in northern Virginia on a fine spring or fall weekend

Otherwise, and sorry for getting all philosophical on you here, but it all comes back to the basic age-old question of if a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, did the tree actually fall? And a similarly age-old detecting question would be how many times have so many of us talked ourselves into buying detectors others swore up and down *would* actually hear that tree falling, and it ended up that there was no tree in the first place?
This ends our Confucius programming day

Scott
]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumWed, 29 Oct 2003 15:31:04 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61649#msg-61649 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61649#msg-61649All in all, I just figured you were having an off day or something the first time around.
Scott]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumWed, 29 Oct 2003 15:10:50 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61648#msg-61648 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61648#msg-61648One time my buddy and I were detecting on a new Roman site that we had just found. I was using the Tesoro SS2 and he was using the Whites Eagle Spectrum. I found a total of 23 Roman coins, he found only 10, and was complaining about all the iron (which I had no problem with). The second time we went to this site, he had 'permed a programme' to deal with all the iron that he suffered with the first time round. I have to admit, he kicked my butt this time! but what I'm saying here is; on a lot of sites we visit, you only get one shot at them! if this had been one of these sites, I'd have kicked HIS BUTT!

I go for ease of use, simplicity and ENJOYMENT every time!
]]> charlie (UK) Tesoro ForumWed, 29 Oct 2003 14:24:11 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61606#msg-61606 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61606#msg-61606

as best I can.My main target is coin hunting at beach,grass parks and at old celler holes or remains there of.I'll pick up relics"rings,pins,old watches,etc.at where ever I come accross them.As far as old horse shoes and the like,I've dug enough of that JUNK when I was younger so I'm not interested in that.Of course,I will pickup an old cannon ball if I find one.I'm good for about 5 hrs. with the ex. then I would like to switch to something lighter with close to the same performance.I realize the deleon and the tejon won't give me everything or as much but I'm not expecting it.Some of the places I've been waiting for winter,so I can get into,are a long way off the trail.I hope this answers some of the questions.Sorry I didn't include this in my first post.Bob

]]> Bob Tesoro ForumSun, 26 Oct 2003 09:35:14 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61605#msg-61605 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61605#msg-61605"If having TID is very important, then that narrows the decision down.".... IF having Target ID is a must, and IF Tesoro is the only brand he's considering, and IF he wants simplicity, then the decision between the DeLeón and Tejón is simple.
"However, since the Explorer can do what it does in the way of accurate Target ID, I would suggest the Tejón.".... While I do not care for the Explorer's 'wobble' or heavy weight or terrible balance, and am not too thrilled with the required touch pad adjustments and mode changes, I will give it credit for being able to provide the most accurate Target ID on coin-type targets at depth compared to any other make or model currently produced.
Therefore, since he has a Target ID model that can give more accurate TID's in some challenging ground compared to the DeLeón or other models, the Tejón is a model that will give him more operator control over his detecting set-up.
"I have pitted some Tejón's and Explorer's against each other in a variety of environments and tasks and have to tell you the Tejón did well.".... Naturtally not in the way of Target ID, but definitely in the categories of target detection and depth of detection. No, not in every instance, but overall the Tejón was impressive.
"Also, the handling was much better due to the improved weight and balance."".... Pretty easy to understand when you're hunting on some slopes, and in dense brush and having to maneuver with the detector in hand.
"That is, it did what it was intended to do.".... It was designed for relic & coin hunting.
" It did it reasonably well.".... No major complaints about control adjustment, discriminate performance, operating mode, etc.
"It did it better than many competitors, too.".... There were some situations when another brand and model seemed to have a slight 'edge' in performance, but this can only be expected because nothing is perfect.
I guess the best arguement to my statement is just what is a "competitor," and I suppose it could be described as a model in a similar price range, one with similar features, one with the same intended function, or a combination of these.
Working with others and using an assortment of makes and models, we found that those who were more experienced and undestood how to tune the Shadow X5 for peak performance would sometimes get slightly better results. Note that I said 'sometimes' and 'slightly.' The same applied to the Tejón, but in less trained/skilled hands they had better results with the Tejón than with the X5.
Usually, it (the Tejón) produced slightly better depth of detection than the Minelab Explorer, .. HOWEVER, the Explorer's Target ID made up the difference and gave it the 'edge' when hunting nice park lawns.
Simply comparing audio responses and in a wide variety of hunting environments I frequent, I had better performance, overall, from the Tejón than I did from any Garrett model, The White's XLT, and quite a few others. Many of them, but I can assure you, not all!
I like the Tejón. I think it is a very worthy introduction from Tesoro and it ought to do well. It has some areas I think could be addressed, but that is normal of any detector model.
I would put it in the top 6 of my all time favorite Tesoro's, along with the Bandido, Bandido II µMAX, Eldorado, Silver Sabre µMAX and Diablo µMAX.
In the end, however, any detector purchase decision has to be considered based upon the intended uses and desired features.
Monte]]> Monte Tesoro ForumSun, 26 Oct 2003 08:50:42 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61603#msg-61603 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61603#msg-61603

Easy to use, excellent performance, and 'fun!' verses some more featured models like the DFX that are more confusing to many, and challenging to use.
The DeLeón, like many other easy-to-use, turn-on-and-go TID models, certainly has its strong points.
Monte
]]> Monte Tesoro ForumSun, 26 Oct 2003 06:05:59 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61602#msg-61602 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61602#msg-61602In technical consideration it is a difference in what they refer to as "ring time."
The earliest motion discriminators, designed by Bounty Hunter, were the Red Barons and they used an almost 'rocket speed' sweep requirement. Eventually, White's models, licensed by Bounty Hunter to use their patented motion discrimination (4128803), were developed that set the standard by which most 4-filter & 2-filter designs were compared. These were the 5000 and 6000 series units. In time, they evolved into models that used White's own technology and not the BH patent, and the refined versions we have today in the XL Pro and XLT, for example, while still 4-filter designs, are really considered more of a slower-to-moderate sweep speed design.
While other makes and models have been produced using a 2-filter, slow-motion circuitry, perhaps all of them have to be compared to the Tesoro line of detectors. I feel Tesoro really set the standard by which all other 2-filter designs are compared. The Tesoro design can be considered slow-motion, and in some cases even ultra-slow capable.
As such, the Tesoro motion discriminators are "Slow-Sweep" designs. They do not require the ultra-slow sweep of the Explorer and are a little more forgiving if you use a faster (moderate) sweep speed.
In more mineralized ground, however, the 4-filter designs can be swept a little faster and sometimes need it for improved performance. On the other hand, the slow-motion 2-filter discriminators require a slower-motion in the more mineralized environments. A too fast sweep can greatly impact the detector's performance ... negatively.

Now, while the Tejón and DeLeón are slow-motion models, by their very nature they have a fast recovery and are capable of responding to closely-spaced multiple targets.
Monte
]]> Monte Tesoro ForumSun, 26 Oct 2003 05:55:39 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61601#msg-61601 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61601#msg-61601"GOSH!!! I didn't intend to turn the pot upside down.".... No pot turned here.
"I am however, thankful for the unbiest and honest answers. Scot brings up a good point about not going backwards. Yes,I do like the metered machine."... But if we (responders) are supposed to explain 'why' (as Scott suggests), then perhaps it would be fair to seek the 'why' from you in order for us to respond. Just 'WHY' do you like a metered machine?
What have you used before with or without a meter?
What applications do you have for the Target ID information?
"I guess I lean toward the DeLeon ...".... Why?
"... and am wondering if all thats said about it, by Tesoro, is also what the actual users of the machine have to say about it."... What, specifically is said about the DeLeón by Tesoro that you are wondering about?
"I've read the field test, but thats not always what the real story is.".... Quite true. There are many different applications for a metal detector. There is a wide variety of makes and models that have different sweep speed requirements, differences in the way the ground cancelling is achieved, differences in the way they process and display both audio and visual target information, and there still remains no one, single, "perfect" or "best" detector model.
A hobbyist has to match the detector's controls and design functions with their own skills/knowledge/patience/persistence in order to gain the most out of it for the different types of applications.
By asking about $699 and $599 models (the lesser priced being the one with visual Target ID even) and how they compare to each other as well as how they compare against a top-end model at twice (or more) their suggested retail price hints to me that you must be acknowledging that there is someting lacking about your Explorer's performance, or you have some applications where you are wondering if one of these two Tesoro models might provide you with a little performance 'edge' over the Explorer.
So, I ask you, what it is about your Explorer that you do not like so much that you think a Tejón or DeLeón might excell at?
What application/applications do you have where you think a Tejón or DeLeón might be a better pick than the much more expensive, and adjustment featured, Explorer is able to perform?
With some of those answers, I am certain that many other readers would be interested in responding, or at least reading those from others who do.

Monte
PS: I understand the Explorer's and know that there are some times when another detector might make a very good 'companion model' to them. But I also know that making that selection is going to be dependant upon what the operator wants in the way of features or controls, and the type of use they have for it.
]]> Monte Tesoro ForumSun, 26 Oct 2003 05:32:27 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61600#msg-61600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61600#msg-61600Next, after reading all of the posts below Bob's initial inquiry, I will start here:
"Personally, I like non-TID turn on and go machines, but that's just me. But I still realize TID and/or manual-GB machines have their time and place to give you that extra info you just can't get with a machine not set up for that.".... Exactly! Some makes and models are going to offer certain advantages over other makes and models and it is important to know what "time and place" a person might need to use a detector in order to tailor their detector and/or coil selection.
"But I think you hit on the most important point: Use the machine you like best for whatever environment you're using it in and enjoy the living daylights out of this hobby because really, that's what it's all about.".... Yes, indeed. Use the detector for the environment and application, and that just happend to be one of the points I brought out in my initial question/response to Bob. I asked what type(s) of hunting he does in order to know how to better respond regarding a detector selection.
Have I replied any more yet? No, but I am now. Perhaps I was waiting to know more about what "environment" Bob is going to be using his new Tesoro selection in. That way, I will know "what model might have advantages over the other" for his intended uses. Just what "time and place" need or want was Bob looking to fill?

Monte
]]> Monte Tesoro ForumSun, 26 Oct 2003 05:06:07 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61598#msg-61598 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61598#msg-61598Maybe I'm just living up to my reputation of being a hornet's nest-banger here, but I find it unusual -- not to mention a disservice to those who may be lurking with the same concerns as Bob -- that he not suggest evidence that bear out his statements regarding the performance of one or several detectors against another. If'n you're going to go saying what you're saying, at least have the common decency in the first place to say who and why.
Sigh.
Scott]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumSat, 25 Oct 2003 23:18:44 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61597#msg-61597 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61597#msg-61597

]]> Ralph Tesoro ForumSat, 25 Oct 2003 23:03:43 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61595#msg-61595 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61595#msg-61595Amd IMO, that's a friggin' shame and well, just kinda proves my original point, long as it may have been.
Basically, the consensus of the posts I've sen from actual users over the past year regarding the DeLeon have been highly favorable. IMO a lot of merted machines (both Tesoro and other brands) have their own little set of quirks just like every detector ever made has it's own set of quirks, but it's nothing outrageous, and I don't recall anyone with a DeLeon complaining about the depth, either.
All in all, if I was in your shoes, I think I'd be pretty happy with the DeLeon and would probably find the TID to be a lot easier and straightforward compared to what you're used to dealing with with your Minelab. Tesoro has a habit of making things astoundingly simple, which is why I'm a major fan of the brand.
Scott]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumSat, 25 Oct 2003 21:58:01 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61594#msg-61594 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61594#msg-61594But I think you hit on the most important point: Use the machine you like best for whatever environment you're using it in and enjoy the living daylights out of this hobby because really, that's what it's all about -- even if

your somewhat shallower non-TID machine has you waling over a target or two because

what you don't hear won't hurt you

Scott
]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumSat, 25 Oct 2003 21:48:02 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61589#msg-61589 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61589#msg-61589

]]> Bob Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 21:21:01 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61587#msg-61587 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61587#msg-61587

The discrim is very good, and it feels like half the weight of the DFX or Explorer!
Apart from forgetting to switch it on, you can't go wrong with it!

]]> charlie (UK) Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 16:46:23 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61585#msg-61585 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61585#msg-61585

]]> charlie (UK) Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 16:37:13 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61584#msg-61584 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61584#msg-61584 walter riddle Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 16:23:21 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61582#msg-61582 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61582#msg-61582

]]> Bob Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 16:10:35 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61580#msg-61580 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61580#msg-61580First and formost is the soil conditions in your area. A drawback to a deleon is that is a turn on and go detector. It has no manual GB. So in real bad conditions a deleon fails against a Tejon. The tejon has a decided depth capability over the DL. I like the TID but the tejon can be set for matching effect. If you are primarily using the machine to hunt in parks and yards and above 8" I say deleon. If you are a relic hunter or in bad conditions I say tejon.
With all this being said, I love my X-5. But in defense of the Tejon, hunting side by side, the tejon can keep up with the x-5 in my neck of the woods relic hunting, if you take the time to learn the machine! The quality of the DL and TJ are fine. Each has a learning curve. Each performs like a tesoro should, great in trash.
Hope this helps]]> walter riddle Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 14:45:30 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61578#msg-61578 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61578#msg-61578

]]> Bob Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 08:47:55 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61575#msg-61575 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61575#msg-61575Bob needs to know, especially since you're a Tesoro dealer who's used many different models from non-Tesoro manufacturers that's making solid recommendations here to Bob and it's *his* few hundred bucks on the line. Bob asked in good faith, so in the same good faith and guidance, I think it would only be fair for you to name those "competing" names and models, and the testing processes you used to arrive at such advice.
Again, please be clear: I am not disputing your comment or comments by others that the Tejon does in fact do "what it was intended to do." However, I am disputing the amorphous and totally useless "politically correct" responses that don't tell people exactly what they want to know because everyone's trying to be all pablum and non-offensive white-bread about this hobby and give everyone the impression that one detector is no better or worse than another when that is in fact not the case at all.
Bob's depending on you.
Scott]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 05:01:34 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61574#msg-61574 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61574#msg-61574If I recall right, the Explorer is a metered detector. People who use metered machines exclusively tend to buy and continue to use metered machines in the first place for a reason. So personally speaking, I would disagree on face value with any dealer's advice to have a metered user switch to a non-metered machine (not to mention a completely different manufacturer) cold turkey -- unless the metered user is specifically saying he wants to go to a non-meterd machine.
Not only that, but if I was a dealer, I would seriously feel sort of heebie-jeebie over the basic fact that a Minelab and a Tesoro work on totally different technologies (BBS vs. VLF) which on its own would open the door to the distinct possibility that a BBS user would find VLF more lacking to some degree as far as depth and peformance goes.
Assuming that Bob is perfectly aware that while any Tesoro is significantly lighter than a Minelab, any Tesoro not exactly comparable in the depth department, and requires manual ground balance in bad dirt while such considerations are completely moot with a BBS machine, so Bob's basically IMO taking a step backward as it is. And assuming that Bob actually wants to take a step backward, why would any dealer recommend that Bob even try to adapt to such a foreign environment that unmetered detectors tend to be? "Backup detector" doesn't necessarily have to mean "cheaper detector with far less features," regardless of how Bob intended to use his back detector (and I'm assuming he's intending to hunt the same type of ground or sites he's now hunting).
The Tejon will do well anywhere. But really, IMO the only Minelab you can "pit" a Tejon or any other VLF detector is Minelab's VLF Advantage, which unless I'm wrong is lighter than the Explorer.
Sorry if I'm being too much of a nitpicky pisher here, but that's kinda the way I see it. As always, opposing views are always welcome, especially if I'm obviously wrong.
Scott]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 04:43:53 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61573#msg-61573 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61573#msg-61573First of all, you're asking for comparisons between two detectors that are vastly different in features and, some might say, function.
The DeLeon is a metered detector. The Tejon is not. That right there tosses a LOT -- and some would say ALL -- of any sort of basic comparison between those two detectors right out the window just on basic principles. In fact, so much so that, to some, this would close the case, end of story. So comparison lesson #1: Never try to compare a meterd detector and a non-metered detector.
Likewise, the DeLeon has some basic features that the Tejon doesn't have, and the Tejon has some basic features the DeLeon doesn't have. Yet another reason why some among us (including me) would toss out any comparison between the two just on basic, general principles.
Otherwise, it all comes down to one thing: Do you want a metered detector or an unmetered detector? Select accordingly. The basic differences between the DeLeon and the Tejon (or any other Tesoro) as far as specifications go can be had by checking out Tesoro's site. Figure out which of each detector's features would help you most and buy accordingly.
Scott]]> Scott Buckner Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 04:18:44 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61572#msg-61572 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61572#msg-61572However, since the Explorer can do what it does in the way of accurate Target ID, I would suggest the Tejón. I have pitted the some Tejón's and Explorers against each other in a variety of environments and tasks and have to tell you the Tejón did well. That is, it did what it was intended to do. It did it reasonably well. It did it better than many competitors, too.
Monte]]> Monte Tesoro ForumThu, 23 Oct 2003 00:06:15 -0500 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61562#msg-61562 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,61562,61562#msg-61562

]]> Bob Tesoro ForumWed, 22 Oct 2003 16:09:12 -0500