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Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: bearkat4160
Date: November 11, 2013 11:01AM






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Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: lytle78
Date: November 11, 2013 12:40PM
Now you've done it!

Thanks for posting the first bit of data to answer the question on pretty much everybody's mind how does the ATX compare to the GTX 5000? It's a pretty relevant question because the answer is worth about $3500 - this being the price difference between the ATX in the GTX 5000.

As Steve Herschbach wrote in a post on the ATX forum:

"But can I look a newbie in the eye and swear he needs to spend $5795 when $2120 may serve him or her just as well? Tough call there for sure because it is all about arguing price/performance ratios and you can argue that question all day long. I honestly believe your average Joe Blow not so serious nugget hunter is just as well off with a decent VLF nugget detector as a PI in the U.S. so what does that say? It will all sort out in time."

Your video is step one to getting data which will sort this question out.



Rick Kempf

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Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: November 11, 2013 02:11PM
And you can still add more threshold and sensitivity too, or use the non-motion mode. Scary, isn't it.

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: rigger572
Date: November 11, 2013 02:45PM
bearkat4160 Your doing a good job with the videos!!
I am currently deployed overseas with the australian army and will be home by christmass
so when i can get on the net which is not often ive been following the ATX with a great deal of interest ,as i have one payed for and hopefully
my wife will have it wrapped for christmas ,i was gong to buy a GPX5000 then saw the specs on the ATX and more importantly the price,i now know that i havent wasted my money as it runs quiet and picks up small gold to at least match the 5000 ,now it remains to be seen if it will do this in Australia in our minrelised soil,i hope so as my money is spent!
Hows it going to go on hard to detect specimen gold ?cant wait to find that out! keep posting were watching cheeers

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Garrett ATX vs Minelab GPX 5000
Posted by: steve herschbach
Date: November 11, 2013 03:03PM
Here we go, let the detector wars begin!

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lytle78
Now you've done it!

Thanks for posting the first bit of data to answer the question on pretty much everybody's mind how does the ATX compare to the GTX 5000? It's a pretty relevant question because the answer is worth about $3500 - this being the price difference between the ATX in the GTX 5000.

As Steve Herschbach wrote in a post on the ATX forum at http://www.findmall.com/read.php?96,1983695:

"But can I look a newbie in the eye and swear he needs to spend $5795 when $2120 may serve him or her just as well? Tough call there for sure because it is all about arguing price/performance ratios and you can argue that question all day long. I honestly believe your average Joe Blow not so serious nugget hunter is just as well off with a decent VLF nugget detector as a PI in the U.S. so what does that say? It will all sort out in time."

Your video is step one to getting data which will sort this question out.

It is the $3675 question to be precise.

I now have an ATX I am testing but more to reassure Garrett that they did not miss anything than to sell the unit. I am not a dealer and have nothing to gain in it selling or not. My motivation is trying to do anything I can to put more options in people's hands. By that I really mean I want more and better detectors for myself. I think there is plenty of room for innovation with PI detectors and underwater detectors in particular. So far I am quite satisfied and happy with the ATX for my own uses and I know it will do just fine in the US goldfields. However, so far I have been using it to hunt coins in bad ground and to water hunt for jewelry. I will get out prospecting with it soon. The ATX is a very refined detector and if Minelab did not exist people would be falling all over themselves to declare it the best ground balancing PI on the market. The reality is Minelab has a huge lead and key patents in place making it very difficult if not impossible to match them in sheer overall performance. Most people with top end Minelabs can just go on about their business and ignore the fuss.

However, in the US, in our milder ground and our generally small gold, the ATX will indeed provide Minelab with some serious competition because it is so much less expensive than a GPX 5000. It does very well on the gold most people are likely to find here. It is very, very well behaved with superb EMI resistance and threshold stability that matches or even exceeds a GPX. If I talk to a new person in the US who wants to get into prospecting and money is no object, I just tell them to get a GPX 5000. I do still believe it is the best option for the serious prospector and it will remain my primary prospecting detector. However, for most people money really does count. After using the ATX for a couple days now I would have a hard time telling that new person that the extra $3675 for a GPX (GPX $5795 vs ATX $2120 in US) is absolutely necessary. In the US the ATX will find most of the gold my GPX finds. In fact, a Gold Bug Pro will find most of the gold my GPX finds! I believe the prospector makes the finds, not the detector. I can make any detector look good because I place myself in good locations and I hunt very hard. I am good with detectors in general and can squeeze what performance any has out and find some gold. My best nugget this summer so far weighs 6.5 ounces and was found with a GPX 5000, because that is what I was using. But if I was using a $99 Radio Shack detector I would have still found that nugget. I was just the first person to ever put a coil over that square foot of Mother Earth. There is still plenty of gold like that left in the US and the ATX will find it as well as anything else if not better.

Whether the ATX makes inroads with serious prospectors remains to be seen but do do not sell the detector short. In good hands it can and will find gold. For that to happen though good prospectors will need to use it, however, and most serious prospectors are already married to their Minelab. The price difference and performance delivered for that price will make a difference only to people new to the game looking for that first PI detector. It was a mistake for Minelab to drop the SD series in the US and leave the $2000-$3000 price range open to whoever wants to take it, and it looks like Garrett is willing.

Just so nobody misunderstands me though let me say again - in my opinion the Minelab GPX 5000 represents the state of the art in pulse induction prospecting detectors. If a person is quite serious about electronic prospecting and can afford it, just get one. If you take the Minelab models totally out of the equation, things rapidly get more complicated. The Garrett ATX is probably the best non-Minelab option in a PI detector at this time for prospecting. But I do believe the White's TDI is still in the running, for even less money than the ATX. And when it gets into price performance ratios and what detector will return the most gold per dollar expended I seriously have to throw good VLF detectors into the mix. There really, really are places in the United States where a $649 Gold Bug Pro will do just as well as a $5795 GPX 5000. Because at the end of the day it is all about the prospector using the detector, not the detector itself. I can grab a new person, give them a GPX 5000, and take them someplace and me run a decent VLF nugget machine, and I am seriously willing to bet I find more gold. I am not trying to brag, just pointing out a very real truth about detectors and what gets found and why.

The debate will never end because it has no clear answer. I can tell you right now how it will play out though. Most serious guys out there with Minelabs will just go right on using them. You will not see Minelab owners ditching them and using the ATX instead. Some, like myself, will want an ATX also simply because it is waterproof, or to deal with EMI the GPX cannot handle. Many new prospectors may very well opt for the ATX because for many people $5795 is just too much money to spend and there is a huge gap in the price to go that next step up. I think the relic guys are going to love the ATX as will quite a few beach hunters. The ATX is a great detector at a great price and will serve a lot of people well if they apply themselves to it. I am going to do very well with mine, thank you very much. If I can, so can others.



Currently using :fisher: Fisher Gold Bug 2, Gold Bug Pro; :garrett: Garrett ATX; :minelab: Minelab CTX 3030, GPX 5000, SDC 2300; :whites: White's DFX, GM3, GMT, TDI, Surf PI DF

Re: Garrett ATX vs Minelab GPX 5000
Posted by: bearkat4160
Date: November 11, 2013 07:04PM
Yep well said again Steve...how do you type so much so fast? Lol

Like you said the Minelab 5000 guys won't be giving theirs up for the ATX but some will buy it to add to their arsenal, and some that have never done it will definatlety look closely now at the ATX.

Bearkat



Minelab GPX 5000, Garrett ATX, Whites GMT, Fisher Gold Bug II, Garrett GTI 2500, Infinium LS, Ace 250, Scorpion Gold Stinger, Garrett AT Gold.

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: argyle
Date: November 12, 2013 03:01AM
Bearkat.

Thank you for taking all your time in putting these clips together over the past few weeks. It is so important for myself and others to "hear" the ATX responses to gold as we are due soon to pluck down nearly $4000 on our new units. It's only due to guys like you that we can pick up so much information by going by sound alone. So ....thanks again.....much appreciated.

Would love to see a few different size pieces in under undisturbed ground from four inches to twenty inches in comparison to the GPX .....If you can could you make that you're next project?
.....but I guess I'll be doing that myself in a couple of weeks anyway. As will others.



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Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: argyle
Date: November 12, 2013 03:13AM
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rigger572
bearkat4160 Your doing a good job with the videos!!
I am currently deployed overseas with the australian army and will be home by christmass
so when i can get on the net which is not often ive been following the ATX with a great deal of interest ,as i have one payed for and hopefully
my wife will have it wrapped for christmas ,i was gong to buy a GPX5000 then saw the specs on the ATX and more importantly the price,i now know that i havent wasted my money as it runs quiet and picks up small gold to at least match the 5000 ,now it remains to be seen if it will do this in Australia in our minrelised soil,i hope so as my money is spent!
Hows it going to go on hard to detect specimen gold ?cant wait to find that out! keep posting were watching cheeers


Good on you 572.
After your deployment you deserve a great Christmas. This ATX should handle our ground fine. Something tells me they will run on the same ground that gets our GPX's moaning, so we should do okay with them.
They've got us in under the ground and give us a nice response though, so fingers crossed.
Be good to have you back digger.

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: FrankMD
Date: November 13, 2013 05:37PM
Waterproof to 10 feet is another big plus for the ATX!

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: Smigo
Date: November 15, 2013 09:05PM
Hmm! Not putting rubbish on this machine as I hope it is good, if so I would buy one. But that test shows ZIP. I ran into a guy out bush the other day with a VLF and he wanted to test it against my 5000. I kept telling him don't bother, it'll be a waste of time unless I found a target to compare undug. I didn't want to do this though as he was dodgey and don't detect with anyone I don't like, full stop. Let alone show them where I find gold. He persisted and got out a little bit, put it on the ground like in this video and went over it. I relented and did the same. There was little diff in the depth. He was going "see, see, my $1700 VLF is as good as yours that you spent 6 grand on!" I said "yeah, keep telling yourself that mate!"
Thing is gold in the ground is different big time from gold not in the ground. Undug gold even more so. I have seen VLFs that look tops testing above ground but on undug targets that the 5 gets no probs they did not even register. Iv tested that many machines over the years that I gave up doing planted gold testing years ago, its pointless. I test one way only. Take the detector out and hunt. Get a target, don't dig it and test side by side. Its the only true way to do it.
Not bagging the Infinium but when it came out a guy did the planted test and showed people it matching the Minelab 2200 on larger gold. Out in the real world though it didn't and guys that got them after hearing it matched the 22, later were spitting bullets they got it.
Why didn't the guy in this vid at least use a metal rod to push a little hole in the ground where you would find and dig for nuggets or anywhere at least, causing minimal ground disturbance and have them surrounded by actual ground? How easy would that be to do? You could even do it with the pick point for that matter! But on top! Huh!:blink:
The 5000's ability shines in bad ground, that's what it is good at doing, seeing through that haze of mineralisation. Get a normal spotlight and a fog spotlight, like a blue eye, on a good night and there is no dif, try them on a foggy night and see what happens!

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: goldpoacher
Date: November 19, 2013 05:45PM
I agree any test has to be done on undisturbed targets,also the small target was very audiable on the ML detector even when tester said No Response, I hope to get hold of a ATX and put it through some tuff test that will make or brake the ATX in Hot Ground
Even if proofs not as good as GPX5000 I beleive it will still be great viable option for Gold detecting

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: bearkat4160
Date: November 21, 2013 09:50PM
I think you missed the point of the video as you seem blinded by your infatuation with the 5000. Looks to me the meaning of the video is to turn on detectors, with both in normal modes, quick scan, shut off, thats it. And the Minelab did worse...Lol. You just don't like the results...:wiggle:



Minelab GPX 5000, Garrett ATX, Whites GMT, Fisher Gold Bug II, Garrett GTI 2500, Infinium LS, Ace 250, Scorpion Gold Stinger, Garrett AT Gold.

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: bearkat4160
Date: November 21, 2013 09:54PM
Yes I think the 5000 should still have an edge...it should for $5500!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like the ATX is a fantastic alternative to those that want to buy a great PI and also buy a plane ticket to Australia to hunt for gold and extra food and Hotel to boot, all for the price of the GPX 5000. :super:



Minelab GPX 5000, Garrett ATX, Whites GMT, Fisher Gold Bug II, Garrett GTI 2500, Infinium LS, Ace 250, Scorpion Gold Stinger, Garrett AT Gold.

Re: Quick Video Test: Garrett ATX vs GPX 5000
Posted by: Night Crawler
Date: November 23, 2013 04:06AM
I wonder how the 5000 would compare to the ATX in EMI conditions?

Great "out of the box" comparison video bearkat4160, thanks for posting it.


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