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EMI - Can it help us get more depth?
Posted by: jabbo
Date: January 26, 2012 08:08PM
It seems that way in my cellar when air testing. EMI is always present in my cellar and it produces mostly mid tones in the 3 detectors I tested. In Disc mode when the coil is passing over a deep dime some sweeps (maybe 40%) will produce an extra loud beep, some sweeps may give a higher tone. Not all sweeps will do it but it seems when the coil is passing over the coin at just the right moment the signal is boosted by the EMI. Any experts out there have any thoughts on this. (The coil is kept at a consistent distance using a cardboard box.)

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Re: EMI - Can it help us get more depth?
Posted by: slingshot
Date: January 26, 2012 11:23PM
When the spike caused by the emi is in phase with the target signal it can. The opposite if out of phase. Same with discrimination. If a discriminator is set to just break up on tabs, for instance- a coin near or underneath will be picked up better that full tab disc. The partial signal of the partially rejected tab will add to the coin signal. One of Jack Gifford's best tips in trash.l sometimes use that in high trash areas.

Re: EMI - Can it help us get more depth?
Posted by: TerraDigger
Date: January 27, 2012 12:27AM
Sling. Thanks for the explanation. I noticed the EMI phenomena too. Just never knew why it did that.

Re: EMI - Can it help us get more depth?
Posted by: BarberBill
Date: January 27, 2012 03:00PM
I have interference in my home when trying air tests. I get a variety of false signals, noisy threholds and generally erratic behaviors that don't seem to be benficial in any way. In fact, just confuses the tests.
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Re: EMI - Can it help us get more depth?
Posted by: Mtnmn
Date: January 29, 2012 05:50AM
Do know that EMI has never been beneficial to me out in the field, in fact it has always had just the opposite effect ( very poor depth).

Re: EMI - Can it help us get more depth?
Posted by: Wooden Nickel
Date: January 29, 2012 12:26PM
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slingshot
When the spike caused by the emi is in phase with the target signal it can. The opposite if out of phase. Same with discrimination. If a discriminator is set to just break up on tabs, for instance- a coin near or underneath will be picked up better that full tab disc. The partial signal of the partially rejected tab will add to the coin signal. One of Jack Gifford's best tips in trash.l sometimes use that in high trash areas.

Slingshot - would it not also depend on the frequency? I would think, for it to be beneficial, it would have to be at the same frequency and in phase. Also, a lot of EMI is just plain noise. I would think that virtually all EMI is not helpful. I'm no md expert, but this seems logical to me.

Mike.....

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Re: EMI - Can it help us get more depth?
Posted by: slingshot
Date: January 29, 2012 10:50PM
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woodennickel
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slingshot
When the spike caused by the emi is in phase with the target signal it can. The opposite if out of phase. Same with discrimination. If a discriminator is set to just break up on tabs, for instance- a coin near or underneath will be picked up better that full tab disc. The partial signal of the partially rejected tab will add to the coin signal. One of Jack Gifford's best tips in trash.l sometimes use that in high trash areas.

Slingshot - would it not also depend on the frequency? I would think, for it to be beneficial, it would have to be at the same frequency and in phase. Also, a lot of EMI is just plain noise. I would think that virtually all EMI is not helpful. I'm no md expert, but this seems logical to me.

Mike.....
Sorry if I implied it could be good in any other way than a split second spike. It's so rapid and unpleasant it's hard to discern a true signal.

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