Please share your experiences and knowledge so that we might criticize.http://www.findmall.com/list.php?20Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:45:38 -0600 Phorum 5.2-dev http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094540,1094540#msg-1094540 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094540,1094540#msg-1094540http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/20/oprah.show.announcement/index.html]]> R-n-R Magnolia Springs,Ala Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 15:38:17 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094526,1094526#msg-1094526 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094526,1094526#msg-1094526


http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/20/california.tuition.protests/index.html]]> R-n-R Magnolia Springs,Ala Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 14:36:35 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094520,1094520#msg-1094520 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094520,1094520#msg-1094520
]]> Royal Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 15:19:48 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094367,1094367#msg-1094367 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094367,1094367#msg-109436700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Peruvian police: Gang killed people for their fat


A police officer displays two bottles containing human fat while another sets AP A police officer displays two bottles containing human fat while another sets seized sticks of dynamite
By ANDREW WHALEN, Associated Press Writer Andrew Whalen, Associated Press Writer Fri Nov 20, 3:10 am ET

LIMA, Peru Police say a gang in the Peruvian jungle has been killing people and draining fat from the corpses to sell on the black market for use in cosmetics, although medical experts say they doubt a major market for fat exists.

Three suspects confessed to killing five people, but the gang may have been involved in dozens more, said Col. Jorge Mejia, chief of Peru's anti-kidnapping police. He said one suspect claimed the gang wasn't the only one doing such killings.

Mejia said two of the suspects were arrested carrying bottles of liquid human fat and told police it was worth $60,000 a gallon ($15,000 a liter). The fat was sold to intermediaries in Peru's capital, Lima, and police suspect it was then sold to cosmetic companies in Europe, Mejia said Thursday, but he could not confirm any sales.

Medical experts expressed doubt about an international black market for human fat, though it does have cosmetic applications. A dermatology professor at Yale University, Dr. Lisa Donofrio, speculated that a small market may exist for "human fat extracts" to keep skin supple, but she said that scientifically such treatments are "pure baloney."

At a news conference, police showed reporters two bottles of fat recovered from the suspects and a photo of the rotting head of a 27-year-old male victim. Suspect Elmer Segundo Castillejos, 29, led police to the head, recovered in a coca-growing valley last month, Mejia said.

Mejia said Castillejos recounted how the gang cut off its victims' heads, arms and legs, removed the organs, then suspended the torsos from hooks above candles that warmed the flesh as fat dripped into tubs below.

Six members of the gang remain at large, Mejia said. Among them was the band's alleged leader, Hilario Cudena, 56, who Castillejos told police has been killing people to extract human fat for more than three decades.

This year alone, at least 60 people are listed as missing in Huanuco province, where the gang allegedly operated, though the province is also home to drug-trafficking leftist rebels.

Mejia said police received a tip four months ago that human fat from the jungle was being sold in Lima. In August, he said, police infiltrated the band and later obtained some of the amber fluid, which a police lab confirmed as human fat.

On Nov. 3, police arrested Serapio Marcos Veramendi and Enedina Estela in a Lima bus station with a quart (a liter) of human fat in a soda bottle. Their testimony led to the arrest of Castillejos three days later at the same bus station.

The three are charged with homicide, criminal conspiracy, illegal firearms possession and drug trafficking, according to a statement from Lima Superior Court. Police said they were searching for the alleged buyer.

Police dubbed the gang the "Pishtacos" after a Peruvian myth dating to pre-Columbian times of men who killed to extract human fat, quartering their victims with machetes.

Medical authorities contacted by The Associated Press said human fat is used in anti-wrinkle treatments but is always extracted from the patient who is being treated, usually from the stomach or buttocks.

"There would be a risk of immunological reaction that could lead to life-threatening consequences" if fat from someone else were used, said Dr. Neil Sadick, a professor of dermatology at Cornell Weill Medical College in New York.

Dr. Adam Katz, a professor of plastic surgery at the University of Virginia medical school, was incredulous when told about the Peruvian ring.

"I can't see why there would be a black market for fat," he said. "It doesn't make any sense at all, because in most countries we can get fat so readily and in such amounts from people who are willing and ready to donate that I don't see why there would ever be a black market for fat, of all tissues."

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]]> Jim Vokes NY Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 06:11:31 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094296,1094296#msg-1094296 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094296,1094296#msg-1094296
Isn't there one Liberal out there that has the ability to honestly put forth the plus sides of Obama's policies, Acorn, Marxism, Socialism, Cap & Trade and redistribution of wealth?

What a waste....]]> Jim Vokes NY Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 15:11:55 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094249,1094249#msg-1094249 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094249,1094249#msg-1094249
Bill]]> Uncle Willy Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 00:46:33 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094242,1094242#msg-1094242 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094242,1094242#msg-1094242 Jerome Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 05:38:14 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094236,1094236#msg-1094236 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094236,1094236#msg-1094236
Bill]]> Uncle Willy Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 05:54:50 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094110,1094110#msg-1094110 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094110,1094110#msg-1094110


]]> Nitro Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 05:09:43 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094003,1094003#msg-1094003 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1094003,1094003#msg-1094003
You think I am against the Republican party. There is no clear definition of today's Republican party. You can say I am against conservatives, yet I am conservative in many ways as a matter of fact.
Are all political conservatives both Republicans and TEA Party? The idea that they are is a myth.
I am glad you have no shades of gray about your opinion of me. It tells me you are a man of strong convictions as I am. You no doubt have strong values of your word being good when you give it, as I am. I think we have much in common except for the shades of gray.
The longer the Republican party and TEA party constituents are viewed as one party when there is official documentation that they are two parties, the longer the time will be allowed to dilute the impact of each. Shades of gray are confused for one party unity. So the sooner the line is clearly drawn in the sand between the two parties, the sooner each can make an impact in 2010. You cannot have both parties under the same canopy. It is the perceived reality that you can have both. The TEA party wants the conservative and independent and religious right vote of the republican party while trying to define a new less-moderate right of the republican party, in the republican party. You have a fox in the hen-house and don't care! So these egg suckers are going to rob the Republican party for all it can and leave it for dead.
Yea, I have been a pain in the you-know-what about you-know-who. Why? Because I don't like foxes in the hen-house. And I get called a troll by the lase-fair pseudo conservative,... HA!
When is the republican party going to clean house? Why don't they take action? They don't know what to do to save the party because of the shades of gray. At some point the TEA party is going to run off with the goods because nobody has the kahunas to take a stand. The republican party is being hijacked with an internal coup. As long as there is no call for a clear definition with no shades of gray, the TEA party will make those calls and emerge the new conservative party at the expense of the republican party. So long suckers, time for a new order in politics- but not the order you dreamed about.
How long do you think they will go until they separate? When will the candidates fly their flag?
The republican candidates will be forced to draw the line in the sand and the threats toward them will come from the TEA Party, not the Dem's. In fact, they already have and it is record.
Going Rogue is not about going Republican. The rhetoric is that the liberals are afraid of Sarah Palin when in fact Republican politicians and true GOP members at the top tiers are afraid of her and the state of their future. It is called fear redirection to focus on the Dem's, but that only preserves the myth and maintains shades of gray. Do you know what right wing media supports the myth and which is trying to clarify the shades of gray into black and white? Ask yourself why is this allowed to happen? Where are the watchmen? The TEA party already gave republican politicians and hopefuls a warning to fear their intents: They want alignment and control with no terms of surrender. No concessions. No passage. Listen to the TEA party and who should fear them. Republican politicians are their target!
Nothing worse than being a pawn in someone else's war when there are shades of gray as to who is with you and who is an insurgent for the other side. That is the slippery slope!
I will not force you to choose. The Democrats will not force you to choose. Obama will not force you to choose. Just make sure the choice is yours and not an implant for division delivered in a Bible wrapped flag. Word: Chose wisely.
TEA = TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY. Don't let them try to sell it to you with a more noble ideal.
That is yellow-dog liberalism shades of gray. It is a coup with design. Success will be acquired in the secrecy of the intent and the actions supporting it. That's the way it gets done boys.
You are nothing more than an expendable pawn with wavering conviction until you take a stand. Most conservatives THINK they are taking a stand with fellow republican conservatives and that TEA Party activity is a republican movement. A BIG FAT LIE! Shades of gray are intent and are by design.
The TEA Party is not the Republican party. Both are conservative parties. Are you blind?
If shades of gray continue through 2010, you can expect Obama to be in for two terms.
How many yellow dog liberals do you know would tell you how to win a right-wing seat? Would tell you how not to fail?

Republican party unity is really conservative constituent division.
White is not black.
Purpose: New order from chaos
Result: Enhanced political control with public approval

Thanks for the fun.
Remember you heard it here first.
Regards,
choose
Sj]]> Sunny Jim Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 15:40:50 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093915,1093915#msg-1093915 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093915,1093915#msg-1093915



http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/18/louisiana.katrina.lawsuit/index.html]]> R-n-R Magnolia Springs,Ala Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 15:26:15 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093863,1093863#msg-1093863 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093863,1093863#msg-1093863
Want my cake and eat it too???

Can you imagine the what that trail might have cost.. There probably would have been a few "no show" workers thrown in as well!

Bet you won't hear Obama come down on this one!

Only in America..]]> Jim Vokes NY Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 14:11:39 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093852,1093852#msg-1093852 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093852,1093852#msg-1093852

I just want to let you know, you took away my favorite singer - Michael Jackson.
You took away my favorite actor - Patrick Swayze.
You took away my favorite actress - Farrah Fawcett.


I just wanted to let you know my favorite president is - Obama.:devil:]]> Bayrat76 Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 14:05:09 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093824,1093824#msg-1093824 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093824,1093824#msg-1093824


]]> Jim West Pa Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 16:58:51 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093817,1093817#msg-1093817 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093817,1093817#msg-1093817 Nimrodİ Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 10:22:36 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093797,1093797#msg-1093797 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093797,1093797#msg-1093797How did ya do ?]]> Jim West Pa Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 12:04:33 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093772,1093772#msg-1093772 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093772,1093772#msg-1093772I've been using the Rapula HJ-12 Clown, my father lost my last one on a giant Brown, last week. Nobody local has em. I figured I try a few others, no luck. Decided to try an Alabama tactic using a really small lure, Rapula F-09 two #7 hook Silver classic.............. BAM!!!!!!!!!!! FISH ON!!!!!!!!!
My wife put the fish is on the smoker this am and will be a fine dinner!!!!! :crazy:]]> R-n-R Magnolia Springs,Ala Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 17:01:20 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093769,1093769#msg-1093769 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093769,1093769#msg-1093769See the killer dog on the porch.
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Here's a closer look at,... we'll call her 'clay'.
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Here's the kicker. We talked to them and they said....ready for this ?
"Our associates are not allowed on any property that has dogs so when he comes back out to read your meter he'll first knock on the door and ask permission"
:lmfao:]]> Jim West Pa Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 12:47:08 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093744,1093744#msg-1093744 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093744,1093744#msg-1093744
In a humanitarian gesture, the terrorist was given $50USD and a white 1962 Ford Fairlane automobile upon being released from custody.

The attached photo shows the terrorist on way home after being released by the Navy.

]]> Detector Man Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 14:43:15 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093683,1093683#msg-1093683 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093683,1093683#msg-1093683 Ray-Mo. Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 05:57:43 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093676,1093676#msg-1093676 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093676,1093676#msg-1093676http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/guthrie.asp


Here are his credentials. Click on the link to see the letter he wrote to that Hag from SF>

[attachment 145447 Capture.JPG]]]> Royal Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 09:21:09 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093659,1093659#msg-1093659 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093659,1093659#msg-1093659
You know...if these government findings were about a man's (p)enis, I don't believe that they would be factoring in the "stress and anxiety" of false positives. I believe they would recommend monthly penograms to make sure they didn't lose those things! AND they definately wouldn't recommend stopping self exams!! I'm just saying! LADIES - DON'T CANCEL YOUR MAMMOGRAMS!]]> RM Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 08:30:19 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093657,1093657#msg-1093657 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093657,1093657#msg-1093657
]]> Royal Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 17:03:23 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093635,1093635#msg-1093635 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093635,1093635#msg-1093635
Seems New York, like many states is BROKE! Unlike the Federal Gov., the states cannot just PRINT the money nor borrow it from CHINA!

Are you kidding me?

We are going to spend a great amount of money that we don't have...

- for a show trial for a guy who has already admitted he was guilty?

- to release information that will aid the world's terrorist organizations?

- to put the USA, the Republicans, the CIA and George Bush on trial?

- to allow the terrorist to become the victim in this whole debacle?

Only in America...]]> Jim Vokes NY Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 09:24:11 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093623,1093623#msg-1093623 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093623,1093623#msg-1093623 Jim Vokes NY Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 07:23:17 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093527,1093527#msg-1093527 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093527,1093527#msg-1093527

http://www.break.com/index/fastest-engine-belt-change.html]]> BJ in Okla. Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 08:56:27 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093487,1093487#msg-1093487 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093487,1093487#msg-1093487
1). Her voice, and manner of speaking. OK at first stab, this could be sexist, but it's not. She has a certain "twang" when she speaks, and that might normally be OK, but honestly I find it grating. It has a bit of a "smart- a s s" overtone, to see what I'm talking about, review her speech at the RNC. She's great at the put down, a bit like Ann Coulter in that regard, but again, it is delivered with the "smart-" overtone mentioned previously. This is why I thought (and still do, BTW) that she'd make a great attack-dog VP. We'd have the "first female VP" thing locked up, just as we have the first "black" whatever locked up with Colin, Condi, and so on. A genuine thumb in the eye to the left, which is always a good thing. Some of you might recall my story about Tyrone at work "oh no , he di' nt" from election 2008, if not well there are archive here unless Nim gets reinstated as moderator ( just kidding bro).

2). She is a woman. Yes, this IS sexist. But I have to look at our world-wide adversaries and tell you straight out, that a woman as POTUS is NOT the ideal position. Sure I'd love to put the thumb in the eye of the left and say "yep, we beat you to women in power, blacks in power, and all those things you think you own, but the scorecard, just like golf, tells the real story", but the reality is we are in "competition" for the supreme position on the WORLD stage, and as unfortunate as it may or may not be, having a woman POTUS is not the magical "sword" with which to sublimate our enemies, it's just not, and there is nothing I can do to change that. Sorry (sorta).

3). She ran away from Alaska as fast as her sexy feet could carry her while under what might end up being one tenth?, one hundredth? the pressure of POTUS. It's not like I would expect her to be the first POTUS to resign from pressure, don't get me wrong on that, but it does raise REAL BONAFIDE questions when you can easily see there is "quit" in her. What if congress, left AND right don't want to toe the line she presents, will she seek to become a McCain style "Maverick" and meet somewhere in the middle, and along with that, will all those that saw her as the keeper of the vessel of pure conservatism just give her a break on that, rolling over completely and still sing her praises in the end?

4). She is a lightening rod. We look at what -0-, as the first black POTUS has done, and we all collectively shake our heads the the first black POTUS is such a piker. We could have expected most of his detractors to be race based, but of course he transcended racial barriers, he's not just racist but a Marxist too! So, how does this translate for Sarah? She'll be under at least as much prejudice as the first woman POTUS, are we expected to write off her "transgressions" as nothing more than "attacks on her because she's a woman"? Meaning, do we, as righteous defenders (a male trait like it or not) "help" her along, witnessing things we'd rather not see because "she's a woman, but OUR woman"?

5). The left loathes her. Some might say this is solidly in the "good" column, but surely we all realize that in order to win, not just a "win for our side" but our nation's path, we need to draw from the left AND the middle, and that means we need a solid lock on "our own side" too, something that's not at all cast in stone, but in fact, in very real doubt.

6). She sure has a lot of baggage (real AND invented) to get past the media. Now this HAS to be clear by now, the media elected -0-. They didn't beat up on him even a little bit, in fact they went after the guy that asked a single question of -0- with FAR more focus than they ever placed on -0- himself. How do you beat that? How do you overcome the fact that the media and their leftie fanclub ran Sarah off from her "easy" position as the governor of the most sparsely populated state in the union? Answer? Wow. I just don't know, I honestly don't.

OK, there's more, if I really wanted to, but I figure this is enough to chew on for awhile.

Maybe I'll even post what I like about her, but somebody has to show me, in concrete terms, how we get past what I've already posted. You should know that blind faith, "she energizes the party", "look at what she did for McCain" (which I myself accept), and all the rest, are really null and void at this point, you need to convince me why this woman will be able to circumvent these issues without resorting to platitudes and "one liners" at Cierlast put it.

This is serious stuff guys, if you think she's up to the challenge, tell me how you see her clearing these hurdles.

DAS]]> Varmint! Views ForumFri, 20 Nov 2009 14:45:48 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093482,1093482#msg-1093482 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?20,1093482,1093482#msg-1093482
Two deer hunters were standing on a ridge near a highway in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan on the opening day of deer season.
They both saw a trophy-class buck meandering towards them. As the one hunter raised his gun to shoot, a funeral procession came slowly by. The hunter lowered his gun, took off his hat, and stood with his head bowed until the procession was past. Of course by then, the deer was long gone.
The other hunter exclaimed 'Wow! That was the most sportsmanlike act I've ever seen! You allowed this trophy buck to escape while showing such compassion and kindness toward someone's dearly departed. You are a great humanitarian and a shining example to sportsmen throughout the world!'
The first hunter nodded and said; '...Well, we were married for 42 years'.]]> Detector Man Views ForumThu, 19 Nov 2009 12:45:58 -0600