I guess we can all agree that this relic is the bottom plate to a butt stock to a gun. It's made of brass and is missing a piece . Can any one date ? or tell from what country ? Rev. War ? French and Indian ? Any help will be great . If you feel its something else let us know. Found detecting a cellar hole in New York 20min. S.W. of Albany . Thank-you. Dutchhttp://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1612565#msg-1612565Fri, 24 May 2013 06:03:33 -0500 Phorum 5.2.18 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1854394#msg-1854394 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1854394#msg-1854394 res16ginb Whatzit ForumThu, 07 Feb 2013 10:03:12 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1634156#msg-1634156 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1634156#msg-1634156 zaxfire69 Whatzit ForumMon, 06 Feb 2012 23:04:07 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1634134#msg-1634134 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1634134#msg-1634134(This message does not contain any text.)
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I dug this one today. Very heavy Brass with the screws still attached. Makes u wonder if the rest of the gun is close. I looked, but didn't find anything. Dug next to an antebellum home from 1809.
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They went on to use them up to 1854 when they where disposed of all over the world. Mexico used them as late as 1830s in Texas against the US, and lost! Bringing a flintlock to a repeating gun fight, go figure!

Many where disposed of in Newfoundland and my friends have found several of that shape and design. I am the relic guy for my group and I have researched them. They where sold and used for hunting sea birds and where we found them was a famous spot for hunting eider ducks.

A famous quote concerning the accuracy of the India Pattern was from an officer who said that a man standing 100yds away would have little to fear from a shot from one. They where fairly lethal at 25 to 50 yards but had no rear sight. The front sight was need to attach the bayonet.

HH

1859

Come to think of it, we don't find any gun brass with these guns. Taz's gunis probably be the correct fit for this butt plate. I don't have them nearby and I don't have a picture with me. I don't recall that tang on the 2 we found. So your gun is probably earlier than the "India".]]> 1859large Whatzit ForumTue, 17 Jan 2012 21:10:03 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1615323#msg-1615323 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1615323#msg-1615323 Ant Whatzit ForumMon, 09 Jan 2012 11:03:22 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1613619#msg-1613619 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1613619#msg-1613619


Marine or Militia Pat-tern 1756 and 1759:
   The need for a lower cost musket to arm the Marines and English militia led to the adoption of this arm in 1756. It retained the Brown Bess form, but reduced the barrel to 42" (still in .75 cal.), used a wooden ramrod and economized further by omitting the nose cap, tail pipe and escutcheon. Moreover, the rounded sideplate shape of the Long Land design was now flattened while the prior 6" long brass butt tang was shortened to 3 3/4" and included a distinctive upper screw head.
   In 1759, it was upgraded by replacing the earlier versions wooden ramrod with a steel button-head form and adding a tailpipe, nose cap and lengthened upper pipe.]]> Dutchtoga Whatzit ForumFri, 06 Jan 2012 17:17:27 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1613313#msg-1613313 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1613313#msg-1613313 Dutchtoga Whatzit ForumFri, 06 Jan 2012 07:07:26 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1613233#msg-1613233 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1613233#msg-1613233 taz42o Whatzit ForumThu, 05 Jan 2012 23:55:17 -0600 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1612565#msg-1612565 http://www.findmall.com/read.php?40,1612565,1612565#msg-1612565 Dutchtoga Whatzit ForumWed, 04 Jan 2012 21:55:34 -0600