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Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: hispanico
Date: December 19, 2011 01:02PM
Hello I need your opinion, I hesitate between "Tesoro Silver Umax" or "Tesoro Cibola Umax Cibola"
They are of the same features, only the difference frequency and threshold control that has the Cibola and silver does not.
I am in Spain, coins and relics bucket in the field, not to hunt on the beach.
Give me your opinion on these machines, help me choose one of the two.
A health and happiness for all.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2011 01:13PM by hispanico.

Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: pelanj
Date: December 19, 2011 02:06PM
Hello, I would start with a Silver uMax and then get later another unit with manual ground balance.

Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: BAZBOSWORTH
Date: December 19, 2011 02:32PM
Hi Hispanico, i own the silver u max but am shortly to up grade to the cibola,i,m in England were we have a lot of hammered silver medieval coins,the cibola with its higher frequecy will be more sensitive to these coins ,and the small roman coins that we have in both countries....i believe the cibola has better depth capabilities also.... whatever you choose happy hunting...BAZ

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Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: hispanico
Date: December 19, 2011 03:02PM
thanks for your help

Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: pelanj
Date: December 19, 2011 05:21PM
Cibola is deeper, there is no question about that. The difference in frequency is not something that would matter too much, they are both very fast and sensitive.

I somehow cannot understand the Cibola. Such a great detector but without manual ground balance. I would get a Vaquero instead, it is not much more expensive and it is definitely worth it. But I love my Silver uMax with 12x10 SEF coil. I would recommend it to any beginner (So would I recommend most of the C.Scope machines, but we are in Tesoro forum at the moment:) )

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Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: :Left4Dead
Date: December 19, 2011 05:29PM
So the silver has all metal mode , so that should be all you need to pinpoint. But honestly for me I don't use pinpoint that much. It is nice to size up a target somtimes , but the silver should do a good job of that.

As to the depth , which is most likely the biggest factor between the 2 I don't know the difference . I only have a cibola and a compadre. I would lean to a silver as a starter unit. In a lot of cases less is more.

Mike



Current--
Tesoro Cibola/ Tesoro Compadre.
Detectors used-- / Ace250, Tecnetics Delta 4000, Bounty Hunter quick draw./ Use Garrett pro pointer
/Digging with - Lesche hand tool, little Sampson
/Oldest coin 1887 IH ,Rings 11, Silver rings 4, 1 gold .


Location. Farmington MN

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Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: tabman
Date: December 19, 2011 06:02PM
It's my understanding the 'all metal mode' on the Silver is really a discrimination mode set at zero. I can see where that would be a big benefit. Just set your discrimination mode high enough to break up on pull tabs and then flip over and detect in all metal. If you get a beep, flip the switch over to the discriminate mode and if it still sounds off, you have a good chance it's a coin. I'm sure some of the Silver uMax users can tell you a lot more about how they use them.

tabman



Tesoro Tejon * Tesoro Outlaw * Fisher F75SE * Tesoro Compadre * Modded Tesoro Cibola * Tesoro Golden u-Max
Tesoro Bandido II u-Max * Tesoro Deleon * Garrett AT Pro * Teknetics G2 * Tesoro Vaquero * Killer B's Wasp Headphones



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2011 06:03PM by tabman.

Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: Terry(Mi)
Date: December 19, 2011 06:31PM
Cibola has a freq shifter (if your near EMI or other detectors), a pinpoint button, and a threshold control (for supertuning, if needed). If your choosing only from these 2.... get the Cibola.

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Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: slingshot
Date: December 19, 2011 07:00PM
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:Left4Dead
So the silver has all metal mode , so that should be all you need to pinpoint. But honestly for me I don't use pinpoint that much. It is nice to size up a target somtimes , but the silver should do a good job of that.

As to the depth , which is most likely the biggest factor between the 2 I don't know the difference . I only have a cibola and a compadre. I would lean to a silver as a starter unit. In a lot of cases less is more.

Mike
The Silver has no pinpoint-but the response time is so fast you can do without. The A/M mode is not quite true a/m, so a few iron particles will be either rejected or break up noticeably. It is deepest in the a/m mode. Besides a little extra depth, the other advantage of the Cibola is that the discriminate can be gradually lowered to a/m motion mode in increments instead of jumping from iron reject to a/m. That's the part I love about my Compadre.

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Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: Hank68
Date: December 19, 2011 07:42PM
You nailed Tabman,the silver is great,just to see how great it discrimnates just flick from AM to Disc and back, its a relic killer for the money! 50 reviews and a 5 star rating! HHH

Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: finnfoto
Date: December 19, 2011 07:55PM
I've had both and have to say both are super machines. My money still goes to the Cibola. Yes there is a big difference in depth. as I have never pulled clad quarters with my silver at 15 and 18inches like I have with the Cibola on the beach.


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'tabman', pardon my little correction about the Silver
Posted by: Monte
Date: December 19, 2011 08:42PM
I work with a lot of detectors year-in-and-year-out, be it one-on-one with a customer or dealer, at the monthly metal detector group meetings we host, or in my seminars (since '81). One thing that I frequently find is errors in literature, catalogs, or Owner's Manuals, and often mislabeled or misnamed control functions. It's very easy for many folks to just presume the writer of these things is correct, but I know from working in this industry a lot in the past that you often have a secretary who can type the book,manual or ad, but they don't really detecting much (if any) or know what it is they are writing about.

When that happened, they can't really proof-read what they are working on because they simply don't know. Also, what gets to them is also often not well written in the first place. :ranting: I recall a Dealer/Distributor getting a new VLF ground balance model from Compass to evaluate. When I stopped in their shop he showed me the unit, but said he couldn't get the prototype to work. I took it out into their yard where we had planted test targets, and this was in the mid-'70s, and tinkered with the new unit. I got it properly adjusted and Ground Balanced and decided it was better than the current All Metal VLF's from White's and Garrett and wanted one when released.

I also read the set-up information they sent him with the detector and it was impossible to tune and GB the new model as they described, which is why he couldn't make it work. I then wrote out the proper tuning procedure and GB steps for him to send back to Compass. About twelve years later, when I was employed by Compass as their Marketing Rep., Dealer Coordinator and Customer Service Rep I made an effort to proof read and correct some of the literature/Owner's Manuals they had which contained a number of bloopers.

Even with the Tesoro models through the years we have seen the traditional Ground Balanced All Metal named All Metal and Normal. What the heck is 'Normal!' Anyway, here is a correction and some comments.:

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tabman
It's my understanding the 'all metal mode' on the Silver is really a discrimination mode set at zero.
The labeled toggle selection on the Silver



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White's MX5 (w/6½" and 9" Concentrics)
White's XLT (w/6½" and 950 Concentrics)
Teknetics Omega (w/8" Concentric and 5" DD)
Tesoro Bandido II µMAX (w/7" Concentric)
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Re: 'tabman', pardon my little correction about the Silver
Posted by: slingshot
Date: December 19, 2011 09:47PM
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Monte
I work with a lot of detectors year-in-and-year-out, be it one-on-one with a customer or dealer, at the monthly metal detector group meetings we host, or in my seminars (since '81). One thing that I frequently find is errors in literature, catalogs, or Owner's Manuals, and often mislabeled or misnamed control functions. It's very easy for many folks to just presume the writer of these things is correct, but I know from working in this industry a lot in the past that you often have a secretary who can type the book,manual or ad, but they don't really detecting much (if any) or know what it is they are writing about.

When that happened, they can't really proof-read what they are working on because they simply don't know. Also, what gets to them is also often not well written in the first place. :ranting: I recall a Dealer/Distributor getting a new VLF ground balance model from Compass to evaluate. When I stopped in their shop he showed me the unit, but said he couldn't get the prototype to work. I took it out into their yard where we had planted test targets, and this was in the mid-'70s, and tinkered with the new unit. I got it properly adjusted and Ground Balanced and decided it was better than the current All Metal VLF's from White's and Garrett and wanted one when released.

I also read the set-up information they sent him with the detector and it was impossible to tune and GB the new model as they described, which is why he couldn't make it work. I then wrote out the proper tuning procedure and GB steps for him to send back to Compass. About twelve years later, when I was employed by Compass as their Marketing Rep., Dealer Coordinator and Customer Service Rep I made an effort to proof read and correct some of the literature/Owner's Manuals they had which contained a number of bloopers.

Even with the Tesoro models through the years we have seen the traditional Ground Balanced All Metal named All Metal and Normal. What the heck is 'Normal!' Anyway, here is a correction and some comments.:

Quote
tabman
It's my understanding the 'all metal mode' on the Silver is really a discrimination mode set at zero.
The labeled toggle selection on the Silver


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Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: tabman
Date: December 19, 2011 10:00PM
Monte good info. :thumbup: I know it's not a ED-180. The reason I know that is because I've read a lot of your very informative LONG posts about ED-180 and such. I own or have owned several of the detectors that you speak so highly of. Yes the Whites IDX Pro is a very good detector, but it was a little too heavy for me to swing all day long. The Eldorado is one sweet detector. You were right about it being a good detector, I love it. However, It was replaced by even a better detector, the Vaquero. Even with a ED-165, it just discriminates out some small nails. That's fine with me, because most of the time I set my Eldorado to reject small nails anyway. My Bandido II uMax is just perfect with its ED-120. I got it, because of your high recommendation as well. It runs really smooth in trashy areas just like you said it would. The only problem, the audio pitch is too high for my hearing. Your recommendation of the Teknetics Omega was another good one also, except for one thing, I can't stand chatty noisy detectors. If I had to choose between the Omega and Vaquero, I'd pick the Vaquero in a heart beat, because it's quieter, deeper, a whole lot better made and it comes with a lifetime warranty. Do you have anymore recommendations for some really good detectors that I can tryout? You've done very well so for.:smile:

tabman



Tesoro Tejon * Tesoro Outlaw * Fisher F75SE * Tesoro Compadre * Modded Tesoro Cibola * Tesoro Golden u-Max
Tesoro Bandido II u-Max * Tesoro Deleon * Garrett AT Pro * Teknetics G2 * Tesoro Vaquero * Killer B's Wasp Headphones



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2011 10:03PM by tabman.

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Re: Silver Umax or Cibola Umax
Posted by: hispanico
Date: December 19, 2011 11:53PM
Hello mates, I am amazed with your answers, thank you all, I wish you luck and health

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