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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: Rich (Utah)
Date: November 08, 2017 11:06PM
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I'm thinking of getting a used Etrac but wondered if its better to wait until the EQ 800's are out ? Don't know if they will perform as good as the etrac but they certainly are lighter which is a big plus to me !

Lets gather some information first. What type of detecting are you planning to do parks, home sites, fields, relics, beach? What area of the country do you live in, what's your local soil mineralization like?

The EQ has many new features that are attractive but lets consider the one that could be a game changer. Minelab is claiming the EQ will have more accurate target ID at deeper depths, if true that may be a game changer. The only way to do that is to better filter out the soil mineralization that's masking deeper targets. If you do that what just happened...depth just increased. Then if you consider sites have been beat to death with Explorers, eTracs, and now CTX's over the past 18 years a machine that can suddenly reach even 2 inches deeper with a target ID may re-open those sites, if deeper targets are down there of course.

Drop a silver dime into a plastic milk jug filled with water, that's an air test. Now put 1 drop of food coloring in the water, this represents soil mineralization. The detector can still see the dime so far so good, low mineralized soil. Add a few more drops, its getting more difficult to see the dime. Now pour the whole bottle in, the dime is no longer visible. This is the effect of soil mineralization and the more mineralized it is the quicker the target is swamped by soil mineralization and is no longer detectable.

And its not just max depth but target size. Half dimes, 3 cent silvers, $1 golds already due to their size are more difficult to detect at depths a dime/cent is still detectable. It will be interesting to see what the EQ can do based on target size vs the FBS/FBS2 machines.


Charles,

Well said.

Rich



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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: November 09, 2017 12:12AM
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Just to add to this...

I'm 47 years old, in good physical shape. I run 4-5 miles every other day, and I do a little weight lifting on the off days. I have always been an athlete, and still maintain an athletic build (6'2" tall, 185 pounds).

My problem is, swinging the Explorers will at times result in me fighting occasional bouts of tendonitis/tennis elbow. It's not that the machines are "too heavy" per se; obviously, if I work out doing curls with 45 pound dumbbells, in one sense that means that a 5-pound machine is not "heavy" as in "can't lift it/swing it." However, by "heavy," I think what many folks mean is that somehow, the weight, balance, angle of the handle -- whatever it is -- causes issues for some. It is just a very not-ergonomic machine. I used to hunt right-handed. Developed tennis elbow so bad from swinging the Explorer multiple hours a day, a couple of times per week, that I switched to swinging lefty. For several years now, I have hunted left-handed, but recently have been fighting through tennis elbow in the left elbow; I almost went back to right-handed, but the elbow seems to be improving now, after 6 to 9 months of irritating pain when swinging the machine.

SO, it's more than being "out of shape." There is something about these machines that for some, no matter how good of "shape" you are in, these things cause those "repetitive motion" type injuries in the elbow joint.

Steve

Steve,

A lot of brilliant people are/were left handed. You should stick with it.


Rich -

Ha ha, good point Rich! You are right, and I need all the help I can get! ;)

Steve



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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: November 09, 2017 12:25AM
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Rich (Utah)
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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mrcolin2u
I'm thinking of getting a used Etrac but wondered if its better to wait until the EQ 800's are out ? Don't know if they will perform as good as the etrac but they certainly are lighter which is a big plus to me !

Lets gather some information first. What type of detecting are you planning to do parks, home sites, fields, relics, beach? What area of the country do you live in, what's your local soil mineralization like?

The EQ has many new features that are attractive but lets consider the one that could be a game changer. Minelab is claiming the EQ will have more accurate target ID at deeper depths, if true that may be a game changer. The only way to do that is to better filter out the soil mineralization that's masking deeper targets. If you do that what just happened...depth just increased. Then if you consider sites have been beat to death with Explorers, eTracs, and now CTX's over the past 18 years a machine that can suddenly reach even 2 inches deeper with a target ID may re-open those sites, if deeper targets are down there of course.

Drop a silver dime into a plastic milk jug filled with water, that's an air test. Now put 1 drop of food coloring in the water, this represents soil mineralization. The detector can still see the dime so far so good, low mineralized soil. Add a few more drops, its getting more difficult to see the dime. Now pour the whole bottle in, the dime is no longer visible. This is the effect of soil mineralization and the more mineralized it is the quicker the target is swamped by soil mineralization and is no longer detectable.

And its not just max depth but target size. Half dimes, 3 cent silvers, $1 golds already due to their size are more difficult to detect at depths a dime/cent is still detectable. It will be interesting to see what the EQ can do based on target size vs the FBS/FBS2 machines.


Charles,

Well said.

Rich

Thanks Rich. On a sour note I read the new PDF on the EQ800 specs tonight and see it only has 40 target ID numbers, major bummer. So foil to silver dollar the scale only spans 40 ID's, its looking more like a low/med/high machine. When due to depth and soil mineralization the target ID starts getting iffy its going to jump around over a span of numbers making it more difficult to know what you are digging imo. Geeze 20 year old detectors have 99 ID numbers. I really hate that the EQ is a step backwards in target ID vs FBS. Maybe they will take all these new design features and advancement in dealing with soil and put them in a next gen replacement for the eTrac.

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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: amberjack
Date: November 09, 2017 07:17AM
if I was drinking I would have been banned years ago :buds:

maybe my etrac is a made in china fake :throw:

sorry for my analogy but mine is new and its a wobbly sucker handles like a wet sponge but it finds stuff so what the :devil:

sold off the ctx in my personal protest against no updates in 5 years other than for the fake market in china :lmfao:

so expect a ctx update this week :rofl:

only got a few detectors these days one is etrac and I don't see this new one as an update other than ergonomics so might get one and stuff the etrac in it :yikes:

don't get me wrong I owned a 705 nice detector with an after market coil so done the rounds and back at etrac now and the new 705 looks like a nice machine but will have to consult the pocket book to see how good it thinks it is 1300 smackers where I am at, and that's a lot of beer :buds:

time will tell if it gets a look in.....

AJ

Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: NorCalGold
Date: November 09, 2017 08:19AM
Charles, it may not be a step backwards to have 40 numbers for non-ferrous targets if the detector can accurately differentiate between those targets at depth. This is the claim Minelab is making with Multi-IQ. If it works, it sounds like an advancement to me.

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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: Wayfarer
Date: November 09, 2017 10:29AM
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Charles, it may not be a step backwards to have 40 numbers for non-ferrous targets if the detector can accurately differentiate between those targets at depth. This is the claim Minelab is making with Multi-IQ. If it works, it sounds like an advancement to me.

I would totally be happy with 40 TID numbers if the Equinox lives up to the claim that the TID is more accurate and stable at depth. For comparison, I've got a V3i that has 95 non ferrous TID numbers, but over 6", the TID is all over the place. I'd gladly give up all but 40 of those numbers if the Equinox TID could be stable and accurate at, say, 8" instead. That's basically what they are claiming, so lets see. Got my fingers crossed (and an EQ on order)!



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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: Jason in Enid
Date: November 09, 2017 10:40AM
Even with the highly accurate FE-CO of the CTX, numbers typically jump a couple spots up and down so what would be the harm of a few less CO numbers in there?

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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: nalc472
Date: November 10, 2017 09:48AM
I am keeping my e-trac. I will have the best of both worlds. Start with the EQ and clean up with the E-trac (if I missed anything). I will be in Silver heaven :)

Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: November 10, 2017 09:58AM
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Wayfarer
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Charles, it may not be a step backwards to have 40 numbers for non-ferrous targets if the detector can accurately differentiate between those targets at depth. This is the claim Minelab is making with Multi-IQ. If it works, it sounds like an advancement to me.

I would totally be happy with 40 TID numbers if the Equinox lives up to the claim that the TID is more accurate and stable at depth. For comparison, I've got a V3i that has 95 non ferrous TID numbers, but over 6", the TID is all over the place. I'd gladly give up all but 40 of those numbers if the Equinox TID could be stable and accurate at, say, 8" instead. That's basically what they are claiming, so lets see. Got my fingers crossed (and an EQ on order)!

You changed my mind, if the EQ is accurate to 7 inches then even deeper targets that are jumping around really this doesn't matter because if they are 8 inches or deeper I'm digging no matter what. That's going to be well below the clad and modern trash layer where I hunt.

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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: nalc472
Date: November 10, 2017 10:52AM
It will "boldly go where no detector has gone before".

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Re: EQ800 or Etrac ?
Posted by: Southwind
Date: November 10, 2017 11:36AM
I don't know. I use the two set of numbers to base my decision to recover. Of course I also use the sound, but I don't see near the accuracy with a single set of numbers, especially only 50 segments, because the FE would tell me the amount of ferrous the target has and the CO the amount of conductivity the target had. Between those two sets of numbers and the tone I can increase my odds of digging more goodies and less trash.



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