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Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: OregonGregg
Date: September 18, 2017 10:57AM
If I had the Etrac, I wouldn't be in any hurry getting rid of it thinking that the new Equinox will replace it. I would try the new Equinox first and then decide. If you primarily are hunting old parks and chasing deep silver.........

If it is a very fast recovery machine, then I am sure there will be trade-offs. It might or might not detect as deep as the Etrac, but I doubt that it will ID targets at depth, as well as the Etrac can. In fact, you might start seeing small flat iron etc. ringing in as non-ferrous. I really see this machine complementing the Etrac/CTX etc. It is a lite machine, waterproof to 10 feet, fast recovery(handling trashy sites better etc) This would be my go-to general purpose machine and if I wanted to do more specific types of detecting, such as "Deep" silver.....then I would grab an Etrac. ( as an afterthought if it does offer a "reactivity" setting.........)

The 800 model offers 5 freq and a multi ( so six total if you count the "Multi") It looks like the new machine gives a single VDI number. So if that is true then you will be faced with six different sets of VDI numbers, one for each freq. So the next question is do they offer the option to "normalize" the VDI numbers and if so to what freq are they normalized to? What numeric scale do they use, is it similar to Whites -95 to +95 or is it a 0-99 scale and where is the ferrous non-ferrous breakpoint? Does it offer any kind of iron audio volume adjustments, is it a single tone or multi-tones machine, and if multi tones does it offer the ability to set tone breaks ?? etc etc etc. A picture of a guy jumping from an airplane doesn't really answer too many questions. Lots of questions still out there about this machine.

I find it funny that the whole premise of this machine is that it will obsolete single freq machines and yet the machine can run in 5 different single freq. So Minelab says single freq is obsolete, but we will let you run your machine in five different obsolete modes LOL. I think people need to pay less atten. to marketing hype and just look at the specs and features to see what it might offer.



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Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: September 18, 2017 11:12AM
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OregonGregg
If I had the Etrac, I wouldn't be in any hurry getting rid of it thinking that the new Equinox will replace it. I would try the new Equinox first and then decide. If you primarily are hunting old parks and chasing deep silver.........

If it is a very fast recovery machine, then I am sure there will be trade-offs. It might or might not detect as deep as the Etrac, but I doubt that it will ID targets at depth, as well as the Etrac can. In fact, you might start seeing small flat iron etc. ringing in as non-ferrous. I really see this machine complementing the Etrac/CTX etc. It is a lite machine, waterproof to 10 feet, fast recovery(handling trashy sites better etc) This would be my go-to general purpose machine and if I wanted to do more specific types of detecting, such as "Deep" silver.....then I would grab an Etrac. ( as an afterthought if it does offer a "reactivity" setting.........)

The 800 model offers 5 freq and a multi ( so six total if you count the "Multi") It looks like the new machine gives a single VDI number. So if that is true then you will be faced with six different sets of VDI numbers, one for each freq. So the next question is do they offer the option to "normalize" the VDI numbers and if so to what freq are they normalized to? What numeric scale do they use, is it similar to Whites -95 to +95 or is it a 0-99 scale and where is the ferrous non-ferrous breakpoint? Does it offer any kind of iron audio volume adjustments, is it a single tone or multi-tones machine, and if multi tones does it offer the ability to set tone breaks ?? etc etc etc. A picture of a guy jumping from an airplane doesn't really answer too many questions. Lots of questions still out there about this machine.

I find it funny that the whole premise of this machine is that it will obsolete single freq machines and yet the machine can run in 5 different single freq. So Minelab says single freq is obsolete, but we will let you run your machine in five different obsolete modes LOL. I think people need to pay less atten. to marketing hype and just look at the specs and features to see what it might offer.


It has 5 frequencies . 5 10 15 20 40 . Multi is all of those together . When you look at what is says is there are 6 settings , the first 5 are single then the multi which is all 5 . Still that will be enough.
I have used the Terra 705 and this is very similar in design though freqs are different but the Terra 705 had a good depth for Silver , i also suspect the Equinox will be better on Gold due to the high freq .
The ET and CTX have trade offs too . I have been told that even though the ET and CTX have 28 freqs that they only search in small groups of freqs at a time and the freqs are chosen automatically depending on the ground or site which the machine can determine , also that they are linked to the noise channels .
As for the numbers on the Equinox , i would not be too bothered with them , listen to the machine . If set up right and you have the right headphones then you will know what targets they are . I learned the Terra like that and after a while i could go on a beach and know exactly what i was digging almost every time .

Your last bit about making all single freq machines obsolete , in a way thats true. It will be able to swich from 1 to multi and no other can do that and the patent will see to it that no other company other than Chinese !!! will either. And this machine even with the multi freq function on will be faster than the Deus .

XP are going to have a fit if the Equinox is as good as the info says . I hope so.



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Explorer 11 (might sell) , Minelab Explorer XS , Minelab Equinox 800 x 2 (ordered) , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters

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Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Champ Ferguson
Date: September 18, 2017 11:18AM
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No way I'd ever give up target trace. There will always be a place for TT in my arsenal of detectors.

Remember folks, all we've seen is an air test (impressive!) and advertising.
I'm not dogging the Equinox; just saying I hope the real world results match the claims. And if they do (and I believe they will), then I'm in.

Mine will replace my Excalibur 11 , dont dive so 10 feet will be enough. Though i'm not sure about the headphone supplied.

Pretty much has to be waterproof so it can snorkel with the 3m detector, I'd think.



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Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: September 18, 2017 11:22AM
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Champ Ferguson
No way I'd ever give up target trace. There will always be a place for TT in my arsenal of detectors.

Remember folks, all we've seen is an air test (impressive!) and advertising.
I'm not dogging the Equinox; just saying I hope the real world results match the claims. And if they do (and I believe they will), then I'm in.

Mine will replace my Excalibur 11 , dont dive so 10 feet will be enough. Though i'm not sure about the headphone supplied.

Pretty much has to be waterproof so it can snorkel with the 3m detector, I'd think.

I cant swim LOL but bought the Excal so i didn't have to worry about dropping it . I have yet to use my Excal but i find it too heavy and i think my bones are complaining about the weight so the new machine is ideal. Will have to investigate about headphones . i bet that will be an optional extra but i dont need them , wont be going under so the wireless set or my Gray Ghosts will do.



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Explorer 11 (might sell) , Minelab Explorer XS , Minelab Equinox 800 x 2 (ordered) , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Stix
Date: September 18, 2017 11:49AM
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OregonGregg
If I had the Etrac, I wouldn't be in any hurry getting rid of it thinking that the new Equinox will replace it. I would try the new Equinox first and then decide. If you primarily are hunting old parks and chasing deep silver.........

If it is a very fast recovery machine, then I am sure there will be trade-offs. It might or might not detect as deep as the Etrac, but I doubt that it will ID targets at depth, as well as the Etrac can. In fact, you might start seeing small flat iron etc. ringing in as non-ferrous. I really see this machine complementing the Etrac/CTX etc. It is a lite machine, waterproof to 10 feet, fast recovery(handling trashy sites better etc) This would be my go-to general purpose machine and if I wanted to do more specific types of detecting, such as "Deep" silver.....then I would grab an Etrac. ( as an afterthought if it does offer a "reactivity" setting.........)

The 800 model offers 5 freq and a multi ( so six total if you count the "Multi") It looks like the new machine gives a single VDI number. So if that is true then you will be faced with six different sets of VDI numbers, one for each freq. So the next question is do they offer the option to "normalize" the VDI numbers and if so to what freq are they normalized to? What numeric scale do they use, is it similar to Whites -95 to +95 or is it a 0-99 scale and where is the ferrous non-ferrous breakpoint? Does it offer any kind of iron audio volume adjustments, is it a single tone or multi-tones machine, and if multi tones does it offer the ability to set tone breaks ?? etc etc etc. A picture of a guy jumping from an airplane doesn't really answer too many questions. Lots of questions still out there about this machine.

I find it funny that the whole premise of this machine is that it will obsolete single freq machines and yet the machine can run in 5 different single freq. So Minelab says single freq is obsolete, but we will let you run your machine in five different obsolete modes LOL. I think people need to pay less atten. to marketing hype and just look at the specs and features to see what it might offer.


It has 5 frequencies . 5 10 15 20 40 . Multi is all of those together . When you look at what is says is there are 6 settings , the first 5 are single then the multi which is all 5 . Still that will be enough.
I have used the Terra 705 and this is very similar in design though freqs are different but the Terra 705 had a good depth for Silver , i also suspect the Equinox will be better on Gold due to the high freq .
The ET and CTX have trade offs too . I have been told that even though the ET and CTX have 28 freqs that they only search in small groups of freqs at a time and the freqs are chosen automatically depending on the ground or site which the machine can determine , also that they are linked to the noise channels .
As for the numbers on the Equinox , i would not be too bothered with them , listen to the machine . If set up right and you have the right headphones then you will know what targets they are . I learned the Terra like that and after a while i could go on a beach and know exactly what i was digging almost every time .

Your last bit about making all single freq machines obsolete , in a way thats true. It will be able to swich from 1 to multi and no other can do that and the patent will see to it that no other company other than Chinese !!! will either. And this machine even with the multi freq function on will be faster than the Deus .

XP are going to have a fit if the Equinox is as good as the info says . I hope so.

Can't the Whites V3i do 1 or multi frequencies? If so I wonder how they got around the patent.

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: September 18, 2017 11:54AM
I think there is a difference. , think the Whites do use their 3 freqs together and the ET etc use groups of the ones they have ?

Either way those companies may have the tech sown up.



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Explorer 11 (might sell) , Minelab Explorer XS , Minelab Equinox 800 x 2 (ordered) , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters



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Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Stix
Date: September 18, 2017 12:02PM
Whites looks like it does 1 of the three or all 3 (Multi). I think the Whites can separate each frequency tho and display the reading for each. Sounds the same to me. Interesting. Will need to hear more.

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: September 18, 2017 12:05PM
There is a difference but i could not say , if they were the same then they would be up for the courts . Whichever.



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Explorer 11 (might sell) , Minelab Explorer XS , Minelab Equinox 800 x 2 (ordered) , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: sprchng
Date: September 18, 2017 12:22PM
It's really pretty simple .
It's nor BBS or FBS or simple multi frequency analyses but Minelab's "Multi-IQ"
I surmise from the implication that all other multi frequency processes are stupid.

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: DigImust
Date: September 19, 2017 05:10PM
As Ronald Reagan once said about the Soviets and nuclear disarmament, "Trust, but verify". I'm hopeful the Equinox will perform as Minelab has predicted. But I'm not ready to mothball my Etrac either.

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: September 19, 2017 05:43PM
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DigImust
As Ronald Reagan once said about the Soviets and nuclear disarmament, "Trust, but verify". I'm hopeful the Equinox will perform as Minelab has predicted. But I'm not ready to mothball my Etrac either.

Are you Joe D ? "Trust . But verify" .

I wont junk my ET either but the new machine if as good as said will save my bones from crumbling to dust .

I think this wont be the last lightweight machine from Minelab , another will be along to replace the ET and the CTX soon . I think in 2 or 3 years time.



Uses = Minelab E.Trac , Minelab Explorer 11 (might sell) , Minelab Explorer XS , Minelab Equinox 800 x 2 (ordered) , Garrett Probes , Gray Ghost/ Nugget Busters

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: tometusns
Date: September 19, 2017 07:29PM
Made up my mind today... Rollin the dice... Etrac for sale gonna give the Equinox a go. Like I said earlier I've been using a lighter machine now for quite some time. Looking forward to getting a light weight, waterproof, multi frequency machine. Thanks for the input from everyone but I'm just not using the Etrac anymore even as good as it is remember this it's my second one

Re: This older guy can't wait!!
Posted by: tometusns
Date: September 19, 2017 07:34PM
Made up my mind today... Rollin the dice... Etrac for sale gonna give the Equinox a go. Like I said earlier I've been using a lighter machine now for quite some time. Looking forward to getting a light weight, waterproof, multi frequency machine. Thanks for the input from everyone but I'm just not using the Etrac anymore even as good as it is, remember this is my second one but my body just wants a lighter machine now. Without trying to be redundant Minelab's got a lightweight, waterproof, multi frequency machine... I'm Rollin the dice

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