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Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: December 21, 2011 04:21PM
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earthlypotluck
Wow! drink more coffee! Excellent post! lol I do not own an Explorer but have been researching for a possible second detector. I currently own a Sov GT and was intrigued by the topic at hand. Like cintitomcat mentions in his post, the same thing happens with my Sov GT with signals. For me the percentage rate is higher in locating my finds (98%) recovery rate when opening up a hole. That 2% are iffy signals to begin with and can't locate them. Then due to the size of the hole growing ( in trying to locate the item), I stop. (especially in well manicured lawns) Like the Explorer, the Sov GT hates open holes as well. Your experience, use and thoughts on the Sunray probe kind of opened my "eyes" a little wider into thinking I should invest into one. I sometimes wondered if I was burying coins back up ( due to the air problem between the coil and target(s) ) You finding several additional coins with the sunray probe has really got me thinking.....Maybe I have covered coins back up after pulling out the initial object. I most certainly re-scan after pulling the item out but like you mention - once that hole is opened up maybe that detector coil is not close enough to "see" if there are other items in the hole. I think I know what I have to do this Christmas lol - buy myself a pinpointer. Thanks again for posting - Jim aka earthlypotluck

I once got a solid IH signal about 5-6 inches. Dug a plug, found a nice 1887 IH stuck to the bottom of the plug. Checked the hole with my probe and thought I heard a muffled something but with the iron and rotten soil it could have been nothing. So I stood up and check the hole with the big coil, nada, solid threshold. Took a knee to close up the hole but decided to check with the probe one more time, yep there's a muffled something down there. Dug another 4 inch plug deeper and stuck to the bottom of that another 1887 IH and...a seated dime stuck to each other! That shows you how much the Explorer hates an air gap with soil below it. Made an X1 believer out of me. Being an idiot sometimes, others had to tell me about 50 times to buy an X1 before I relented and purchased one, best damn Explorer accessory ever IMO.

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IF you want the X-1 to ID while being in all metal then YES...and let me tell you...
Posted by: Bryce-IL
Date: December 21, 2011 05:36PM
it is an invaluable tool when you are in iron infested sites!...AND what the probe sees...YOU see on the screen whether it be cursor flutter/placement or "flashing numbers"

After I get a plug out on an iffy/iron type hit...I then run the probe in the normal detector mode.

If the probe nulls...I walk. If it sings though I will then put it in the pinpoint mode to get the added benefit of all metal ID as well as hone perfectly in on exactly where the target is. I have saved myself from scratching many good silver soins over the years utilizing the X-1.

IMHO the X-1 inline probe is the best invention for metal detecting since the detector itself.

It saves hours of hunt time from chasing deep iron and nails. You can tell instantly whether it's a target worth "chasing" or iron/nails because the probe will null in conductive sounds/iron mask if it's iron.



Here's the link to my field test post containing over 60 different hunts of various coil tests...field tests published in Western & Eastern Treasures Magazine...comparisons...nicer finds...etc..:
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1055627,1055627#msg-1055627

Been swingin' the coil since 1972

Started out in 1972 with a Jetco Detector...then the late 70's with a Whites 6000:whites:....then in 1981 went to a Bounty Hunter VLF TR 840:bounty:

Then in the early 1980's I went to a Whites 6000 Di Pro:whites:...mid 80's I went to a Whites Eagle II SL:whites:...Late 80's/Early 90's I went to the Whites XLT:whites:

1990's I used the Fisher CZ5, CZ6, CZ7, 7aPro, and CZ70Pro (still have)...and am currently doing some water hunting with my CZ-21:fisher:...

Started using Minelabs in 1999:minelab:

with a brief stint on the Musketeer while also using the CZ's...then in 2002 I switched to the Minelab Explorers and currently use the Explorer SE Pro as my main machine. I also use the Explorer 2 and E-trac often... and have a CTX3030 I use as a backup:minelab: Might also mention I have an arsenal of coils for the Explorers:thumbup:


"Metal detecting is an escape for me and allows me to find some much needed peace and solace.
Being able to clear my head...even if only for that short while...is much more meaningful than any amount of finds that end up in my pouch"
:angel: "Quote ME"

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Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: earthlypotluck
Date: December 21, 2011 06:27PM
Thanks Charles for your success story. You have sold me on the importance of a pinpointer. You didn't write as much as in your other post lol you better get a refill on the coffee. Thanks again for your help - Jim


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Charles (Upstate NY)
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earthlypotluck
Wow! drink more coffee! Excellent post! lol I do not own an Explorer but have been researching for a possible second detector. I currently own a Sov GT and was intrigued by the topic at hand. Like cintitomcat mentions in his post, the same thing happens with my Sov GT with signals. For me the percentage rate is higher in locating my finds (98%) recovery rate when opening up a hole. That 2% are iffy signals to begin with and can't locate them. Then due to the size of the hole growing ( in trying to locate the item), I stop. (especially in well manicured lawns) Like the Explorer, the Sov GT hates open holes as well. Your experience, use and thoughts on the Sunray probe kind of opened my "eyes" a little wider into thinking I should invest into one. I sometimes wondered if I was burying coins back up ( due to the air problem between the coil and target(s) ) You finding several additional coins with the sunray probe has really got me thinking.....Maybe I have covered coins back up after pulling out the initial object. I most certainly re-scan after pulling the item out but like you mention - once that hole is opened up maybe that detector coil is not close enough to "see" if there are other items in the hole. I think I know what I have to do this Christmas lol - buy myself a pinpointer. Thanks again for posting - Jim aka earthlypotluck

I once got a solid IH signal about 5-6 inches. Dug a plug, found a nice 1887 IH stuck to the bottom of the plug. Checked the hole with my probe and thought I heard a muffled something but with the iron and rotten soil it could have been nothing. So I stood up and check the hole with the big coil, nada, solid threshold. Took a knee to close up the hole but decided to check with the probe one more time, yep there's a muffled something down there. Dug another 4 inch plug deeper and stuck to the bottom of that another 1887 IH and...a seated dime stuck to each other! That shows you how much the Explorer hates an air gap with soil below it. Made an X1 believer out of me. Being an idiot sometimes, others had to tell me about 50 times to buy an X1 before I relented and purchased one, best damn Explorer accessory ever IMO.


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A couple more thoughts...
Posted by: Big Fang Coin Biter
Date: December 22, 2011 06:09AM
I didn't read every response, so forgive me if someone already mentioned this.
First, you have to consider that sometimes you have a tiny conductive target. If you dig a deep plug, turn it over and scan it, you may not hear the tiny target that was only 2" from the surface (now 5" down). Assuming it is in the hole you can never find the target.

Second, I have noticed that on real deep coins a lot of times, I will get a tiny null sound on either side of the goody. It is like this with a tiny 6" sweep: null-high tone-null. Not sure why the machine does this. I am thinking that the coin is so close to being out of range that when the signal weakens it is interpreted as iron.

HH - BF

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Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 22, 2011 12:04PM
Agreed, Charles, switching to pinpoint mode with the X-1 does help narrow things down, from the regular "search mode" use of the probe. I still don't have the "feel" for it though, yet, that I do with my pro-pointer. Maybe I'm a slow learner! :)

I am interested, though, in Big Fang's allusion to a "new, smaller (lighter?) X-1." I was unaware there WERE newer, smaller ones available...

Steve



Minelab Explorer SE Pro, Fisher Gold Bug Pro (DP)
Garrett ProPointer
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: ExpIInut
Date: December 29, 2011 09:32AM
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McDave
The ProPointer won't give you a target ID when you are searching the hole. The X-1 does. It can mean the difference between continuing to dig and finding a rusty nail and not.

Question - why are you digging a hole that your expecting to find a rusty nail in?

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Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: BHMACK
Date: December 29, 2011 05:22PM
The toughest and often the most rewarding coins to pull are in nail beds.



BOBBY
SHORT MOUNTAIN, TN

MINELAB EXPLORER SE PRO - FISHER F75 SE - XP DEUS

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Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: January 02, 2012 08:32PM
good point...

Steve



Minelab Explorer SE Pro, Fisher Gold Bug Pro (DP)
Garrett ProPointer
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

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Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: deeponedge
Date: January 07, 2012 09:19PM
Informative post. Thanks guys.



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Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: silverfix
Date: January 08, 2012 04:07AM
Interesting thread. I use mine often.

Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: November 21, 2015 09:33PM
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Charles (Upstate NY)
First I recommend you go over to Demarco Detector Sales and equip yourself with a Sunray X1 probe, IMO these are manditory when hunting with an Explorer in the dirt. As they are pretty much just a 1 inch coil for your Explorer the probe has all the features your Explorer has, tone ID, pinpointing, etc and depth is a good 3 inches. If nothing else you will be less hesitant to dig a deep iffy knowing when you go in with the probe it will quickly tell you whether to continue digging or close up the hole and move on quickly to the next target. Target recovery is much faster. If its 95 freaking degrees and humid spending less time hunched over digging is a bonus. Because the X1 probe has such good depth and tone ID it will also help you recover more coins in holes where there are multiple coins. One problem with the Explorer is, once you open up the hole and there's air between the coil and the targets vs ground it loses depth. I can't tell you how many times I have dug a hole, recovered a coin, I 'think' I hear something else in the hole with the probe, check the hole with the big coil nothing...but the probe says give it a shot, dig a little deeper and 1 or 2 or in one case 7 more coins that were just progressively deeper into the hole. I NEVER use pinpoint mode with the stock coil, useless to me BUT I often use pinpoint mode with the probe. One problem with probes is once you open up the hole and you go in with the probe sometimes you get too close to the target, its screaming in your headphones but you can't pinpoint it because it seems like its everywhere, switch to pinpoint mode and the probe will put you right on top of it. Don't do what I did, I scoffed at the probe at first, I don't need no stinking probe bah, then I started digging deep holes after I learned the machine and what a nightmare. I was either chasing a nail poking into the hole sidways or I'd finally recover a nice silver coin AFTER I carved a big gouge into it with my digger. I finally purchased the probe and then kicked myself for waiting so long. The Sunray X1 probe ladies and gentlemen, my favorite accessory.

Now as for these signals that come and go, for newer users this tip will save you a lot of headache. The Explorer will pick up signals off to the sides/front,rear of your coil and if you don't have the coil centered over your target the depth of the target will also be way off, the depth meter is only accurate when you are centered over the target, if the target is off to one side the machine will report the target as being much deeper than it really is. Shallow clad is nortorious for this, the Explorer is pretty hot it can pick up shallow targets well outside the diameter of the coil. SO here's the tip, when you think you have found a target of interest, check the surounding area with your coil, I generally check a coil size area around my target so maybe an area 30 inches in diameter. I want to know what else is in the vicinity of my target because nearby targets can pull my pinpoint off center, a nearby target may be trying to mask my target, or my target may in fact be one of those nearby targets and I'm just not centered over it. This is especially important in an area of rusty nails, rusty nails throw a signal off sideways along the length of the nail, they can project a signal quite some distance and if you are picking up this signal off the side/front of your coil it often will be a high tone iron falsing signal trying to fake you out that its a coin. Often once you get centered over the nail it then ID's properly as a nail, even so there are some stuborn nails that false even when you are centered over them. The trick with them is turn 90 degrees and sweep the target again, did it go low like a nail? Yep its a nail. Another good trick for sniffing out rusty nails falsing is to watch where the cursor on the screen is hitting (smartfind or iron mask mode not digital). Rusty nails falsing are very reliable in this regard. They ID on the screen in two locations, top/left corner where they are supposed to ID, and far right edge of the screen, cursor half off the right edge of the sceen, cursor down from the top about in the silver half dollar area. As you sweep you will see the cursor bounce between those two locations, this is a classic bounce pattern, you may have heard some old timers talk about bounce patterns this is one I look for because its so reliable for properly ID'ing iron fasling.

Okay wow that's a lot of typing, I may have over did it on the coffee this morning.

In my cold weather down time I'm reading some older stuff and Charles,you have again given up some GREAT advice. If only you lived closer...thanks for taking the time to have posted all this great info that either you've learned in the field or have gotten from others. It's quite a bit of effort for which we can all say....THANKS!!!

Re: DIGGING DEEP TARGETS
Posted by: braveheart1954
Date: August 05, 2016 05:58PM
Have to know your exact settings, type of swing..level..too fast..to high off the ground, soil conditions, wet or dry ground, coil your using and age of it, hmmm... headphones your using, is your hearing good, hunting in ferrous?,electrical interferences, most of all if your doing everything right there may be no good items at those depths and you are at the very max the detector will finds items in perfect conditions!!! Why are you looking for coins from back in the stoneage anyways?



JOHN HARVEY

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