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Impact in Iron
Posted by: voorhees231
Date: April 28, 2017 02:02AM
For all of you folks that actually have these machines in your hand do they sniff thru the iron as good as advertised? I am thinking about pulling the trigger on the pro package but I have to know if it will actually be an upgrade in that department from my Whites V3I. I know each machine has its place and its strengths and weaknesses but this feature is the one that I am looking for. The nail board tests have never exited me really. Most users can make their detector signal on a coin during this test if they set it up right, but if you place the coin several inches below the iron that is when most machines struggle and have a problem signaling on the coin. I have not seen any videos with this scenario yet so just thought I would ask the folks using these machines already. Thanks in advance!

Troy V.



Whites V3i, MX Sport, M6, 10" DD, 9.5, 5.3 Concentric. Whites TRX, Detector Pro Pistol Probe. Oldest Coin 1854 Seated Dime.

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Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: Jackpine Savage
Date: April 28, 2017 03:14AM
It has only happened once so far with me but, did dig a small chunk of lead a couple inches below a thick rusty nail about a inch long. TID read iron all the way but there was a clean sounding high tone coming in almost on top of the iron grunt. That is where IMO the Impact is an improvement over the Racer 2, the audio is quick, clean and intelligent. Not like a beep dig machine where you listen for everything above nail reject settings but similar Digital yet organic if that makes any sense.

Tom



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Minelab Advantage, G2, Omega 8500, X-Terra 705, F75 DST and a Fisher ID Edge

Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: dbado1
Date: April 28, 2017 08:30AM
I agree with Tom. Audio is cleaner than previous Nokta machines. It is very good at alerting the operator to the presence of non ferrous in very trashy areas especially with the small coil attached.

I'm not much for tests either. What I can say after swinging the Impact for a few hours now is that it does excel in separation in iron littered sites.Impressively so. VERY fast processor. Everyone gets their panties in a bunch regarding tests and new machines, etc. All I can say is that I've taken the Impact back to very hard hunted sites that are littered with iron trash and pulled good targets from the ground that "shouldn't" have been there. For your needs the small coil is the ticket.

Dean

Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: OlEGoatMate
Date: April 28, 2017 10:35AM
It does very well in iron, I dug 4 plugs yesterday all had either a rusty nail or a piece of iron along with a modern coin

Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: April 28, 2017 11:38AM
Well,
I have played with White's V3i and Impact.

The V3i can be set up to recover very fast,,and give tone on targets in iron pits.

I do think comparing both detectors,,both being set to unmask to max,,,Impact with smaller coil deeper,,,audio too is better overall.

Just turn Impact on,, select 20khz,,select mode I. E. Di99 ,,disc 0-3,, id mask to 0,, gain to 85 or so and rock and roll.

Much easier to operate and get near peak to peak performance vs V3i.

Ergonomics better too on I pact cs V3i,,,balance and weight.

squirrel, you said id mask to 0, but I thinbk you meant
Posted by: Monte
Date: April 28, 2017 12:54PM
the Iron Audio Volume or Fe Volume, correct?

I know I will sometimes reduce the Iron Audio to '0' on my FORS Relic or Impact, but I prefer to keep it at '1' or '2', usually '2', so that I know I am working in close to iron debris which allows me to methodically work the coil around the masking iron.

When the amount of iron litter is not too excessive I like to work in Di99 at times, but prefer Di3 for most places I hunt because it is more 'telling' at helping to audibly and visual classify probably rusty tin. When the ferrous challenge is mostly just nails and other 'wire-iron' type/shape iron, then I prefer Di2. Just for comparison, on my Impact, like my Relic and CoRe, when I am working the smaller DD coils, my start-up programs are in Di3 w/Gain of '99.' Most of the other programs are set with a gain of '95' then I adjust as desired or needed. Usually I don't.

I am enjoying working my regular iron debris fields with the other modes with the Impact. This detector now only performs well, but it is 'fun' to use and that's part of why we're in the activity, to have 'fun.' I also enjoy making other 'on-the-fly' adjustment s with this 3 Frequency model which is MUCH easier to get into action and adjust settings than the White's Spectra series. Not only that, the Impact has superior performance in a dense iron environment.

All the best of success to you.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detectors:
Nokta:
Impact w/7" C., Impact w/5X9½ DD, Relic w/5" DD, Relic w/5½X10 C., Relic w/7X11 DD, CoRe w/'OOR' DD and CoRe w/7X11 DD
Tesoro:
Vaquero w/6" C., Bandido II µMAX w/6" C., Silver Sabre µMAX w/6" C. and Mojave w/7" C.

Other Specialty Use Detectors from:
Compass, Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand, NOT in my order of preference for use. Additional search coils on-hand in accessory bags.

Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using the Killer B 'Hornet'.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147


Re: squirrel, you said id mask to 0, but I thinbk you meant
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: April 28, 2017 05:16PM
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Monte
the Iron Audio Volume or Fe Volume, correct?

I know I will sometimes reduce the Iron Audio to '0' on my FORS Relic or Impact, but I prefer to keep it at '1' or '2', usually '2', so that I know I am working in close to iron debris which allows me to methodically work the coil around the masking iron.

When the amount of iron litter is not too excessive I like to work in Di99 at times, but prefer Di3 for most places I hunt because it is more 'telling' at helping to audibly and visual classify probably rusty tin. When the ferrous challenge is mostly just nails and other 'wire-iron' type/shape iron, then I prefer Di2. Just for comparison, on my Impact, like my Relic and CoRe, when I am working the smaller DD coils, my start-up programs are in Di3 w/Gain of '99.' Most of the other programs are set with a gain of '95' then I adjust as desired or needed. Usually I don't.

I am enjoying working my regular iron debris fields with the other modes with the Impact. This detector now only performs well, but it is 'fun' to use and that's part of why we're in the activity, to have 'fun.' I also enjoy making other 'on-the-fly' adjustment s with this 3 Frequency model which is MUCH easier to get into action and adjust settings than the White's Spectra series. Not only that, the Impact has superior performance in a dense iron environment.

All the best of success to you.

Monte

No I meant Imask,,,which it is actually labeled isat on the screen.
Imask for disc modes,,isat for am modes.

Imask setting here in my area affects depth,,,max depth = 0 setting.

squirrel, I was out detecting for a bit and
Posted by: Monte
Date: April 28, 2017 06:17PM
got to thinking that's also what you might have meant.

In your earlier post you had 'id mask' and I spend a lot of time with my FORS CoRe and FORS Relic units with ID Mask used to reference Discrimination that I just read it that way. No biggie since it's now clear for me and other readers who might have taken it the same way I did. I understand the iSAT and iMASK dual function, it just didn't click when I read the 'd' in the post.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detectors:
Nokta:
Impact w/7" C., Impact w/5X9½ DD, Relic w/5" DD, Relic w/5½X10 C., Relic w/7X11 DD, CoRe w/'OOR' DD and CoRe w/7X11 DD
Tesoro:
Vaquero w/6" C., Bandido II µMAX w/6" C., Silver Sabre µMAX w/6" C. and Mojave w/7" C.

Other Specialty Use Detectors from:
Compass, Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand, NOT in my order of preference for use. Additional search coils on-hand in accessory bags.

Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using the Killer B 'Hornet'.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147


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Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: Cal_Cobra
Date: April 28, 2017 07:44PM
I want to test the iSAT mode in alkali soil using the DI3 and VLX2 modes. Some of the areas have heavy iron, but the alkali soil is the largest challenge.

Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: April 28, 2017 08:32PM
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Cal_Cobra
I want to test the iSAT mode in alkali soil using the DI3 and VLX2 modes. Some of the areas have heavy iron, but the alkali soil is the largest challenge.

Just remember in di3 and vlx2,, since those are disc modes,,,what you see in isat window is Imask setting.

Go to AM miodes,,you will see isat setting in the isat window.

The more minerlized,,,the more I mask setting will affect depth of targets.
As you start upping the Imask when sweeping,,signal will get choppier,,keep going up level wise,,can disappear,,,smaller targets this could affect more with each level setting as it is increased.
Can the detector run a little quieter with higher Imask setting??
Sure,,but depth can be sacrificed too.
I'll put up with a little extra noise for a little more depth,,or maybe make a fringe depth detail sound just a tad better.

I can run a little higher than level 0 and get good depth,,but I leave mine at 0.

Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: shelton7522
Date: May 04, 2017 02:26PM
Is not possible to compare Whites Spectra to Impact. Whites machine (I have it) is terrible slow is disc. mode... but overall performance for multi freq. machine is awesome, ID special.

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Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: voorhees231
Date: May 05, 2017 03:06AM
Wasn't asking for a comparison just simply asking how the Impact performed in a heavy iron infested situation. I was merely stating what machine I have been using and I am looking for a upgrade in this scenario. The V definitely has many strengths but also has a few weaknesses. Just looking for the next detector to fill the void in that department.



Whites V3i, MX Sport, M6, 10" DD, 9.5, 5.3 Concentric. Whites TRX, Detector Pro Pistol Probe. Oldest Coin 1854 Seated Dime.

Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: Trashfinder
Date: May 05, 2017 02:33PM
Voorheese231 i have two threads where i asked the testers to test the same scenario. I only got ridiculed mostly but a dealer who does not sell nokta did buy a machine and did a test where a silver quarter was buried at 4 inches, then two rusty nails were placed two inches above the quarter with the heads at the edge of the quarter ,180 degrees from each other. Hole was filled. He sent me some videos that i can send to you if you pm me with your email. Would be happy to share the info.

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Re: Impact in Iron
Posted by: amberjack
Date: May 05, 2017 03:28PM
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Trashfinder
Voorheese231 i have two threads where i asked the testers to test the same scenario. I only got ridiculed mostly but a dealer who does not sell nokta did buy a machine and did a test where a silver quarter was buried at 4 inches, then two rusty nails were placed two inches above the quarter with the heads at the edge of the quarter ,180 degrees from each other. Hole was filled. He sent me some videos that i can send to you if you pm me with your email. Would be happy to share the info.

Did you buy an impact?

thanks...

AJ

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