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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: dbado1
Date: April 20, 2017 04:40PM
It's all good. To each their own. I'm with AJ on this one and with you as well TF. I buy them and give them a go in my ground and my sites. If the machine and I mesh well I keep them around. If not, down the road they go. Some do things better than others... All have their strengths. The biggest thing, as I said, is if the machine and I get along or not. I have two Nokta machines...Soon to be three with the coming of the Impact next week.....I get along with them. They work well in my conditions and with my brain patterns if that makes any sense. I could not get along with the G2+ for example. I didn't mesh with it for some reason. A lot of guys really like it and it works for them. So, as AJ said, I don't care about any tests... I have to swing it and see if we get along or not. It's like dating.
I believe we are all going to miss stuff due to colocated iron or whatever.... Regardless of the machine. That's just the way it is. That's why a site is truly never hunted out. But it's fun as hell trying different machines as they come out if for no other reason than we can. F the tests.

Dean



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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: NCtoad
Date: April 20, 2017 05:48PM
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No it is not a test i do to decide whether to buy a detector or not. It is a test i do to see how good a machine can separate in conditions i hunt in. And yes i do encounter conditions where good targets are below lots of nails. Example lets take a house built around 1900 and i am hunting it today. Lets say the average roof lasted 15 years, that would mean a new roof was applied 7.8 times until the present. Now lets say that only every other time they completely strip the roof and put shingles back on the wood, that would be close to 4 times that hundreds of nails hit the ground all around the house. Anything lost between those roofing jobs would be in between layers of nails. Not to mention if a house had been on the particular lot prior to 1900 and was torn down. If you run a detector in most places i hunt and have not discriminated out iron, it sounds like a machine gun firing as you sweep the coil. Or run with iron audio on and no disc.

As amberjack says , if a detector is not an upgrade over what i have , no need to buy it ...... I do think the Impact might have potential from what i have seen and heard, but all my machines that cannot pass this separation test are going. Just sold today what might be considered by the metal detecting community the best machine there is shipped out today and sold two coils that went with it to other people. Have owned 3 Nokta/Makro machines and still own one.

I promise you if it can pass my test , it will not suck at everything else lol!

And i do have a Test bed where i have a dime at 7 inches with a nail above it, off to the side about at inch, this has been in the ground for over 2 years and no machine i have ever owned will find the dime. I think the reason is because in my soil, 8 inches is about the limitation of finding a dime with no masking, i simply made it too hard. Now i have the test i described with two nails and the silver quarter , with the quarter at 4 inches. Very detectable by most 150 dollar machines.

I was at a site like this today with my Fisher F70. I don't disc out iron as I like hear what's going on in the ground, but like you said, it sounds like a machine gun going off. I don't know if I'm missing anything or not, but found two wheaties in among the iron. I would like to know the three $400 machines that pass this test...maybe you can PM me. I do know my F70 will pass a similar test in the air. I can put a 2x4 on the ground, set a silver quarter on it and then put two small pieces of 2x4 on either side of the quarter with a rusty nail on the top of the edge of them. So, two rusty nails 1.5" above the quarter on wither side less than an inch away laterally. Never tried it in the ground or directly above the quarter. I wonder if any machine will pick up the quarter if two rusty nails are directly above it with, say, 2" of soil in between?

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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Cal_Cobra
Date: April 20, 2017 07:08PM
This is where adjustable iron audio is a huge benefit, as well as adjustable tone break.

I've found the Racer2, especially for the inexpensive entry point, is a great machine for hunting sea of nail/iron infested sites. I don't disc anything, but having the ability to lower the volume on the iron so the non-ferrous targets stand out has increased my keepers quite a bit over my F75. Don't get me wrong, the F75 is darn good machine, but my Racer just does such a better job at these sites. I think the Impact with take it to the next level with multiple frequencies to choose from and the additional search modes. I'll be putting it to the test on an end of the month detecting trip to some familiar, and some not so familiar haunts, one is particularly challenging as not only is it full of iron, but you also have heavy alkali soil conditions to deal with. Both my Racer2 and F75 were severely challenged by this obstacle, which I hope the Impact will overcome.

hh,
Brian



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Trashfinder
No it is not a test i do to decide whether to buy a detector or not. It is a test i do to see how good a machine can separate in conditions i hunt in. And yes i do encounter conditions where good targets are below lots of nails. Example lets take a house built around 1900 and i am hunting it today. Lets say the average roof lasted 15 years, that would mean a new roof was applied 7.8 times until the present. Now lets say that only every other time they completely strip the roof and put shingles back on the wood, that would be close to 4 times that hundreds of nails hit the ground all around the house. Anything lost between those roofing jobs would be in between layers of nails. Not to mention if a house had been on the particular lot prior to 1900 and was torn down. If you run a detector in most places i hunt and have not discriminated out iron, it sounds like a machine gun firing as you sweep the coil. Or run with iron audio on and no disc.

As amberjack says , if a detector is not an upgrade over what i have , no need to buy it ...... I do think the Impact might have potential from what i have seen and heard, but all my machines that cannot pass this separation test are going. Just sold today what might be considered by the metal detecting community the best machine there is shipped out today and sold two coils that went with it to other people. Have owned 3 Nokta/Makro machines and still own one.

I promise you if it can pass my test , it will not suck at everything else lol!

And i do have a Test bed where i have a dime at 7 inches with a nail above it, off to the side about at inch, this has been in the ground for over 2 years and no machine i have ever owned will find the dime. I think the reason is because in my soil, 8 inches is about the limitation of finding a dime with no masking, i simply made it too hard. Now i have the test i described with two nails and the silver quarter , with the quarter at 4 inches. Very detectable by most 150 dollar machines.

I was at a site like this today with my Fisher F70. I don't disc out iron as I like hear what's going on in the ground, but like you said, it sounds like a machine gun going off. I don't know if I'm missing anything or not, but found two wheaties in among the iron. I would like to know the three $400 machines that pass this test...maybe you can PM me. I do know my F70 will pass a similar test in the air. I can put a 2x4 on the ground, set a silver quarter on it and then put two small pieces of 2x4 on either side of the quarter with a rusty nail on the top of the edge of them. So, two rusty nails 1.5" above the quarter on wither side less than an inch away laterally. Never tried it in the ground or directly above the quarter. I wonder if any machine will pick up the quarter if two rusty nails are directly above it with, say, 2" of soil in between?


Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 21, 2017 10:58AM
I can make some videos but i do not think it is really appropriate to post them here in the Nokta forum. Yes i have spent that much and the point is why spend 999, when i now have one high end detector and 3 mid priced detectors that will do what i need. There could be other nice features that i could use with the Impact but i do not need it if it will not perform as well or better than what i have already determined to work. Also with so many testers out there with machines why wont they perform the test? I had to buy other manufactures because unlike Nokta they did not put lots of machines out for public testing. It really is not a hard concept to grasp of why i am asking testers who have the machines out there to test them? Testers = testing? or maybe not?

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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: amberjack
Date: April 21, 2017 11:07AM
doesn't look like your going to get much joy does it :sadwalk: you know what you need and that's all that matters in my book, the problem is getting someone else to do something for us that benefits them zero , but you never know there might be some kind soul out there stranger things have happened :biggrin:

I cant help I don't have one...

AJ

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: dbado1
Date: April 21, 2017 02:15PM
TS,
No offense intended...The reason nobody has done it is because your test( apparently) only matters to you. Not to them or anybody else thus far. I'm sure, as the Impact gets out in to owners hands, that somebody will do it. HH.

Dean

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: April 21, 2017 03:19PM
Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 21, 2017 03:28PM
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https://youtu.be/onWfB02C4Rc
Here you go!

Very Nice!!! And thank you for your time and effort! I like what i see. In other aspects how do you like the machine?

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: April 21, 2017 03:52PM
Sorry mate, this is my Rutus Alter 71 lol
But i'm sure the Impact with the slimmer 11"x7" coil will hit it no bother, mine runs the 11" round.

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https://youtu.be/onWfB02C4Rc
Here you go!

Very Nice!!! And thank you for your time and effort! I like what i see. In other aspects how do you like the machine?


Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 21, 2017 06:43PM
I knew it was the Rutus had heard they were urging peeps to wait two weeks for the lastest software update before buying the Rutus, in the meantime was wondering about the impact. From what i have seen about the Rutus i thought it would do well in a separation test. But since i have been considering the Rutus as well i do appreciate you doing a vid of it. Now to see the Impact in action lol,,,, or maybe not. When i asked about the other aspects of the machine i mean the menus , is it user friendly, etc. etc. etc.

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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: amberjack
Date: April 21, 2017 06:59PM
prob just wait a few weeks there will be those that sell off as they don't want to learn the detector pick one up cheaper..

AJ

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: April 21, 2017 07:15PM
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prob just wait a few weeks there will be those that sell off as they don't want to learn the detector pick one up cheaper..

AJ

I do that quite a bit , will be watching for those opportunities.

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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: amberjack
Date: April 21, 2017 07:19PM
less downside if you want to resell. :biggrin:


AJ

Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: April 22, 2017 01:46AM
Menu wise, there's nothing hard to understand about the Rutus, GB is done by pumping the coil.
One of it's biggest assets for myself is the ability to change reactivity on the fly.
Say if i'm on a quiet spot and i'm running reactivity 'low and slow' for depth, with one press of a button i can turn up the reactivity to 'fast and furious' when i hit the trash/iron areas, and i can keep the rest of my settings 'as is', instead of having to mess about scrolling through pre-set modes to find a suitable one.
I also like the masking option where i can take most of the false high tone away that you get off the edge of iron, the Racer2 really peeved me off doing that!

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Trashfinder
I knew it was the Rutus had heard they were urging peeps to wait two weeks for the lastest software update before buying the Rutus, in the meantime was wondering about the impact. From what i have seen about the Rutus i thought it would do well in a separation test. But since i have been considering the Rutus as well i do appreciate you doing a vid of it. Now to see the Impact in action lol,,,, or maybe not. When i asked about the other aspects of the machine i mean the menus , is it user friendly, etc. etc. etc.


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Re: Impact Testers Not Interested?? (True Test For Me)
Posted by: TreasureHawk
Date: April 30, 2017 04:44PM
take a container(plastic of course) like you would buy from Walmart called a storage container

I just want to clarify that the plastic container is called a storage container.
Also, does it have to come from Walmart? :rofl: Plastic yes?

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