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Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 18, 2017 03:43PM
I just sold one of my high end machines freeing up plenty of cash for the Impact should one of the Testers that received a test machine perform and post the test i described. If none are interested Nokta i would make you a deal that if your machine can pass my simple test i will pay 100 dollars more than your dealers are asking for the machine, if it does not pass i would also pay shipping costs to send one back to where ever it was shipped to me from.

It is a very simple test,,, take a container(plastic of course) like you would buy from Walmart called a storage container and put clean dirt in it. Bury a silver quarter say 4 inches deep, fill up the hole 2 inches, then place one rusty nail at least 3 inches long, at both edges of the quarter 180 degrees from other, then fill the hole in.
All i need to see is if the detector will grunt on the nails and give a non iron tone on the quarter in the same pass. TID does not have to be perfect for the quarter. A video clip would be sufficient. Thanks in advance if any testers decide to perform the test or If Nokta would take me up on my offer.

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Beyonder
Date: April 18, 2017 05:45PM
What you are looking for is called separation. There are a few machines out there that can pass this test. When I get my Impact, I will post a video.

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: April 18, 2017 06:10PM
I saw your test question yesterday, not sure if the Impact can pass it but the Rutus Alter 71 does it easy with the 9" coil.:jump:

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 18, 2017 09:51PM
I have heard a lot about this rutus 71, Been thinking about it.

Beyonder thanks I really do appreciate it!!!

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Low-Boy/LCPM
Date: April 19, 2017 10:47AM
That may be a nice test but how many times does that happen in the real world...Also the dirt in the container once disturbed changes..The only real way is to have test garden that has not been dug for at least a year..even if the impact doesn't past your test I'm sure there are other things that happen in the dirt that it would pass and maybe your top machines won't. One detector can't do everything but the impact has a lot of was to change settings and has some nice programs...best of luck



LowBoy {RACER /DEUS}

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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: April 19, 2017 12:52PM
If it don't do it out of the dirt, it won't do it in it.

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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Cal_Cobra
Date: April 19, 2017 02:15PM
For $50 I'll run your test on my Impact....see I saved you $50 :cheers:

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 19, 2017 02:24PM
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hairymonsterman
If it don't do it out of the dirt, it won't do it in it.

That is exactly what i thought but i found out differently when i performed both tests. I took 2x4 blocks and scooted them up to the edge of a silver quarter then placed two rusty nails from my digs on top of folded cardboard till nails were approx 2.5 inches above quarter and scooted the heads of nails right to the edge of the boards which were touching the quarter edges. Then i took some of my soil with a shovel and put in a container from walmart , checked in all metal for any signal at all. With the container on top of a pvc platform i made so it is off the ground. Then i dug a hole and put the quarter at 4 inches, then i came up 2 inches and pushed the two rusty nails sideways into the soil until the heads were even with both edges of quarter , 180 degrees from each other. Then put just a bit of soil on top of nails so that they were barely covered with some soil.

I have 3 $400 dollar machines that pass with ease, one that squeaks by, and one high end that is supreme over all of the ones that passed. All other machines i have tried failed. Actually in air most failed , but in the dirt i did get far superior results... was i impressed,,,, dang right i was!

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: April 19, 2017 02:55PM
I'd say it's mostly down to matching coil to the conditions, plenty of good and fast cheap detectors about that would cover most scenarios with the right coil.

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: dbado1
Date: April 19, 2017 03:24PM
Trashfinder,

Do you run in to this particular scenario in the field a lot? I'm sure certain machines can pass your test but suck at other things and visa-versa. What if the Impact (or any other machine) can pass your test but sucks at everything else? Do you buy it anyway? Seems like a strange way to determine whether or not you are going to buy a machine IMO. Good luck.

Dean

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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: amberjack
Date: April 19, 2017 04:08PM
no stranger than a nail board test and that's all they are are tests they prove nothing to me what proves it for me is wild hunting and if a detector finds stuff I keep it if its not an upgrade for what I want it for it goes...

couple on my list will be going soon...

AJ

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 19, 2017 06:13PM
No it is not a test i do to decide whether to buy a detector or not. It is a test i do to see how good a machine can separate in conditions i hunt in. And yes i do encounter conditions where good targets are below lots of nails. Example lets take a house built around 1900 and i am hunting it today. Lets say the average roof lasted 15 years, that would mean a new roof was applied 7.8 times until the present. Now lets say that only every other time they completely strip the roof and put shingles back on the wood, that would be close to 4 times that hundreds of nails hit the ground all around the house. Anything lost between those roofing jobs would be in between layers of nails. Not to mention if a house had been on the particular lot prior to 1900 and was torn down. If you run a detector in most places i hunt and have not discriminated out iron, it sounds like a machine gun firing as you sweep the coil. Or run with iron audio on and no disc.

As amberjack says , if a detector is not an upgrade over what i have , no need to buy it ...... I do think the Impact might have potential from what i have seen and heard, but all my machines that cannot pass this separation test are going. Just sold today what might be considered by the metal detecting community the best machine there is shipped out today and sold two coils that went with it to other people. Have owned 3 Nokta/Makro machines and still own one.

I promise you if it can pass my test , it will not suck at everything else lol!

And i do have a Test bed where i have a dime at 7 inches with a nail above it, off to the side about at inch, this has been in the ground for over 2 years and no machine i have ever owned will find the dime. I think the reason is because in my soil, 8 inches is about the limitation of finding a dime with no masking, i simply made it too hard. Now i have the test i described with two nails and the silver quarter , with the quarter at 4 inches. Very detectable by most 150 dollar machines.

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Dave_E
Date: April 19, 2017 07:00PM
Trashfinder, are you testing with only concentric coils?

Why not name the machines and coils that both passed and failed your test?

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 19, 2017 08:23PM
No, not just concentric coils. The reason i do not list is because this is Nokta's forum and i am not trying to convince others to buy a machine or not too. I am interested in the Impact and am considering buying it. I am not a tester for any brand and have never received a machine for testing. I have spent over $25,000 buying and selling and testing detectors over the last few years for my own benefit and knowledge. Besides the new machines like Impact and others that are anticipated later this year i have owned about all of them. Since Nokta had so many testers with test machines why not have one of them perform the test and save me 900 dollars and then having to sell another used machine? Makes good sense to me, at least money wise.

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Dave_E
Date: April 20, 2017 10:03AM
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Trashfinder
No, not just concentric coils. The reason i do not list is because this is Nokta's forum and i am not trying to convince others to buy a machine or not too. I am interested in the Impact and am considering buying it. I am not a tester for any brand and have never received a machine for testing. I have spent over $25,000 buying and selling and testing detectors over the last few years for my own benefit and knowledge. Besides the new machines like Impact and others that are anticipated later this year i have owned about all of them. Since Nokta had so many testers with test machines why not have one of them perform the test and save me 900 dollars and then having to sell another used machine? Makes good sense to me, at least money wise.

I'm not sure about others, but it doesn't really make sense to me.

If you are being honest and truly have spent over $25,000 buying/testing/reselling detectors over the last couple years, why wouldn't you buy, test, resell (if needed) the Impact for a mere $850?

If you think it's sub par you can simply sell it. You've stated you've resold many other machines in the past, so that's not an issue for you.

Then post videos of all of the tests you personally performed on it.

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