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An Excellent Point
Posted by: wpaxt
Date: October 19, 2017 12:44PM
I'm sure you are right. To come out with a new, lower priced detector that is advertised as beating the higher priced models STILL IN THE PRODUCT LINE would make no sense.

This press release was meant to get current owners to add the Equinox to their arsenal or suggest to new buyers that they should own multiple machines.

Bill (S. CA)

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Posted by: Hello
Date: October 19, 2017 01:39PM
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masterjedi
Thanks for the link...

A quote from the link >>> "however BBS/FBS still have an advantage for finding high conductive silver coins in all conditions." The Etrac and CTX still will rule the old silver coin world. I love my Etrac and CTX. I will buy the 800 for my grandson to use when he is here in Oregon.
A quote from another detector manufacturer said common sense tells you that fbs/bbs wont be any deeper than the lowest probing single frequency VLF detector, not sure if it went to court this was about 17 years ago and they said it was false advertising after Minelab were showing a diagram of their Explorer detectors probing much deeper than their competitors,

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Posted by: Southwind
Date: October 19, 2017 02:11PM
I'm not fully convinced of that. I've used a heck of a lot of detectors both single & multi frequency, and my experience was none were as deep as the BBS/FBS's. Not so much deeper physically, but in the ability of the detector to accurately tell the user when a very deep coin was below the coil.

If the Equinox could just match the performance/accuracy of the E-Trac/CTX I'd be happy. A 2 1/2 E-Trac with a good fast processor and wireless. I'd be a happy camper at $900.



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Posted by: Ksdirt
Date: October 19, 2017 02:20PM
I'm still getting the nox but sounds like the one after gold are going to like it .....I'm mainly a silver digger...does seem like a let down tho...:shrug:

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Posted by: cintitomcat
Date: October 19, 2017 03:06PM
Seems I read a post somewhere here that someone hunting along side both the ctx and the etrac and the nox was hitting on deep coins the the other 2 didn't pick up. Don't give up yet.

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Posted by: amberjack
Date: October 19, 2017 03:48PM
its fun to read all this on what others think, but I believe minelab on this not what others want to see in the blog post , and yep if your a detectorist who wants one detector that does it all pretty well then from what I read this is a great all rounder, but have read nothing that would make me sell ctx, etrac, deus to buy this detector that would be a step backwards.. if I just want a light do it all pretty well to take on a road trip or what ever then the IQ would be a great addition.

so not an in place of but another detector which is great if you need another one :bouncy:

AJ

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Posted by: Southwind
Date: October 19, 2017 04:01PM
I basically just need two detector at this time. One, my E-Trac, for the super deep hard hit coin sites. I've tried the Deus and all the "they go just as deep" detectors but none was as a reliable consistent producer like the E-Trac/CTX. My second need is for the best tot lot detector I can get my hands on. Again, I've tried them all. The Deus is my top pick, but the price difference compared to the advantage over the AT Pro just wasn't worth it. The AT Pro easily hit every piece of gold the Deus did but the Deus was a tad deeper. Along cam the Racer 2. I find the R2 to be slightly deeper than the AT Pro or at least very close, but it does a better job relic hunting. I don't do a lot of relic hunting but I do now and then. So right now I still have both the AT Pro and the Racer 2.

From what I see in the videos, I don't trust any testers so called "reviews" I want to see and hear it for myself. What I see and hear I like. It seems to have the same tones as the E-Trac, which in my opinion are one of the E-Tracs strongest assets, we know its light and wireless. My thoughts are with a single 40 kHz (800 model) it SHOULD do well as a tot lot detector. Only my testing will tell.



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Posted by: amberjack
Date: October 19, 2017 04:27PM
that's it we all have different hunting needs and 100% agree I am the best tester of any detector as I am the one who will be using it and the signals last processing happens in my cranium not someone else's :buds:

so knowing what I need and what I need it for is what this is all about.. and well I cant find a place going on minelabs honest report so far that I have a need for the IQ want sure need no.

I will wait and see if that becomes a need but not as yet.. more minelab part 2 etc needed for final confirmation :wave:

AJ

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Posted by: sgoss66
Date: October 19, 2017 05:03PM
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Hello
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masterjedi
Thanks for the link...

A quote from the link >>> "however BBS/FBS still have an advantage for finding high conductive silver coins in all conditions." The Etrac and CTX still will rule the old silver coin world. I love my Etrac and CTX. I will buy the 800 for my grandson to use when he is here in Oregon.
A quote from another detector manufacturer said common sense tells you that fbs/bbs wont be any deeper than the lowest probing single frequency VLF detector, not sure if it went to court this was about 17 years ago and they said it was false advertising after Minelab were showing a diagram of their Explorer detectors probing much deeper than their competitors,

Hello,

What you were told by that other detector manufacturer ONE -- misses the point, and TWO -- I dare say is false.

FALSE, because if one machine is transmitting with greater power than a second machine of the same frequency, there COULD be a depth gain, but more importantly, if one detector does a better job dealing with the ground matrix than a second machine running the same frequency, the one dealing with the ground better would detect targets deeper. CLEARLY, some machines are deeper than others. Period. FALSE statement, whoever said it.

But, second, it MISSES THE POINT because, as others have alluded to in previous posts, multi-frequency can (and in the case of FBS, DOES) give you better target ID with depth. What good is a machine that can detect an 8" dime, but IDs it solidly as iron, versus a second machine that detects the same 8" dime, but IDs it as a dime? This is EXACTLY the scenario I have dealt with, with single-frequency machines versus FBS. I had an F70 that would detect ANY "deep" coin with a "15" ID -- in other words, IRON. Anything whatsoever beyond 7-8" gave a solid "IRON" ID number. Meanwhile, my Explorer can ID a coin with relatively good accuracy to the very limits of its depth capability. In terms of raw depth, the F70 was deeper -- ESPECIALLY in all-metal mode. By a few inches even. But accurate ID with depth, FBS is more accurate in my dirt by a good 3-4"...

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Explorer SE Pro
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

IF they designed this tech for the Military, its probably pretty good.
Posted by: bugg
Date: October 19, 2017 05:23PM
Plus the military probably paid thru the nose for the engineering of this stuff.
Just a guess on my part

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Posted by: Southwind
Date: October 19, 2017 06:24PM
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What good is a machine that can detect an 8" dime, but IDs it solidly as iron, versus a second machine that detects the same 8" dime, but IDs it as a dime?

Exactly what I've tried to explain to those who are always saying "My detector goes just as deep as the E-Trac/CTX" sgoss66. Yes many detectors will make a sound on those deep coins but what makes the FBS's special is the ability to accurately ID those sounds at greater depths.



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Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: October 19, 2017 06:24PM
Agree, and then there is the fact that Minelab uses expensive Litz wire in the transmit winding of the coil. One loop of common magnet wire is a single strand, one loop of litz wire may be 50 strands. But this is taking the red pill and diving deep down the rabbit hole.

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because if one machine is transmitting with greater power than a second machine of the same frequency, there COULD be a depth gain, but more importantly, if one detector does a better job dealing with the ground matrix than a second machine running the same frequency, the one dealing with the ground better would detect targets deeper. CLEARLY, some machines are deeper than others. Period. Steve


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Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: October 19, 2017 06:29PM
For those lamenting the NOX not going as deep on high conductive silver (and other copper, bronze) coins here's my gift to you...on your sites pounded to nothing with the FBS machines take the NOX in there with its higher frequencies and dig the coins on edge because it sounds like the NOX with its shift to higher frequencies will have the advantage on coins on edge, presenting the coil with a much smaller surface area facing the coil. :thumbup:

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Posted by: chipper97
Date: October 19, 2017 07:16PM
Charles, thanks for that bit of insight, re coins on edge response to higher frequencies. Another box checked for the Equinox.

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Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: October 19, 2017 07:31PM
Tip of the iceberg really. Minelabs statement on silver what was that in an air test? I get they are trying to be truthful and set expectations, or not kill off the CTX. But EQX and silver vs FBS and silver there's so many variations of that. Are there more coins that are simply deep vs hiding from FBS in the shadow of iron and trash? My money is on coins hiding from FBS so the EQX with its tighter target separation may produce on worn out sites. Silver coins just peeking out from under iron and trash, small bit of the coin to get a hit on, again higher frequency advantage. Small silver coins like 3 cent silvers and half dimes.

Now lets talk about the big one, mineralization because mineralization is a depth killer. Minelab is saying EQX will ID more accurately at depth vs FBS. The only way to pull that off is to better deal with mineralization at depth. Even in moderately mineralized soil, say the soil I typically hunted in Upstate NY the deeper the target, the more the signal was swamped by mineralization knocking the ID out of whack, cursor jumping around, until at FBS limits the target is completely swamped by the mineralization e.g. no target. So if the EQX handles this mineralization better than FBS does that equal more depth in mineralized soil? Likely. The mineralization here in the Pacific NW where I'm at now, its horrid, magnetic volcanic black sand trying to punch through this stuff to get depth is really annoying for an FBS machine.

So we'll see but there's no reason to get a boo boo face about the EQX and depth on silver vs FBS imo. Just my 2 cents worth.

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