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E-Trac
Posted by: WV62
Date: July 20, 2017 07:55AM
Well I have had my new E-Track for about a month now and I spent most of that time studying on how it works. I did a lot throw down testing in my yard on silver and other old coins I have. As I learned I made several disc patterns and some didn't work real good. My last five patterns all work on all my test coins.

I took the E-Trac on 2 actual hunts, in 2 of our best silver producing spots, the first one I found a few new dropped coins, pretty much on top of the ground. The second hunt was yesterday and I went to a wooded area for the shade. This area has produced our best overall silver finds, but yesterday the E-Trac only gave me 4 or 5 dig-gable signals and none were coins.

So far the E-Trac is not doing any better than the machines we have been running in these areas which are the F75, F70, F5, Tejon, and the Vaquero. My brother SL52 and his F5 still finds most of the silver every year.

Just a little update,

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: MI-AuAg
Date: July 20, 2017 08:52AM
Hey Ron,

Keep at it. With a good setup, those etrac's have a solid reputation for finding silver if it's under the coil.

I'm sure learning the FBS machine will take a little time, but I think you'll like it.

Interesting that you added a Minelab FBS machine to your Fisher F series machine. I added a Fisher F75 to my Minelab CTX. They're a good combination IMO, as they excel in different areas.

Good Luck with your etrac!

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: WV62
Date: July 20, 2017 09:23AM
Thanks Mi-AuAg,

I am going to keep working with the E-Trac, I can tell it is a good machine but better than others I am not so sure.

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: Dan-Pa.
Date: July 20, 2017 09:59AM
In experienced hands Etrac and Explorer models are among the best deep silver units around. KISS may be the problem so don't get fancy comes to mind..Also a good mentor would be the way to go...When I had my first Explorer XS spent a couple of hours with one of our Explorer gurus who used basic programs that worked..First time out from a hard hit area managed 8 Wheaties, buffalo nickle and mercury dime and walking half. Of course made a mess as pinpointing was a problem but was in the boonies so poor and excessive holes were no problem. Through practice learned to pinpoint with the exception of unit being heavy along with a CZ served me well for deep silver. So if you can handle the weight keep it simple and the silver will come.

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: oneguy
Date: July 20, 2017 11:23AM
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Dan-Pa.
In experienced hands Etrac and Explorer models are among the best deep silver units around. KISS may be the problem so don't get fancy comes to mind..Also a good mentor would be the way to go...When I had my first Explorer XS spent a couple of hours with one of our Explorer gurus who used basic programs that worked..First time out from a hard hit area managed 8 Wheaties, buffalo nickle and mercury dime and walking half. Of course made a mess as pinpointing was a problem but was in the boonies so poor and excessive holes were no problem. Through practice learned to pinpoint with the exception of unit being heavy along with a CZ served me well for deep silver. So if you can handle the weight keep it simple and the silver will come.

Listen to Dan...... Don't over think it. Use G4E's settings and maybe for starters Bills Trashy Park pattern if you desire some disc? Another easy disc pattern is black out FE from around 25 on down. Another easy and very effective way to hunt is TTF with an open screen ( deadly with small coil) and dig only the high tone consistant repeatable targets (for starters). My personal favorite TTF pattern for coin shooting is take the Trashy Park pattern and just open up the bottom half and leave the top half as Bill intended it. You'll learn your #,s fast and not have to rack your brain trying to learn the Etrac multi tone "language"..... Once you learn that machine, it will take some time, I'd almost bet you'll never want to give up all the info that machine gives.....saves a LOT of time digging crap once you understand it....... Unfortunately I haven't hunted this year as I no longer travel or doorknock and my Podunk area is hunted out to the best of my ability so I've been out on the rivers prospecting and having a blast...... Don't give up on that Etrac.....it's a killer machine once understood.................



Tesoro Golden Sabre II
E-Trac (13" Ultimate, 6" EQ2, NEL ss, Pro, X-1)

2017 silver coins: 5
buffalos:
indian head: 1
V nickel: 1
silver jewelry: 2
gold jewelry:



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2017 11:27AM by oneguy.

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: July 20, 2017 03:57PM
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WV62

So far the E-Trac is not doing any better than the machines we have been running in these areas which are the F75, F70, F5, Tejon, and the Vaquero. My brother SL52 and his F5 still finds most of the silver every year.

Just a little update,

Ron in WV

You forgot to add these to your detectors used in that area!
I ran an Omega their a fair amount, and I found a few pieces of silver with it.
I've ran my 1266 their on a few occasions.
I've also had two different Coin$trike's their.

Mark



Avatar, Me and my two brothers from left to right!

WV62 - MarkCZ - Still Looking 52

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: Mkus
Date: July 20, 2017 04:22PM
Im a believer of the Etrac my finds have been incredible over my old Garrett GTI! And I have only had my Etrac 11 months found my first gold coin with it a $5.00 half eagle.
And over 80 silver coins this year.

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: sprchng
Date: July 20, 2017 06:20PM
I can't believe that after a month you're not finding more with it than machines you have been using for a decade. You must have a bad one:smile:
And the ergonomics suck as well , how much ibuprofen are you having to take?
Learn the language and screw the patterns

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: mascard1
Date: July 20, 2017 06:26PM
Run Sens..at 26 Manual.......gain at 19(to tell deep coins)..Variability at 30(to get the best sound for Silver)..Threshold to where you just hear it.....Pretty much everything else at 30(If I remember right..Don't change it too much).... Run Coin program...If deep Copper memorial(will bounce 40 to 45)sorta can tell.....Your ears ...Will get used to the sound of Wheats and Silver deep....Wheats deep can run all over(I have dug old Wheats at 1-29) but they sound good!....The E-trac will tear up other machines with deep Silver..once your ear is tuned in!!!
There heavy......But so is A pocket full of Silver!.......O 'yeah on the coin program open up the top right...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2017 06:28PM by mascard1.

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: July 20, 2017 06:31PM
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WV62
..... So far the E-Trac is not doing any better than the machines we have been running in these areas ....

WV-62: A word to the wise: Hook up with someone who is proficient with the Explorer series of detectors. Have them flag deep suspected coin signals. Watch how they swing. Listen to what they're trying to isolate. Then, likewise, you show them signals, and ask them why or why not would they pass it.

ONLY THEN will the "lights go on" and the machine makes sense. Otherwise, you will have to do it the school-of-hard-knocks of digging 1000 targets.

The reason is: The explorer lineup of detectors (XS, II, SE pro, Etrac, etc....) are all very sound-specific tooty-fluty orchestra sounds. And when anyone first picks one of them up, initially "everything sounds the same".

I hunted along-side of the early park turf explorer users in CA who was EFFORTLESSLY picking up silver dime after silver dime. And he'd point out signals that my Whites had to struggle to hear. Doh! Needless to say, I ran out and bought an Explorer for myself. But immediately hated it. Like yourself, I saw no results any better than my current arsenal. So I made an appointment with the same fellow to meet me at the same deep-turf-park. He flagged several suspected deep silver/wheatie type signals. And let me listen and practice over them. After about the 3rd such target, the "lights went on" and it all made sense.

So see if you can find someone in your area proficient with those. Not just a "sand-box hunter", but someone who can routinely sniff out deep silver from turf.

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: July 20, 2017 06:52PM
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WV62
..... So far the E-Trac is not doing any better than the machines we have been running in these areas ....

WV-62: A word to the wise: Hook up with someone who is proficient with the Explorer series of detectors. Have them flag deep suspected coin signals. Watch how they swing. Listen to what they're trying to isolate. Then, likewise, you show them signals, and ask them why or why not would they pass it.

ONLY THEN will the "lights go on" and the machine makes sense. Otherwise, you will have to do it the school-of-hard-knocks of digging 1000 targets.

The reason is: The explorer lineup of detectors (XS, II, SE pro, Etrac, etc....) are all very sound-specific tooty-fluty orchestra sounds. And when anyone first picks one of them up, initially "everything sounds the same".

I hunted along-side of the early park turf explorer users in CA who was EFFORTLESSLY picking up silver dime after silver dime. And he'd point out signals that my Whites had to struggle to hear. Doh! Needless to say, I ran out and bought an Explorer for myself. But immediately hated it. Like yourself, I saw no results any better than my current arsenal. So I made an appointment with the same fellow to meet me at the same deep-turf-park. He flagged several suspected deep silver/wheatie type signals. And let me listen and practice over them. After about the 3rd such target, the "lights went on" and it all made sense.

So see if you can find someone in your area proficient with those. Not just a "sand-box hunter", but someone who can routinely sniff out deep silver from turf.

Thanks Tom for your input, I've cautioned big brother that the Etrac is different and the learning curve may be a tuff one. Another problem around here is knowing someone that is using such a machine to help him, I mean a person could camp out at the city park long enough and an Explorer or an Etrac user would show up, but if your not friends them (or at lest know them) their not to friendly about helping you learn to find the same silver there looking for! Even a decent silver spot is HARD to find in this neck of the woods so it can be pretty territorial protection, even a good side or bad side of the same park.

Mark



Avatar, Me and my two brothers from left to right!

WV62 - MarkCZ - Still Looking 52

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: July 20, 2017 07:02PM
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mascard1
Run Sens..at 26 Manual.......gain at 19(to tell deep coins)..Variability at 30(to get the best sound for Silver)..Threshold to where you just hear it.....Pretty much everything else at 30(If I remember right..Don't change it too much).... Run Coin program...If deep Copper memorial(will bounce 40 to 45)sorta can tell.....Your ears ...Will get used to the sound of Wheats and Silver deep....Wheats deep can run all over(I have dug old Wheats at 1-29) but they sound good!....The E-trac will tear up other machines with deep Silver..once your ear is tuned in!!!
There heavy......But so is A pocket full of Silver!.......O 'yeah on the coin program open up the top right...

"mascard1" what do you think the reason is that Ron is getting more help here in the general detecting forum with his Etrac than on either of the Etrac forums? I know a few years ago I was searching around for some information on the Etrac and they weren't very receptive at all if you were not already in the Explorer/Etrac click! in fact they were very rude to say the lest, and on the occasion that I've ran into someone actually swinging an Etrac and me swinging a Fisher I got treated like a TOTAL OUTSIDER, it was like they have their County Club for the higher class of society and second class citizens need not apply :shrug:

Mark

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: July 20, 2017 07:14PM
The best thing I could add to the great info you've gotten is to make a test garden. Historically,Minelabs don't like freshly buried targets. I could surmise this is because of the FBS platform but I don't know. Anyway...bury a silver dime at 7" and see what it sounds like in the factory Coin mode. Bury another at 9". Can't hear it? Adjust Sensitivity in MANUAL Sensitivity until you can. Adjust your sweep speed. See what the signal sounds like? Really deep coins do not sound like 4-5" coins. The key is REPEATABILITY. Sweep evenly with the coil grazing the ground. Fast wild swinging with an FBS machine will get you close to nowhere. I generally swing my Explorer2 in 4' sweeps at around 2 seconds side to side. Left to right...2 seconds. Right to left...2 seconds. It depends on your conditions a bit. Don't be afraid to take a certain patch of ground and sweep at various angles. Choose 10x10 feet and really work it. The biggest mistake I've made is when I'm not finding much I SPEED UP. It's counter productive in just about every way. Work an area until you're satisfied there's nothing left,then move on. It takes time. LORDY it takes time! But after awhile of getting your ass kicked and getting beaten to death with an F5, the light will come on. Don't over analyze things. That little non-repeatable iron chirp at 4" is NOT a coin. Don't spend a bunch of time trying to MAKE it a coin. This is the most costly mistake I made....not TRUSTING what the machine is saying. Build that trust,put in the time and once you conquer the mysterious monster....you won't know anything else.

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: mascard1
Date: July 20, 2017 07:16PM
Don't know?.....I would help everybody..I like to see others finding stuff..Makes it fun!

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: sprchng
Date: July 20, 2017 08:10PM
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MarkCZ
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mascard1
Run Sens..at 26 Manual.......gain at 19(to tell deep coins)..Variability at 30(to get the best sound for Silver)..Threshold to where you just hear it.....Pretty much everything else at 30(If I remember right..Don't change it too much).... Run Coin program...If deep Copper memorial(will bounce 40 to 45)sorta can tell.....Your ears ...Will get used to the sound of Wheats and Silver deep....Wheats deep can run all over(I have dug old Wheats at 1-29) but they sound good!....The E-trac will tear up other machines with deep Silver..once your ear is tuned in!!!
There heavy......But so is A pocket full of Silver!.......O 'yeah on the coin program open up the top right...

"mascard1" what do you think the reason is that Ron is getting more help here in the general detecting forum with his Etrac than on either of the Etrac forums? I know a few years ago I was searching around for some information on the Etrac and they weren't very receptive at all if you were not already in the Explorer/Etrac click! in fact they were very rude to say the lest, and on the occasion that I've ran into someone actually swinging an Etrac and me swinging a Fisher I got treated like a TOTAL OUTSIDER, it was like they have their County Club for the higher class of society and second class citizens need not apply :shrug:

Mark

I saw lots of responses to his post in the etrac forum and he didn't even have a machine yet.
No one seems to look at that etrac classroom forum so that's a non issue.
Brand loyalty exists with every different brand of everything,,,,,,,call it a clique if you wish but it's just a matter of liking what you use.
You are no different by using "CZ" in you handle , you may be just as "cliqueish" because you use a multi frequency Fisher and others use a single:smile:
I'm having fun with your bro's adventure and doing the normal etrac complaining for him:thumbup:

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