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I feel like I abandoned an old friend
Posted by: Scottowl
Date: March 31, 2017 12:01AM
Well, I've done it now.
The other day I shipped off my beloved MXT.
If all goes well, in about 2 weeks it will return, in the form of a Racer2.
In other words, I have traded it in on a Racer 2.
What I hope to gain is better separation around picnic tables and firepits, in and among the hundreds of pull tabs.
I believe there are some good targets hiding, and I doubt there would be many who spend a lot of time hunting there.
How would you expect the R2 to perform in this environment? I will have the 5"(?) coil, similar to the 5.3(6") MXT coil.
I'm wondering if the results will be favorable.
I have a handful of spots where I have done well on rings, and even turned up the occasional silver dime, but the finds are dwindling.
The wait begins...



Racer 2
XL Pro
Classic IDX
UMATILLA COUNTY, OREGON

I can assure you, this will be a welcome change. :thumbup:
Posted by: Monte
Date: March 31, 2017 05:24AM
Greetings! I haven't seen many posts from you for a while. I think we last posted back-and-forth late last summer. Are you still living over in/near Hermiston?


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Scottowl
Well, I've done it now.
The other day I shipped off my beloved MXT.
If all goes well, in about 2 weeks it will return, in the form of a Racer2.
In other words, I have traded it in on a Racer 2.
A good move. As you know, from my prior comments or forum posts, I preferred the MXT Pro and moved up to it from the original MXT 'Tracker' which I believe you have now shipped away. The MXT Pro prototype I worked with was very good but Carl Moreland improved several things with the final production efforts and it was my main-use all-purpose detector .. until January of 2015.

I got the Nokta FORS CoRe in my hands and in a matter of hours to a day or two the MXT Pro dropped to a #2 back-up unit. The FORS CoRe instantly became my #1 use detector simply due to the excellent balance and in-the-field performance. It remains in a 3-way tie for me in the #1 spot with the Nokta Impact and FORS Relic's. Then, within a month after I got the FORS CoRe, I had an original Racer preproduction unit in-hand and that was the end of the MXT series for me. It was also the end of all White's models I owned at the time as I sold them all off, and my Teknetics units, too.

Then, to start 2016, I had the soon-to-be FORS Relic and Racer 2 that brought some new versatility to both product lines. For my types of hunting and site selections the Relic was the better 'fit' and joined my CoRe in the #1 spot. The Racer 2 was in the 2nd place position and has been a great performer as well. Oregon Gregg had an MXT All-Pro and M6 then got the CoRe and original Racer. Today he still keeps that Racer on-hand, but while I lean more towards the FORS series, and he still has a pair of FORS CoRe's himself, he is well stocked with the Makro Racer 2 as it was a better 'fit' for him. He's been enjoying splendid success afield with the Racer 2 and doesn't regret parting with his MXT Pro.

Just put in the time to learn what the Racer 2 has to offer and soon you'll know why so many have some to favor the Racer 2 as their main-use or even their only detector.


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Scottowl
What I hope to gain is better separation around picnic tables and firepits, in and among the hundreds of pull tabs.
I believe there are some good targets hiding, and I doubt there would be many who spend a lot of time hunting there.
Separation is just part of the benefits you'll gain. There is also the mode selections and having the ability to adjust the Audio Tone, Tone Break and Iron Audio Volume. Being able to hunt in very trashy sites like they do is why the CoRe, Racer, Relic and Racer 2 have had such an appeal to both Relic Hunters as well as avid Coin Hunters who select very littered sites to hunt.


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Scottowl
How would you expect the R2 to perform in this environment?
Excellent!


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Scottowl
I will have the 5"(?) coil, similar to the 5.3(6") MXT coil.
I never like to use a lot of the manufacturer's coil descriptions, preferring to break out a ruler to get a closer coil measurement. Available for the Racer 2 are the small 'OOR' DD, which is a 4.7X5.2 slightly Out-Of-Round coil. That's the size I like to keep on one of my FORS CoRe units. Then there is the round DD they call a 5" which measures closer to 5½" in diameter, which is what I call it. Tesoro has a smaller coil I use they call a 5.75 but I call it what it is, a 6" Concentric coil. And White's has had their 5.3 Bullseye and 5.3 Eclipse which use the same housing as the older Blue Max 600, but again, I call it what it is and that is a 6½" coil..

So the Racer 2's small 5½" coil is 'similar' to the MXT's 6½" coil in that they are both round shaped, but other than that they are a slightly different physical size on the outside, and the MXT's coil is a Concentric design internally while the Racer 2's 5½" coil is a Double-D design. I have found the smaller 'OOR' and 5½" DD coils for the Racer 2 to work very well, surpassing the all-around performance of the 6½" coil attached to an MXT.


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Scottowl
I'm wondering if the results will be favorable.
I have a handful of spots where I have done well on rings, and even turned up the occasional silver dime, but the finds are dwindling.
The wait begins...
Sadly, the finds are 'dwindling' for everyone everywhere. :( Not as many people getting outdoors to parks and other places like they used to so coin and jewelry loss is down. Big cities to small towns we just don't see nearly as much activity as there used to be, and definitely not like all the family picnics that used to take place in parks back in the '20s thru '60s and into the '70s.

However, we still have some of the left-over older coins as well as newer lost targets that are isolated from popular use areas or are mixed in with a lot of modern trash. Those smaller coils are what open the trashier sites for me and stay mounted on all my main-use detectors. My Impact's current smallest coil is a 4X7¾ DD, but it does quite well also. This wind storm we've had will continue today, but I will be using my 5½" DD for a few days to start April off heading out on Saturday by picking on some renovation work, a couple of old, out-of-the-way parks, and any other debris-filled places I can find.

Let us know when you get your Racer 2 and start using it. You had that MXT for a long time, so give the Racer 2 at least a little field work before you start to judge it. I am sure you'll be impressed.

Monte



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My Regular-Use Detectors:
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Tesoro: Vaquero, Silver Sabre µMAX and Mojave
White's: MX-7
Note: Detectors are listed alphabetically by Brand, and chosen as desired based on search site conditions.
Additional search coils. mounted on spare lower-rods, are on-hand in my accessory coil tote.
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Recovery Tools: Using White's Ground Hawg Shovel and DigMaster digging tools.

*** All working well today to make memories for tomorrow. ***

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Re: I feel like I abandoned an old friend
Posted by: csarebelva
Date: March 31, 2017 02:41PM
Yes if you didn't get one of the small coils they are a must in trashy sites. I have an old house site I have hunted many times and the last time I went back i went with the smaller coil on the Racer 2. Turned the gain /sensitivity down to about 65 and started cherry picking between all the nails and debris. I pulled out a flat button a two hole button and a percussion cap... all around the foundation area, I really love this machine and their customer services.



CSArebelVA AKA Freddie Lee

Makro Racer and Makro Racer 2
Tesoro Ciabola
Makro Pinpointer
Lesche Ground Shark28" Shovel

Oldest coin 1662 Two Pence
Best Relics Washington Artillery Tongue and Wreath / CSA General Staff large with CSA in Shield / Manuscript I Button

Re: I feel like I abandoned an old friend
Posted by: Scottowl
Date: March 31, 2017 04:19PM
Yup, still around Hermiston. Monte, you are certainly one of the good guys!
I have seen the lack of people in the parks.
I have a few older houses that were choked with roofing nails I am looking forward to.
Older parks that are now an ocean of aluminum the MXT sniffed out a handful of Mercury dimes, and a bit of jewelry from.
I spent a lot of time with the MXT, and eventually got results . The first few outings made me want to toss it in the river, tho!
That was remedied by a smaller coil, and the MXT paid for itself, as well as another detector or 2!
It is time for something new, but I sure have a soft spot for the old Tracker.
I feel I have advanced enough in my abilities to see what the Racer can offer me.



Racer 2
XL Pro
Classic IDX
UMATILLA COUNTY, OREGON

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Re: I feel like I abandoned an old friend
Posted by: Stoof-tabsallday
Date: March 31, 2017 09:19PM
I think what you'll notice with the racer is the ease of use. Once you figure out where you'd like your tone breaks and what frequency tones you like, it kind of becomes a turn on and go like Monte has said.
I'm still dialing my break points in. But right off the bat I think you'll get along with it.
Did you get the small coil? I didn't remember hearing if you got the pro pack or not.



Stefan (Michigan)

Nokta Fors Relic 7x11", 5.5x10"DD, 5", 5.5x10 Concentric


Makro Racer 2 - 7x11", 5.5x10", 5" DD


:tesoro: Mojave
:tesoro: Deleon - Troy shadow super 7",
:tesoro: Compadre 8
:tesoro: Compadre 5.75
:tesoro: Bandido II Micromax
:tesoro: Outlaw
:tesoro: Cibola- GB/all metal toggle mod
:tesoro: Vaquero
:tesoro: Cutlass Micromax 8

Lots of coils

*Not listed in any special order*

Tools:
Garrett carrot, lesche shovel, Killer B Wasps, my bare hands

Re: I feel like I abandoned an old friend
Posted by: Scottowl
Date: March 31, 2017 10:41PM
Yes, there's a small coil with it. It is not brand new, but apparently sold to someone who traded it back in.
The tone break is the point you set low tones to high tones? And these tones are adjustable?
Another thing I am new to is being able to turn down iron signals. They are still present, but not overpowering?
I have also not had a machine with manual ground balancing. I never knew I needed that! lol
I am looking forward to immersing myself in it, trying to get what I can out of it.



Racer 2
XL Pro
Classic IDX
UMATILLA COUNTY, OREGON

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Re: I feel like I abandoned an old friend
Posted by: Stoof-tabsallday
Date: March 31, 2017 11:44PM
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Scottowl
Yes, there's a small coil with it. It is not brand new, but apparently sold to someone who traded it back in.
The tone break is the point you set low tones to high tones? And these tones are adjustable?
Another thing I am new to is being able to turn down iron signals. They are still present, but not overpowering?
I have also not had a machine with manual ground balancing. I never knew I needed that! lol
I am looking forward to immersing myself in it, trying to get what I can out of it.
Well it's manual but also has ground grab if you push the toggle forward and Bob the coil it will do it for you.
Recommend you download the manual off the makro site and read it while you wait



Stefan (Michigan)

Nokta Fors Relic 7x11", 5.5x10"DD, 5", 5.5x10 Concentric


Makro Racer 2 - 7x11", 5.5x10", 5" DD


:tesoro: Mojave
:tesoro: Deleon - Troy shadow super 7",
:tesoro: Compadre 8
:tesoro: Compadre 5.75
:tesoro: Bandido II Micromax
:tesoro: Outlaw
:tesoro: Cibola- GB/all metal toggle mod
:tesoro: Vaquero
:tesoro: Cutlass Micromax 8

Lots of coils

*Not listed in any special order*

Tools:
Garrett carrot, lesche shovel, Killer B Wasps, my bare hands

A new Friend
Posted by: Rich (Utah)
Date: March 31, 2017 11:51PM
I'm detecting the same path Scottowl. Sold my MXT All Pro and coils, purchased a Racer 2 and picked up a 5" coil for it. Learning the 'Racer 2' language now. It is a process learning a new machine.

Best of luck -

Rich -



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