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Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: May 30, 2017 10:41AM
I'm curious if the Impact does better at sniffing out coins in iron than the Fors?

Are both machines just as deep?

Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: dbado1
Date: May 30, 2017 10:09PM
Tony,
Both are awesome for sniffing out nonferrous targets in the iron. Depth, of course, depends on ground type, etc. Since the Relic is 19 kHz, I would say they are evenly matched depth wise with the Impact in 20 kHz.
The Impact may be a tad deeper in 5 kHz on high conductors like silver. The Impact is just more versatile with all of it's different modes and settings. Tough to go wrong with either one. If I had to choose, I would pick the Impact.

Dean

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Is Relic deeper than Impact?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: May 31, 2017 03:20PM
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dbado1
Tony,
Both are awesome for sniffing out nonferrous targets in the iron. Depth, of course, depends on ground type, etc. Since the Relic is 19 kHz, I would say they are evenly matched depth wise with the Impact in 20 kHz.
The Impact may be a tad deeper in 5 kHz on high conductors like silver. The Impact is just more versatile with all of it's different modes and settings. Tough to go wrong with either one. If I had to choose, I would pick the Impact.

Dean

I've read a lot that the Relic is deep and the numbers spread out well to tell you what's down there. Is this the case with the Impact as well?
I just need a detector that can really hunt coins in iron square nails around old homes.

Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: dbado1
Date: May 31, 2017 11:47PM
Tony, the Impact can duplicate the performance of the Relic and the other Nokta machines as well. Both the Relic and the Impact are good at identifying "deep" targets with good accuracy. Both are super fast in heavy iron especially with the smaller coils attached. The Relic's expanded non- ferrous range stopped the TID grouping that the CoRe exhibited by placing many targets in to the 84 bin. Not a big deal really. I never dug anything desirable in that bin anyway. Kind of like the common trash bin.
Are you considering buying a Relic? If so, PM me.

Dean

Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: nenadgbeepin
Date: June 01, 2017 12:01AM
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dbado1
Tony,
Both are awesome for sniffing out nonferrous targets in the iron. Depth, of course, depends on ground type, etc. Since the Relic is 19 kHz, I would say they are evenly matched depth wise with the Impact in 20 kHz.
The Impact may be a tad deeper in 5 kHz on high conductors like silver. The Impact is just more versatile with all of it's different modes and settings. Tough to go wrong with either one. If I had to choose, I would pick the Impact.

Dean

Spot on reply. I like the Impact over the Relic for the following:

1. Optional frequencies
2. Better handle
3. Screen right in front of you - very quick to change modes
4. 7" elliptical coil option
5. iSat in All-metal
6. Integrated wireless headphone option

Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: dbado1
Date: June 01, 2017 08:56AM
Hi Nenad,
I hope things are well with you down under. I gave the Impact a run in the gold fields the other day with the 7" and I was impressed. Much like the Fors Gold+. Have you given it a run on nuggets yet?

Dean

'Coin Hunting' ... picking between the FORS CoRe, FORS Relic and Impact. :unsure:
Posted by: Monte
Date: June 05, 2017 08:15AM
The 'best' way to know which of these models might have an 'edge' over the others for various site challenges is to own each of them so you can compare them side-by-side at different sites. Then, if you feel there is an advantage for one over the others, then pick that model. OR ... just own at least one of each so you'll be able to take advantage of any of them for different wants or needs, whwch is what I do because while I have found them to offer strengths in different ways, I haven't found any particular reason to let one or more go from my detector battery.


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Tony N (Michigan)
I'm curious if the Impact does better at sniffing out coins in iron than the Fors?
If the Impact is working at 14 kHz and uses comparable settings, it will provide comparable performance to the 15 kHz FORS CoRe. It does have an 'edge' in Target ID, however, because with a ferrous/non-ferrous break point at a VDI of '15' in the Di2 and Di3 and COG modes, it provides a little better spread of non-ferrous range targets than the FORS CoRe with a ferrous/non-ferrous break point of '40.'

If using the 20 kHz operating frequency and comparing it with the FORS Relic at 19 kHz, they will provide much closer audio and visual performance as well as numeric TID separation because the Relic has a ferrous/non-ferrous break point of '20' which is very close to the Impact's '15' break in the Coin Hunting search modes.

But TID in a dense iron contaminated site is far less reliable and the audio report is the important ingredient for success. In that respect, in a really dense iron nail or other ferrous challenged site, the Impact will perform very close to the FORS CoRe w/'OOR' DD coil or FORS Relic w/5½" round DD coil when it is also equipped with the round 5½" DD coil. This coil will likely be put into production as an accessory coil in the near future. It is the sample coil Dilek had them make for me to evaluate in the toughest challenges as is the coil I will keep mounted on my 'Test' Impact full-time. That's because I very often hunt some of the nastiest iron infested sites you can imagine.

I do plan to get a new production Impact and that one will use the elliptical 4X7¾ DD for Coin Hunting typically littered sites, or using the 'standard' 7X11 DD or the accessory 5X9 open-frame DD when it is available for low-to-modest trashy sites


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Tony N (Michigan)
Are both machines just as deep?
Generally, and I consider all three of them, the CoRe, Relic and Impact, to provide deep-seeking potential compared with most of the other brand competitors. There are always going to be several variables that can have an effect on achieving 'depth,' but all fo them are good. M<ode selection and settings used are also factors to consider, but when working the Impact at 20 kHz against the 19 kHz relic, and using similar-size coils and settings, I would have to give the Impact a bit of an 'edge' on depth by ½" to 1½" on many naturally located targets in low-trash settings.


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Tony N (Michigan)
I've read a lot that the Relic is deep and the numbers spread out well to tell you what's down there. Is this the case with the Impact as well?
YES, the numeric spread of the Impact is just ass good and maybe very slightly better only because the Relic spreads non-ferrous targets across a 20-99 numeric VDI range while the Impact provides us a 15 to 99 numeric spread. You could get icky on a number or two in the lower-end of the non-ferrous range, but both models are very good at that. This is when the Impact is used in one of the five Coin Hunting modes with the '15' ferrous/non-ferrous break.


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Tony N (Michigan)
I just need a detector that can really hunt coins in iron square nails around old homes.
Honestly, any of these models can. My 'go-to' unit for most Relic Hunting in a dense iron nail contaminated site is my Relic w/5½" DD coil, but my CoRe w/'OOR' coil is very close. The impact, with the round 5½" DD coil comes very close to the Relic with the same coil size and using comparable settings

If a person is primarily a Relic Hunter and works a lot of sites that contain a lot of closely-spaced ferrous junk, any of these models can work, but in the densest iron the Relic became my main-use unit early last year, but I don't hesitate to grab my CoRe, either. Then came the Impact and with the right coil and settings, it is right in the mix as a very good Relic Hunting detector in iron trash. I have friends and family who use any of these three models and all are successful afield. Among this bunch of hunting buddies are many who like simplicity and have no desire to use 5 kHz, or really take advantage of any of the added search modes found on the Impact. They are more comfortable with what they have and keeping it simple.

For a few, however, they are more like me and they also value the Impact as a more versatile detector to go beyond just Relic Hunting older sites. They like the Coin Hunting versatility the Impact provides with the three quick-select frequencies and the variety of Discriminate modes to use.

If you have a local Nokta Dealer, go check them out. If not, try to find a local detecting club or group , or anyone who has one or more of these devices and give them a try. Make it to one of our Welcome-to-Hunt Outings and I'll give you a chance to use them a bit, or if you're ever vacationing or travelling close to me (I live in far Eastern Oregon) you can contact me and we'll work out a get-together and you can see for yourself what they have to offer and why they are my primary-use TID/Tone ID detectors.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
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Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detectors:
Nokta: Two each of the following: Impact, FORS Relic and FORS CoRe
Tesoro: Vaquero, Silver Sabre µMAX and Mojave
White's: MX7

Other Specialty-Use Detectors from:
Compass, Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand, NOT in my order of preference for use. Additional search coils on-hand in accessory bags.

Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using White's Pro Star Headphones w/'tank style' ear cups.
Recovery Tools: Using White's Ground Hawg shovel and Digmaster digging tool

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
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Re: 'Coin Hunting' ... picking between the FORS CoRe, FORS Relic and Impact. :unsure:
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 05, 2017 07:38PM
Thank you Monte for taking so much time to write up an excellent post to my questions.
I truly do appreciate your help. Maybe someday we can meet up and you can show me some tricks to the trade.

I'm pretty much bent on getting the Impact based on your information. I will check around where I live and see if anyone had an Impact.

Thanks!

Tony

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Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 05, 2017 07:40PM
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dbado1
Tony, the Impact can duplicate the performance of the Relic and the other Nokta machines as well. Both the Relic and the Impact are good at identifying "deep" targets with good accuracy. Both are super fast in heavy iron especially with the smaller coils attached. The Relic's expanded non- ferrous range stopped the TID grouping that the CoRe exhibited by placing many targets in to the 84 bin. Not a big deal really. I never dug anything desirable in that bin anyway. Kind of like the common trash bin.
Are you considering buying a Relic? If so, PM me.

Dean

Hi Dean,
thanks for your post. I'm leaning more toward the Impact for coin shooting and finding jewelry.

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Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 05, 2017 07:41PM
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dbado1
Tony,
Both are awesome for sniffing out nonferrous targets in the iron. Depth, of course, depends on ground type, etc. Since the Relic is 19 kHz, I would say they are evenly matched depth wise with the Impact in 20 kHz.
The Impact may be a tad deeper in 5 kHz on high conductors like silver. The Impact is just more versatile with all of it's different modes and settings. Tough to go wrong with either one. If I had to choose, I would pick the Impact.

Dean

Thanks for the information, Dean. It does help me make an informed decision.

Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: dbado1
Date: June 05, 2017 10:13PM
You are welcome , Tony. Good luck with your decision. Please post up when you get your machine.

Dean

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Anyone use the 15.5 x 14 coil for coin shooting?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: June 11, 2017 09:35PM
I would imagine it goes quite a bit deeper then the 11 x 7 coil but would probably be better less trashy sites.
Is it very heavy? What are your thoughts on this coil as apposed to the 11 x 7?

Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: nenadgbeepin
Date: June 12, 2017 07:54AM
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dbado1
Hi Nenad,
I hope things are well with you down under. I gave the Impact a run in the gold fields the other day with the 7" and I was impressed. Much like the Fors Gold+. Have you given it a run on nuggets yet?

Dean

Hi Dean,
All is well down under - just trying to keep up with all the new releases of late!

Yes I have used it - think I posted up a short review on Steve's forum. I actually prefer the Impact over the Gold+ due to the better iSat implementation, giving you better control over the threshold. In the goldfields, I find the Gold+ a little more "twitchy" but gives a nice hit on borderline targets. With the Impact there is more subtlety in the audio, so very important to wear headphone in the all-metal mode. Actually the Impact with the 7" elliptical isn't too far behind the Gold Racer, but handles hotter ground noticeably better due to the lower frequency.

I had been using the Gold+ in FST with the 5" coil a lot for shallow coin popping, but the Racer 2 sort of started to take over, as the Iron Audio came in really handy in certain sites.
Now, the Impact has sort of taken over what I was doing with both those units, and even though it is slightly heavier I prefer the feel of the Impact over both the R2 and Gold+. Really keen to try out the IM24 9.5x5" coil when they come out. Got a feeling that may live permanently on my Impact.



CTX3030 - Racer 2 - Bandido II umax - SDC2300 - GPX5000 - GPZ7000 - Gold Racer - Sov GT - Fors CoRe
From Adelaide, South Australia

Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: dbado1
Date: June 12, 2017 08:35AM
Nenad, the Impact has taken over my arsenal as well. It has done what I was hoping it would do...be many detectors in one. As a result I'm thinning the herd a bit. I'm looking forward to the 9.5x5" coil as well! I have always liked that size of coil as a great multipurpose coil.

It looks like prospecting is over for the summer for us as the temperature is now reaching 110* F to 115* F down in the lower gold bearing elevations. So, I will be spending less time with the GPX and more time with the Impact relic hunting up in the much cooler high country of Arizona.

Happy Hunting.

Dean

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Re: Fors relic or Impact coin?
Posted by: juit
Date: August 12, 2017 09:41AM
Got my relic in 300 because the owner needed cash to buy a new impact! so yes everyone get an impact i need 2 more relics :) lol



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