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Racer 2 and target ID question
Posted by: Kapok
Date: May 29, 2017 09:57PM
Everybody says that on targets much past 3-4", the VDI numbers are either misleading or just wrong, so you've got to ignore the VDI and hunt by the tones. (I've heard this said about many detectors). But here is my big disconnect--maybe somebody can help me understand: What's the relationship between the VDI numbers and the Racer's internal logic of identifying targets? Wouldn't changing the tone break numbers on the Racer 2 throw that off? Let's say I have the upper break in 3 tones set to 70. If the detector ID's a target as being in that range, and emits a high tone, why wouldn't the VDI reflect that? And if I change that break, then what?

I guess I'm just digging a lot of misidentified targets and an am having a hard time trusting what the Racer is telling me, especially targets at depth.

Thanks, and sorry if I'm just having a senior moment here--and I've probably not asked this in just the right way, but it's something I've been struggling with.



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Re: Racer 2 and target ID question
Posted by: Dreamweaver4849
Date: May 30, 2017 08:46PM
The best way for you to understand would be to just do what you are trying to explain. Take your detector out in your back yard with an assortment of targets, lay them out on the ground or bury them at whatever depth that your curious about and experiment with all of those settings. The different modes, sensitivity, break points all of it. Pay attention and learn the numbers you see and the sounds your hear. This way you learn by doing and experiencing rather than trying to understand someone else's interpretation. In this hobby you may ask five guys and get five different answers but it still may not seem to be the same as what you are experiencing. Learn what your machine is saying and showing you on those targets in a controlled environment and then when you're out hunting and it shows that or sounds that, you'll have that ah ha moment then you'll say oh I know what that number is or I know what that sound is. I hope this helps.

John

Target ID question
Posted by: Rich (Utah)
Date: June 09, 2017 12:27AM
Kapok,

I think most of us HOPE for the Target ID of our detectors to be 100% consistent. We'd like for the silver dimes and Indian Head Pennies and V Nickels and gold rings and pull tabs and aluminum foil and bottle caps and on and on to read in a consistent spot on the meter each and every time so that we can learn their spot and in the future walk on by the trash and dig up only the treasure. Truth of the matter is that these Target ID's can vary from a little bit to a lot, or not show up at all, due to many factors.

As you gain more experience hunting, and come to know the settings, sounds and Target ID response's of your detector(s) you will STILL find yourself surprised by an unexpected treasure when you thought you were digging up a known piece of junk. And the flip side of this is digging that FOR SURE good signal only to discover it is a piece of junk. Successful detectorists dig a lot of trash. It just doesn't get shown most of the time when it comes to SHOW AND TELL time on the forums and video venues. Trash and junk is not that interesting. People want to see the 'good stuff'.

Many of us have places we return to hunt again and again over the years, hopeful that a change in the local conditions, our hunting methods or equipment will help us in finding good targets that ourselves and others left behind on previous hunts. Success often comes as we start digging more of the 'iffy' targets that weren't good enough for us last go round as well as removing trash which reveals good targets beneath or finding out they weren't trash after all.

Best of luck out there with your machine,


Rich -



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Excellent response, Rich! :thumbup:N/T
Posted by: Monte
Date: June 09, 2017 08:08AM

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Re: Excellent response, Rich! :thumbup:
Posted by: Kapok
Date: June 09, 2017 08:32AM
I guess what I was trying to ask was a technical question about the relationship between the tone adjust and target ID on the Racer. I'm in my 50s and have been detecting for many years, but this Racer is a new platform for me. I'm getting to know and appreciate its unique capabilities more each outing. But thanks for your input, everyone.



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Re: Excellent response, Rich! :thumbup:
Posted by: Dave_E
Date: June 09, 2017 12:29PM
I just got back from a lunchtime detecting session.

I was using the big 15" RC40 coil on my Racer 2.
3 tone mode, with tones breaking at 28 and 63.

I was hitting a target that audibly was a "crackling" high tone. No mid or low tones whatsoever.
The TID was bouncing between 44-47 though. It ended up being a 1930 wheat penny and a foil piece co-located.
Could have been the big coils inability to separate the 2 targets, but I've never had the Racer 2 sound high, but only display mid #'s before.

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Re: Excellent response, Rich! :thumbup:
Posted by: Kapok
Date: June 09, 2017 01:25PM
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Dave_E
I just got back from a lunchtime detecting session.

I was using the big 15" RC40 coil on my Racer 2.
3 tone mode, with tones breaking at 28 and 63.

I was hitting a target that audibly was a "crackling" high tone. No mid or low tones whatsoever.
The TID was bouncing between 44-47 though. It ended up being a 1930 wheat penny and a foil piece co-located.
Could have been the big coils inability to separate the 2 targets, but I've never had the Racer 2 sound high, but only display mid #'s before.

Interesting. Foil would ID in the teens and a copper penny in the mid 70s. Maybe it added them together and divided by two. :smile:



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2017 01:26PM by Kapok.

Re: Excellent response, Rich! :thumbup:
Posted by: Sonnyd
Date: June 12, 2017 01:16PM
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Kapok
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Dave_E
I just got back from a lunchtime detecting session.

I was using the big 15" RC40 coil on my Racer 2.
3 tone mode, with tones breaking at 28 and 63.

I was hitting a target that audibly was a "crackling" high tone. No mid or low tones whatsoever.
The TID was bouncing between 44-47 though. It ended up being a 1930 wheat penny and a foil piece co-located.
Could have been the big coils inability to separate the 2 targets, but I've never had the Racer 2 sound high, but only display mid #'s before.

Interesting. Foil would ID in the teens and a copper penny in the mid 70s. Maybe it added them together and divided by two. :smile:

You laugh!, lol, but my Fors Relic, will give me a good 90-91 on a Quarter, the other day I got a strong 96-97, I was figuring this is gonna be weird, and when I dug it, it was 2 Quarters in the same hole, about 3" deep. it does the same thing on all coins I've dug so far. I do get significantly lower number on coins the deeper they are. I've had deep zinc pennies, show about 62-63, and after digging 4 or 5".... I recheck it will up to 72-73 or there about. of course if they are on edge, everything goes out the window..... I Love the Mystery....

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