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Nokta Fors Relic ?
Posted by: Chuck(NC)
Date: July 20, 2017 10:10AM
Can anyone explain FORS CORE+ on start up display instead of Fors Relic on a Nokta Relic. Thanks for any info on this

Re: Nokta Fors Relic ?
Posted by: Sonnyd
Date: July 20, 2017 06:27PM
I've never ran a Core, so I don't have a clue...

Chuck, a couple of quick questions for you, and answers as well.
Posted by: Monte
Date: July 20, 2017 06:49PM
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Chuck(NC)
Can anyone explain FORS CORE+ ...
My questions are:

Do you have a device labeled FORS Core + ?

If so, who did you get it from?

Also, which search coils do you have for it?


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Chuck(NC)
... on start up display instead of Fors Relic on a Nokta Relic.
Now for a comment, Nokta is the manufacturer, and the FORS 'series' includes the Gold, CoRe, Gold + and Relic. All of these models have the 'FORS' before their name to reference the 'series,' but to shorten it and quickly get to the series models, we can just say CoRe or Relic, etc.

So the Nokta FORS Relic, and the FORS Relic and just saying Relic all refer to the very same detector, and there is only one final production Relic model.

If you want, you can shoot me an e-mail directly to monte@ahrps.org and we can discuss what you have and the settings. It's 5:48 PM Mountain Time, 7:48 PM in NC, and I am out the door to a renovation site in 3 minutes but I'll get back to any e-mail or reply as soon as I get home after sunset.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detectors:
Nokta:
Impact, FORS Relic and FORS CoRe (Using mainly the 'OOR', 5", 4X7½, 5X9½ open-frame DD's or 7" Concentric coils as needed. Other coils on-hand.)
Tesoro:
Vaquero, Silver Sabre µMAX and Mojave (With either a 6" or 7" Concentric coil in use, or maybe 8X11 DD on the Vaquero.)

Other Specialty Use Detectors from:
Compass, Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand, NOT in my order of preference for use. Additional search coils on-hand in accessory bags.

Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using the Killer B 'Hornet'.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147


Re: Nokta Fors Relic ?
Posted by: xwyokid
Date: July 21, 2017 01:20PM
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Sonnyd
I've never ran a Core, so I don't have a clue...

Good answer!!

Re: Nokta Fors Relic ?
Posted by: D&P-OR
Date: July 21, 2017 02:07PM
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xwyokid
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Sonnyd
I've never ran a Core, so I don't have a clue...

Good answer!!


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Re: Nokta Fors Relic ?
Posted by: Stoof-tabsallday
Date: July 21, 2017 11:27PM
Fors gold+?
There are many nokta machine but as far as fors series there are core, gold, gold+, and relic.
I misunderstand the question....



Stefan (Michigan)

Nokta Fors Relic 7x11", 5.5x10"DD, 5", 5.5x10 Concentric


Makro Racer 2 - 7x11", 5.5x10", 5" DD


:tesoro: Mojave
:tesoro: Deleon - Troy shadow super 7",
:tesoro: Compadre 8
:tesoro: Compadre 5.75
:tesoro: Bandido II Micromax
:tesoro: Outlaw
:tesoro: Cibola- GB/all metal toggle mod
:tesoro: Vaquero
:tesoro: Cutlass Micromax 8

Lots of coils

*Not listed in any special order*

Tools:
Garrett carrot, lesche shovel, Killer B Wasps, my bare hands

'Sroof' .. No problem as Chuck and I have discussed his unit.
Posted by: Monte
Date: July 22, 2017 12:41AM
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Stoof-tabsallday
Fors gold+?
There are many nokta machine but as far as fors series there are core, gold, gold+, and relic.
I misunderstand the question....
You are correct, there are the four PRODUCTION models, the 15 kHz FORS Gold then FORS CoRe, then the 19 kHz FORS Gold + followed by the FORS Relic.

Those are the production models released to consumers.

Initially there was a 19 kHz prototype model they planned to name the FORS CoRe + and evaluation samples went to three people I know of here in the USA. One was cut from the finalization process and Keith S. and I had discussions about the CoRe + and we also were in constant contact with Dilek and their lead software engineer, Alper T. at Nokta. The product was an exceptional performer, based on the 19 kHz Gold + but with the added modes and adjustment functions. There were only two real changes Keith and I agreed upon, one being a boost in sensitivity and the VCO audio enhancement, and the other was a Tone or Audio Frequency change to increase it from a '3' level, as adjustable on the CoRe, to the level '5' setting. (Note: This is a fixed setting on the Relic and not adjustable like on the CoRe.)

New system boxes were readied and sent to Keith S. (an Eastern US Relic Hunter) and to me (a Western US Relic Hunter) and both Keith & I felt it was then about as good as it could get. That was the final software/circuitry design they went with for the production detector.

However, immediately after sending the new CoRe + Revised Prototype control systems off to us, Dilek also asked us what we thought of her idea to change the name from CoRe + to Relic. We both agreed it was an excellent decision and after getting our final evaluation remarks back, and before production devices were released, the new model was announced to the public and came out with the new 'official' name, the FORS Relic. The control box decal color scheme was changed with the Relic name, and that's what everyone has today.

To my knowledge, one initial evaluator only had an original, unchanged CoRe + system box. Keith and I had two control boxes, the original CoRe + and the Revised Prototype with the enhanced VCO and higher Audio Frequency tone. Chuck bought his unit from a dealer w/o a side decal and the dealer told him it was a FORS Relic. When turned on, the side positioned display shows FORS CoRe +, but it has all the search models and adjustment functions of the Relic, so he concluded that was correct and he likely had a pre-production prototype. He contacted Dilek and now has a Relic side decal for his specimen.

From a description of the armcup with the system, it appears to be like one of Keith's as seen in one of his videos, so we figure that is where it came from. Both of the FORS Relic models in my Regular-Use Detector Battery are regular 'production' FORS Relic devices, and I have my prototype and revised-prototype units still on-hand in a Nokta accessory bag. Even though they read FORS CoRe + on the display at turn-on, I plan to contact Dilek for a pair of FORS Relic decals so they will not confuse folks who see them in use. That way I can keep one of the additional search coils mounted and have a 3rd Relic in my carry arsenal. :thumbup:

Anyway, Chuck figured it out, I clarified a few subtle differences, and we have one more avid detectorist out there with a terrific performing Nokta Relic. :clapping:

And we still have the Gold, CoRe, Gold + and Relic as the four Nokta FORS series models released for consumers. I am one of the many who is pleased to have these excellent working units at my disposal, with two production CoRe's and two Relics currently in my Regular-Use group, the Gold + in my Specialty Team. Once I get the two system box decals to upgrade my prototype units, I will also have two 'Relic' set-ups to also have on-hand as loaner units for friends and family, property owners who want to join a permissioned search, and get newcomers to this great sport familiar with the Relic when I hold seminars or some outdoor training sessions.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"

Stinkwater Wells
Trading Post

Metal Detector Evaluations and Product Reviews
'How-To' help for Coin & Jewelry Hunting, Relic Hunting and Useful Techniques.

My Regular-Use Detectors:
Nokta:
Impact, FORS Relic and FORS CoRe (Using mainly the 'OOR', 5", 4X7½, 5X9½ open-frame DD's or 7" Concentric coils as needed. Other coils on-hand.)
Tesoro:
Vaquero, Silver Sabre µMAX and Mojave (With either a 6" or 7" Concentric coil in use, or maybe 8X11 DD on the Vaquero.)

Other Specialty Use Detectors from:
Compass, Makro, Nokta, Tesoro and White's
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand, NOT in my order of preference for use. Additional search coils on-hand in accessory bags.

Pinpointers: Using Nokta and Makro Pointers.
Headphones: Using the Killer B 'Hornet'.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

monte@stinkwaterwells.com .. or .. monte@ahrps.org
(503) 481-8147


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Re: 'Sroof' .. No problem as Chuck and I have discussed his unit.
Posted by: Stoof-tabsallday
Date: July 22, 2017 03:00AM
Ahhh.... My mistake.
This is the first I'm hearing of the core+ lol.
Thanks Monte.



Stefan (Michigan)

Nokta Fors Relic 7x11", 5.5x10"DD, 5", 5.5x10 Concentric


Makro Racer 2 - 7x11", 5.5x10", 5" DD


:tesoro: Mojave
:tesoro: Deleon - Troy shadow super 7",
:tesoro: Compadre 8
:tesoro: Compadre 5.75
:tesoro: Bandido II Micromax
:tesoro: Outlaw
:tesoro: Cibola- GB/all metal toggle mod
:tesoro: Vaquero
:tesoro: Cutlass Micromax 8

Lots of coils

*Not listed in any special order*

Tools:
Garrett carrot, lesche shovel, Killer B Wasps, my bare hands

Thanks Monte.N/T
Posted by: Chuck(NC)
Date: July 22, 2017 05:36AM

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Re: 'Sroof' .. No problem as Chuck and I have discussed his unit.
Posted by: Sonnyd
Date: July 22, 2017 08:36AM
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Monte
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Stoof-tabsallday
Fors gold+?
There are many nokta machine but as far as fors series there are core, gold, gold+, and relic.
I misunderstand the question....
You are correct, there are the four PRODUCTION models, the 15 kHz FORS Gold then FORS CoRe, then the 19 kHz FORS Gold + followed by the FORS Relic.

Those are the production models released to consumers.

Initially there was a 19 kHz prototype model they planned to name the FORS CoRe + and evaluation samples went to three people I know of here in the USA. One was cut from the finalization process and Keith S. and I had discussions about the CoRe + and we also were in constant contact with Dilek and their lead software engineer, Alper T. at Nokta. The product was an exceptional performer, based on the 19 kHz Gold + but with the added modes and adjustment functions. There were only two real changes Keith and I agreed upon, one being a boost in sensitivity and the VCO audio enhancement, and the other was a Tone or Audio Frequency change to increase it from a '3' level, as adjustable on the CoRe, to the level '5' setting. (Note: This is a fixed setting on the Relic and not adjustable like on the CoRe.)

New system boxes were readied and sent to Keith S. (an Eastern US Relic Hunter) and to me (a Western US Relic Hunter) and both Keith & I felt it was then about as good as it could get. That was the final software/circuitry design they went with for the production detector.

However, immediately after sending the new CoRe + Revised Prototype control systems off to us, Dilek also asked us what we thought of her idea to change the name from CoRe + to Relic. We both agreed it was an excellent decision and after getting our final evaluation remarks back, and before production devices were released, the new model was announced to the public and came out with the new 'official' name, the FORS Relic. The control box decal color scheme was changed with the Relic name, and that's what everyone has today.

To my knowledge, one initial evaluator only had an original, unchanged CoRe + system box. Keith and I had two control boxes, the original CoRe + and the Revised Prototype with the enhanced VCO and higher Audio Frequency tone. Chuck bought his unit from a dealer w/o a side decal and the dealer told him it was a FORS Relic. When turned on, the side positioned display shows FORS CoRe +, but it has all the search models and adjustment functions of the Relic, so he concluded that was correct and he likely had a pre-production prototype. He contacted Dilek and now has a Relic side decal for his specimen.

From a description of the armcup with the system, it appears to be like one of Keith's as seen in one of his videos, so we figure that is where it came from. Both of the FORS Relic models in my Regular-Use Detector Battery are regular 'production' FORS Relic devices, and I have my prototype and revised-prototype units still on-hand in a Nokta accessory bag. Even though they read FORS CoRe + on the display at turn-on, I plan to contact Dilek for a pair of FORS Relic decals so they will not confuse folks who see them in use. That way I can keep one of the additional search coils mounted and have a 3rd Relic in my carry arsenal. :thumbup:

Anyway, Chuck figured it out, I clarified a few subtle differences, and we have one more avid detectorist out there with a terrific performing Nokta Relic. :clapping:

And we still have the Gold, CoRe, Gold + and Relic as the four Nokta FORS series models released for consumers. I am one of the many who is pleased to have these excellent working units at my disposal, with two production CoRe's and two Relics currently in my Regular-Use group, the Gold + in my Specialty Team. Once I get the two system box decals to upgrade my prototype units, I will also have two 'Relic' set-ups to also have on-hand as loaner units for friends and family, property owners who want to join a permissioned search, and get newcomers to this great sport familiar with the Relic when I hold seminars or some outdoor training sessions.

Monte

I knew either You or Keith would figure it out. Chuck and I have PM'd each other the last few days, since he got it. I figured it must have been a pre-production unit. I know he already got some new Relic Stickers to put on it since it had no sticker at all I believe. There you go Chuck. Sounds like you got an Awesome deal. Now if it just cools off enough to get out again, LOL

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