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Re: Sometimes what we see isn't the obvious. :shocked:
Posted by: Old Virginia
Date: July 12, 2017 09:43AM
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When I said to complicated, perhaps I should have said to complicated for me, coz I ain't the brightest star in the sky...lol:crazy::cheers:

Matt
Matt, I am sure you wouldn't have much trouble picking up on the simplicity of the new Impact.

Yes, the Racer and Racer 2 seem to be simpler, but I have a couple of friends who also think they are easily confused and that the Impact would be too complicated, so I asked them to check it out. Not read the manual, just grab hold and think it through as I sat in the shade and talked them through the set-up. I told them they could learn more down the road and it would all come naturally, and that the start-up is in 14 kHz, similar to their Racer 2, and I had it set to start up on Di3 with the small coil, like they have their Racer 2's set up.

No problems, really, and after I answered a few questions and had them going for 5-10 minutes, I just stepped away and let them enjoy the 'learning' while they hunted. Looking at the new Impact, with the extra search modes and adjustment options, seemed like it obviously going to b a more complicated detector to use. As they found out, and others as well, what seemed like an obvious learning challenge turned out to be far more simpler than they imagined, with very functional settings that were easily accessed.

As I have stated to customers when I helped out at dealer friend's shops, or when I started dealing in detectors back in '77. or in my detecting seminars since '81, or in any presentation to a group or an easy answer to an individuals questions about what I look for and how I choose detectors I want, there are three categories or qualifiers:

I like 'Simple' and that means a detector that is not complex and confusing, and has adjustment controls that are straight forward in what they are and what they do, and do not require counter adjustments of other control features when you make a change.

I like 'Functional' which simply means a detector lacks excess adjustments or some that have little to no real merit and could be eliminated (to keep things 'Simple'), but does have important or necessary adjustment features that provide adequate operator control for a more versatile detector.

And I can't forget 'Performance' because without that, what's the use in going out to have some fun detecting? I want to have sufficient, versatile performance from any detector I keep in my personal detector battery, and that includes them being able to work in a wide range of hunting environments, with means they will also need to have two or more search coils for them to provide the most efficient results.

My Nokta FORS CoRe units work well for me, in many applications, and they are 'Simple,' Functional' and provide exceptional 'Performance.' The same goes for my Nokta FORS Relic models, my Makro Racer 2 device, and without a hesitation I can assure you it also applies to my two Nokta Impacts.

Maybe a wee bit of extra "learning curve" time needed, but only a wee bit. The Impact is a splendid example of how to provide ample functional and versatility, yet keep everything so simple. Matter-of-fact, I have my foursome ready to load right now (a CoRe, a Relic, an Impact and a Tesoro) as it's 6:13 and I'm hitting post and heading out to beat the heat this morning. I'll be grabbing my Impact first as the site I am headed to produced a worn Standing Liberty Quarter on my last visit working the 5" DD in dense debris.

Monte

Monte - great summation. I hope you make some GREAT finds today!!

Re: Choices, choices
Posted by: Low-Boy/LCPM
Date: July 12, 2017 10:48AM
The Impact is the Racer and racer 2 and most of their whole line in one machine with three freq. A great machine I think better than the deus. I would get the Impact it has updates and great coils and is not heavy. It is very sturdy but balanced. Took me a month to get the hand of it. I have the racer and the deus and use the Impact as my main unit...



LowBoy {RACER /DEUS}

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Re: Choices, choices
Posted by: Old Virginia
Date: July 12, 2017 12:09PM
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Low-Boy/LCPM
The Impact is the Racer and racer 2 and most of their whole line in one machine with three freq. A great machine I think better than the deus. I would get the Impact it has updates and great coils and is not heavy. It is very sturdy but balanced. Took me a month to get the hand of it. I have the racer and the deus and use the Impact as my main unit...

Thanks LowBoy. I got a really good deal on trading my XP Deus in on a Racer 2 Pro Package. I'm going to see how the R2 does for me. I may get an Impact at some point in the near future.

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Re: Choices, choices
Posted by: Kapok
Date: July 12, 2017 03:26PM
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Low-Boy/LCPM
The Impact is the Racer and racer 2 and most of their whole line in one machine with three freq. A great machine I think better than the deus. I would get the Impact it has updates and great coils and is not heavy. It is very sturdy but balanced. Took me a month to get the hand of it. I have the racer and the deus and use the Impact as my main unit...

Thanks LowBoy. I got a really good deal on trading my XP Deus in on a Racer 2 Pro Package. I'm going to see how the R2 does for me. I may get an Impact at some point in the near future.

What did you not like about the Deus that made you want to trade it away?



Ridding the world of pulltabs, one plug at a time | Makro Racer 2 | Minelab Explorer SE

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Re: Choices, choices
Posted by: Old Virginia
Date: July 13, 2017 10:31AM
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Low-Boy/LCPM
The Impact is the Racer and racer 2 and most of their whole line in one machine with three freq. A great machine I think better than the deus. I would get the Impact it has updates and great coils and is not heavy. It is very sturdy but balanced. Took me a month to get the hand of it. I have the racer and the deus and use the Impact as my main unit...

Thanks LowBoy. I got a really good deal on trading my XP Deus in on a Racer 2 Pro Package. I'm going to see how the R2 does for me. I may get an Impact at some point in the near future.

What did you not like about the Deus that made you want to trade it away?

I'm sure part of the issue is just me and I may have mastered it with more time, but here's my thoughts on it.

* I thought the learning curve was a bit steep.
* I tried all the factory settings and several custom programs and could never get the depth some folks are claiming.
* I saw no better separation in iron that I get with the AT Pro and the 5x8 coil. Actually, it could not compete with my AT Pro in that environment.
* I did not like the menu layout. That may be just personal likes/dislikes, but I found it cumbersome and clumsy.
* Pinpointing was challenging.
* Deep iron ringing as silver (though I finally adapted to that issue).

I did love the weight, the wireless feature and the compactness. At some point, I may actually get another one in the future, but just wanted to try the Racer 2 and came across a good opportunity.

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