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The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: September 16, 2017 09:22PM
For me, that is the REAL question on this unit. The details regarding the multi-frequency mode.

User-selectable frequencies for different conditions, super. All frequency options running through the same coil, super. FAST recovery, super. LIGHTWEIGHT, super. Wireless, super. Lithium long-life battery, super. Etc. etc. I am loving these things that the Equinox will offer. I am confident it will do each of these things very well, up to Minelab standards. But, I truly believe that if this machine wants to be a game-changer, what will push it over the top will have to come from the performance of the multi-frequency mode. Short of that, it's likely to be on a much more level playing field with machines like the Deus, etc. Sure, it will compete, and the lower price point will help it compete strongly, but for me to #1 -- choose this INSTEAD of the Deus, or other similar fast, lightweight, good-in-iron units, and #2 -- have my Explorer pried from my hands, Minelab will have to pull me in specifically with the performance of the multi-frequency mode. As a person who primarily "turf hunts" for deep, old coins, I NEED the performance that FBS affords to be successful -- that being unmatched ID (numerical and tonal), through the entire depth capability of the unit. IF -- IF -- the multi-frequency mode on this unit is FBS-based, or at least performs equal to, or even a tad better than, FBS-style multi-frequency technology -- in terms of depth, and ID at depth, I'M IN.

In other words, if this unit does everything that it looks like it will do, AND -- hitting the multi-frequency mode button puts you in "FBS mode," where you are essentially running an improved version of the Explorer/E-Trac (including Explorer/E-Trac tones, and FE and CO numbers on the screen), then Minelab will likely have hit a "grand slam," in my opinion.

I doubt the multi-frequency mode will be "FBS," or even "FBS-like." But however it works, I truly believe that how this mode performs for deep-coin hunters in turf is what will be the one thing that pushes this unit over the edge, to truly "make all single-frequency VLF units obsolete," as their marketing strategy claims...

PLEASE, Minelab, while the machine is still in "pre-release" stages, PLEASE use FBS technology for your "multi-frequency" mode, and give us an FE/CO number plus Explorer/E-Trac sounds in that mode...

EVEN IF you incorporate this idea into a "1000" model -- the 600 without prospecting mode, the 800 with, and the 1000 which adds "FBS multifrequency mode," and price that one at say $850 to $900...I'm IN!

PLEASE, Minelab....

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Explorer SE Pro
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK



Edited 12 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2017 09:41PM by sgoss66.

Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: September 16, 2017 09:58PM
Awesome Steve...perfectly said. If I'm swinging something that is as light as my Compadre with the features and capabilities of my Explorer...and I can throw it on a small creek with no worries...I AM IN!!

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Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: September 16, 2017 10:21PM
So, reading a bit more about the unit, it looks like the multi-frequency technology is being called Multi-IQ simultaneous multi-frequency technology. So, it's apparently not "FBS." HOPEFULLY, it is "FBS-like." I really, really want to hear the details of this "Multi-IQ" technology. I hope this is thoroughly tested, as I would expect that it is THIS MODE that would be used by coin hunters in turf-type settings.

As I said, if it can match FBS quality in terms of ID through the entire depth range of the machine, hopefully with FE and CO readout and "Explorer/E-Trac tones," this would really, really be a game-changing machine IMO.

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Explorer SE Pro
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/16/2017 10:25PM by sgoss66.

Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Blank Planet
Date: September 17, 2017 02:43AM
from my experience with tectors for the most part I get what I pay for..

if it is that good minelab will just axe all other VLF detectors and sell this one :thumbup:

if they do that I will buy one :shrug:

reality is all we have seen is a air test, like the racer 2 can do 3 feet on a coin in air deep mode , great party trick but means nothing in the dirt.

time will tell as they say..

would love to flog of my ctx for one of these but something tells me I maybe disappointed :rant:

happy to be wrong !!

BP

Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Doctorcoinz
Date: September 17, 2017 03:09AM
The Equinox does not have the 2 FE CO numbers from what i see. I don't think they would try make the equinox too good or no one would buy the CTX...
I like how Minelab says it obsolete's other single freq machines , i mean that is one BIG BIG statement to make! , just in what way will it obsolete other machines,
I think for me to obsolete other vlf machines the equinox would have to punch down lets say 20% to 30% Deeper. There are plenty of fast machines about these days
so it has to have a fair bit deeper detection for me for it to warrant this amazing claim.. I think it's going to be a very good detector , i will be buying one eventually!

Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Doctorcoinz
Date: September 17, 2017 03:11AM
Yes i agree detecting a coin at 3 feet in air proves nothing , same coin buried might get 4 inches in some dirt , most people don't understand that fact..

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Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: earthmansurfer
Date: September 17, 2017 04:25AM
Since this is not FBS, I think they don't have the FE and CO numbers (as a possibility). If they do, I hope to see it available in the 1200 (if they make a higher model. ;-) or as an USB upgrade.
I can accept not having a 2D screen, as the light weight, speed, FBS like sound, etc. is enough to sway me. But, how about an E-Trac replacement model that is between the 600/800 Equinox and CTX?
I don't think the CTX sold super well due to the price and it is due for a replacement/upgrade (5 years old?), so if Minelab can build something something higher end for 1200 bucks, they will come.

Minelab, thanks for finally listening though!



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Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: calabash digger
Date: September 17, 2017 08:56AM
As a relic hunter that multi freq at the same time is very interesting. If it handles iron very well and has decent depth it will be a relic game changer imo. Look at the price range just knocked the max and impact down and put some pressure on others. I hunt a site in 7kh , 17 kh and now 28 kh so I have to go over it at least 3x. What if I could run all those freq at once? game changer! IF DEPTH IS DECENT AND HANDLES IRON WELL....



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Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Doctorcoinz
Date: September 17, 2017 10:36AM
Yes the detector should have the ability especially on worked out sites to find the good targets missed with other detectors.
The proof of just how good the equinox is will be when the videos start coming on u tube with the depth tests compared to other Detectors.
That 40 Khz looks tempting to try when hunting Gold including Gold Rings. I found 2 with another detector running near 40 Khz.
The equinox looks bottom heavy though , might need a counter balance weight near the arm cuff lol...

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Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Miser67
Date: September 18, 2017 03:31PM
This is my biggest question also. How will it work on wet salt sand in multi-frequency mode?

Will you get at least coil sized depth and accurate target ID at coil sized depth, or does is fail to ground balance properly in wet salt?

If works, it will truly be the first all-terrain detector at that price point I've ever seen.

Fingers are crossed!



As always, any post I make here is solely my opinion based on my own experience and knowledge. Feel free to disagree.

Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: September 18, 2017 03:51PM
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Miser67
This is my biggest question also. How will it work on wet salt sand in multi-frequency mode?

Will you get at least coil sized depth and accurate target ID at coil sized depth, or does is fail to ground balance properly in wet salt?

If works, it will truly be the first all-terrain detector at that price point I've ever seen.

Fingers are crossed!

It should work well on the salt wet like all multi freq machines . One of the video's it says so .



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Explorer 11 (might sell) , Minelab Explorer XS , Minelab Equinox 800 x 2 (ordered) , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters

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Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Jason in Enid
Date: September 18, 2017 08:40PM
The factory info put out says that it uses 2 simultaneous circuits. One is a multifreq that is constantly measuring mineralization and making adjustments for that. The other circuit is the single freq detecting channel.

Ground minerals are the number 1 limiting factor on detection depth (like when you can air test to 3 feet but nothing remotely close to that in the ground). If they have improved ground compensation of the multifreqs (the biggest killer of single freq detectors) while still allowing the speed of single freq channel analysis (which is what they seem to be saying) then yes, this will make all conventional single freq detectors obsolete.

I mean, think about it. What has everyone been complaining about for years? they complain that minelab multifreqs are too slow to analyse and require too slow of swing speeds. Everyone love how fast the single freqs are but they lack ground comp and they lack a lot of the analysis of co-located targets. Here we have a machine that may just bridge all those gaps. At the very least it seems you can flip back and forth in modes. E-Trac and CTX have been known as silver killers but lack that ability to see tiny or weak gold signals. 40K will stomp that problem.

Right now though, its all speculation since we can only see a few seconds of use from a couple people who got to test them. Once they hit the streets its going to be all sunshine and lolipop reports as everyone LOVES it. Give them a few months and we will see the truth come out. The problems will creep up, solutions will be discussed and discovered and then see how people still think of them a year later.

Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: September 18, 2017 09:10PM
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Jason in Enid
The factory info put out says that it uses 2 simultaneous circuits. One is a multifreq that is constantly measuring mineralization and making adjustments for that. The other circuit is the single freq detecting channel.

Ground minerals are the number 1 limiting factor on detection depth (like when you can air test to 3 feet but nothing remotely close to that in the ground). If they have improved ground compensation of the multifreqs (the biggest killer of single freq detectors) while still allowing the speed of single freq channel analysis (which is what they seem to be saying) then yes, this will make all conventional single freq detectors obsolete.

I mean, think about it. What has everyone been complaining about for years? they complain that minelab multifreqs are too slow to analyse and require too slow of swing speeds. Everyone love how fast the single freqs are but they lack ground comp and they lack a lot of the analysis of co-located targets. Here we have a machine that may just bridge all those gaps. At the very least it seems you can flip back and forth in modes. E-Trac and CTX have been known as silver killers but lack that ability to see tiny or weak gold signals. 40K will stomp that problem.

Right now though, its all speculation since we can only see a few seconds of use from a couple people who got to test them. Once they hit the streets its going to be all sunshine and lolipop reports as everyone LOVES it. Give them a few months and we will see the truth come out. The problems will creep up, solutions will be discussed and discovered and then see how people still think of them a year later.

So you are NOT selling your CTX tonight? :devil:

Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Stix
Date: September 18, 2017 09:27PM
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Jason in Enid
The factory info put out says that it uses 2 simultaneous circuits. One is a multifreq that is constantly measuring mineralization and making adjustments for that. The other circuit is the single freq detecting channel.

Ground minerals are the number 1 limiting factor on detection depth (like when you can air test to 3 feet but nothing remotely close to that in the ground). If they have improved ground compensation of the multifreqs (the biggest killer of single freq detectors) while still allowing the speed of single freq channel analysis (which is what they seem to be saying) then yes, this will make all conventional single freq detectors obsolete.

I mean, think about it. What has everyone been complaining about for years? they complain that minelab multifreqs are too slow to analyse and require too slow of swing speeds. Everyone love how fast the single freqs are but they lack ground comp and they lack a lot of the analysis of co-located targets. Here we have a machine that may just bridge all those gaps. At the very least it seems you can flip back and forth in modes. E-Trac and CTX have been known as silver killers but lack that ability to see tiny or weak gold signals. 40K will stomp that problem.

Right now though, its all speculation since we can only see a few seconds of use from a couple people who got to test them. Once they hit the streets its going to be all sunshine and lolipop reports as everyone LOVES it. Give them a few months and we will see the truth come out. The problems will creep up, solutions will be discussed and discovered and then see how people still think of them a year later.

Hmmm who called that on :).......

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Re: The Multi-Frequency mode...
Posted by: Jason in Enid
Date: September 19, 2017 08:30AM
not yet. I'm pre-ordering a EQ. We will have to see how it stacks up. I did the same when the CTX came I out. I held my E-Trac, but a year later I hadn't picked it back up so I sold it. Time will tell!

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