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Re: Explorer SE nulling
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: June 23, 2017 10:24PM
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Tony N (Michigan)
I thought the regular SE that I had was rather good. Maybe there were some bad coils and some good ones?

I returned the first two machines due to bad coils and whacko electronics. I demanded a much later serial number SE and that one ran fine, but the coil was still lame. I remember guys posting pictures of their slimline coils with wires poking out the bottom.
What did the wacko electronics do?

The screen would go BOING and jog down about an inch, the bottom inch of the display jumped to the top of the screen. But even when it 'appeared' to be working properly I know how Explorers perform, it wasn't. The 3rd unit with a later serial number ran fine.

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Serial numbered Explorers
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 24, 2017 04:22AM
The best way for Kapok to tell is to use his on a coin garden. Of course Minelabs don't like recently disturbed soil.
The SE I sold Kapok never once gave me any problems. Maybe it is a later serial number? The coil also seemed
to not give me any problems either. How can you know which serial numbers are early and which are later?

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Re: Serial numbered Explorers
Posted by: Kapok
Date: June 24, 2017 07:38AM
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Tony N (Michigan)
The best way for Kapok to tell is to use his on a coin garden. Of course Minelabs don't like recently disturbed soil.
The SE I sold Kapok never once gave me any problems. Maybe it is a later serial number? The coil also seemed
to not give me any problems either. How can you know which serial numbers are early and which are later?
Tony, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with it, maybe the Pro coil will just be smoother in my particularly difficult soil.



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Re: Explorer SE nulling
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: June 24, 2017 09:36AM
Kapok did you try that site again in all metal to see if it was targets causing the nulls or soil?

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Pro coil vs. Detech 13" Ultimate coil
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 24, 2017 02:35PM
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Kapok
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Tony N (Michigan)
The best way for Kapok to tell is to use his on a coin garden. Of course Minelabs don't like recently disturbed soil.
The SE I sold Kapok never once gave me any problems. Maybe it is a later serial number? The coil also seemed
to not give me any problems either. How can you know which serial numbers are early and which are later?
Tony, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with it, maybe the Pro coil will just be smoother in my particularly difficult soil.

If you are going to spend money on a pro coil, might I suggest you instead get the Detech Ultimate 13" coil? I got one and put it through its paces this morning.
The bad boy is light, covers a lot of ground and I got several coins in trash with it. I could hear the coins in the trash then walk 360 degrees around it poking the tip
of the coil in and swinging just little back and forth trying to get the coin to pop out.
I couldn't be happier with mine. I thought the Pro coil was good but this Detech coil is gooder :crazy:. I could also run the sensitivity up to 28 to 29 and it was still stable!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/24/2017 02:37PM by Tony N (Michigan).

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Re: Explorer SE nulling
Posted by: Kapok
Date: June 24, 2017 04:21PM
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Kapok did you try that site again in all metal to see if it was targets causing the nulls or soil?

Well, here's what I'm up against. The first photo shows what the ground looks like at this park. The second shows what's underneath in a lot of places--just big patches of old, crumbling iron. Sometimes there's not much solid material left, just clumps of rusty sand. That's where the detector nulls. It's a wonder I've ever found anything here at all, but we've pulled a few Barbers, Mercs, and old wheat cents. Gotta find somewhere easier.



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Gotta find somewhere easier?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 24, 2017 08:44PM
Actually that place is the best place to look because everyone gives up there just like you want to.
If I were there I'd go low and slow and just pick out the high sounding hits in the midst of the iron low tones.
But that's just me.

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Also, in a place like that
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 25, 2017 06:43AM
I would use just enough Iron Mask to keep the heavy iron from constantly thumping in my ears.

Re: Also, in a place like that
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: June 25, 2017 09:34AM
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I would use just enough Iron Mask to keep the heavy iron from constantly thumping in my ears.

I would go there when the soil is bone dry, bone dry soil shuts iron up e.g. makes it much smaller you can get in close to it. I'd use an 8 inch coil Explorers go DEEP in sand, crank the sensitivity, grip it and rip it. One of my Barber half dollars was sitting next to a 2 inch chunk of iron hiding for years in a spot that has been pounded.

Re: Also, in a place like that
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: June 25, 2017 12:37PM
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Tony N (Michigan)
I would use just enough Iron Mask to keep the heavy iron from constantly thumping in my ears.

I would go there when the soil is bone dry, bone dry soil shuts iron up e.g. makes it much smaller you can get in close to it. I'd use an 8 inch coil Explorers go DEEP in sand, crank the sensitivity, grip it and rip it. One of my Barber half dollars was sitting next to a 2 inch chunk of iron hiding for years in a spot that has been pounded.

It's amazing how deep the X-8 will get in many places. Absolutely the favorite coil I own out of EVERYTHING. Best balanced too,IMO.

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Re: Also, in a place like that
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 25, 2017 03:25PM
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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Tony N (Michigan)
I would use just enough Iron Mask to keep the heavy iron from constantly thumping in my ears.

I would go there when the soil is bone dry, bone dry soil shuts iron up e.g. makes it much smaller you can get in close to it. I'd use an 8 inch coil Explorers go DEEP in sand, crank the sensitivity, grip it and rip it. One of my Barber half dollars was sitting next to a 2 inch chunk of iron hiding for years in a spot that has been pounded.

It's amazing how deep the X-8 will get in many places. Absolutely the favorite coil I own out of EVERYTHING. Best balanced too,IMO.

I have used the Minelab 8" coil. You'd think being a smaller coil it would be lighter than the stock coil but it isn't. But, yea, it's great for tight spaces.

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TID lag
Posted by: Kapok
Date: June 25, 2017 08:59PM
I've also noticed that I have to wait until after sweeping a signal for the cursor or the ID numbers to update. It doesn't move or change while I'm over the target. I have to stop my swing and wait for a second before it changes. Is this normal? It seems like an awfully slow way to hunt.



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Re: TID lag
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 25, 2017 09:14PM
I have the same thing happen to my Explorer XS and SE Pro at times. It could be there is either too much disced out or it could
be just trying to figure out all the stuff that's down there in the soil. It doesn't happen all the time. When it does, I sometimes just life the coil
and let it reset or I do the Minelab wiggle where you just wiggle the coil a teeny amount left and right.
I don't know what else could do it unless it's some sort of electrical interference. Charles NY might know.

Re: Explorer SE nulling
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: June 25, 2017 10:03PM
The audio circuit is the most instant and accurate,the screen is a separate circuit and has to do some "thinking" about what it wants to display. Hence the delay in the display...the way I understand it.

Re: TID lag
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: June 25, 2017 10:36PM
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I've also noticed that I have to wait until after sweeping a signal for the cursor or the ID numbers to update. It doesn't move or change while I'm over the target. I have to stop my swing and wait for a second before it changes. Is this normal? It seems like an awfully slow way to hunt.

That's normal, in short order you will hunt by tones so no need to look at the screen at all until you 'hear' a target of interest. You will hear 'that' tone, say fluty silver, big silver, Indian cent, all are distinct THEN when you have a fish on you work the target and go to the screen for confirmation. Shorten your swings over the target to 2-4 inches wide, try to let the Explorer latch on to 'that' tone. Give it 3-4 quick short sweeps then stop the coil off target, let it sit motionless while the Explorer works its magic on all the target info you just fed it and position the cursor.

On more iffy targets co-located nail/coin, trash/coin, nail/trash/coin, you may feed the Explorer several times watching the cursor bounce patterns. You may circle the target looking for a better angle where it latches onto the coin better. You should check a coil size area around the target for other nearby iron and trash that may be interfering. On the worst of these its okay to dig the shallow trash out of your way. When I started I thought I wanted to go deep, that going deeper would produce more finds, finds so deep other detectors couldn't reach them. And there are some deep targets out there. But I found there are far more targets that are not that deep, they are just hiding near rusty nails and trash, the Explorer is legend for getting a piece of those good targets hiding in the shadow of iron and trash. For years just when I thought I dug the worse most horrible signal I ever heard and found a good coin, I'd find one even more horrible lol. Which is a good thing, there are many levels to achieve in mastering the detector so the finds just keep coming.

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