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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: July 20, 2017 09:15PM
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sprchng

I saw lots of responses to his post in the etrac forum and he didn't even have a machine yet.
No one seems to look at that etrac classroom forum so that's a non issue.
Brand loyalty exists with every different brand of everything,,,,,,,call it a clique if you wish but it's just a matter of liking what you use.
You are no different by using "CZ" in you handle , you may be just as "cliqueish" because you use a multi frequency Fisher and others use a single:smile:
I'm having fun with your bro's adventure and doing the normal etrac complaining for him:thumbup:

I knew you were kidding and having fun and that's good (I warned him about the weight LoL). But I'm not talking about brand loyalty, I'm talking at one time many of the Etrac owners if you met them out and you walked over to just be friendly and they saw you didn't have one of their Country Club detectors they would just smart off and tell you to get a real detector!! Now. I don't know if they are still like that but when I first came to this forum the Minelabs people had a really bad reputation on their forum if you weren't part of their Club! So, for the past several years after that I just didn't go over their for ANYTHING! The Etrac has been around awhile now and so they may not be like that anymore, I just remembered when! and I didn't know the Etrac Classroom wasn't very active so that explains that.

Mark

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: July 20, 2017 09:19PM
I certainly hope things aren't "clicky" or any of that...I do know that certain personalities don't mesh all the time and that there are guys and girls who are very competitive by nature. When I go hunting I hunt old coins,and if someone pulls a Large Cent around here or a Barber or Seated or....I get pretty pumped just seeing the coin. It doesn't matter who found it,just the idea that there may be more for me to find...I know we're in a good area! I like seeing someone who is really good with their machine and can talk to it,listen to it,thread the needle through Trash with it...a really good operator.
Sometimes responses aren't immediately forthcoming because this stuff has all been discussed for a long time now by many people,some of who no longer frequent the forums. I miss Capt SEs posts,Cody,Captain Kirk....Mike Moutray! Charles Upstate NY is back on the Explorer forum,that's a good thing! Many guys are probably just waiting for someone else to type the response,and if no one does then it looks like no one cares about the question at hand. I've learned a lot since coming on board and verified more of it in the field. There are a lot of really good operators on these forums,and even in this thread! Typing out a comprehensive well thought out reply takes time,and not everyone has that time these days,especially if they're out hunting! With the weather we've had around the US lately it's a wonder some people can get out after work or on the weekends,it's just been terrible about everywhere.
I see the need for direction when it comes to someone just starting out with one of these machines, it can be overwhelming to listen to. A lot of it will sound like torture. I didn't know just what to think at first with the Explorer2,my first foray into the FBS machines. But I also knew that it took time and I trusted that idea...that it would take time. There are no shortcuts,you MUST put in the time. A person with more experience on a simpler machine will find more...initially,most of the time. In awhile you will pull alongside and then when it comes to really deep coins that many other machines can't sense or ID well enough to dig,you will surpass some of those operators. A guy with a Compadre(not dissing the Compadre) will find more in a good site with no fill than a guy with an eTrac in a filled site that didn't have coins in the first place. If you're hunting the SAME place together,on really deep coins,FBS machines have been known to be able to throw a good enough ID to say it's a coin and for it to actually BE a coin. Anyone can dig a deep iron grunt. That's not MY game. The vast majority of the time,with either the Explorer2 or the CTX,I'll know it's a coin before the shovel hits the ground. That's why people want these machines...to dig good targets in amongst the mess of what can be in the ground at any given place. And they've been proven by many users to do exactly that.

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: WV62
Date: July 20, 2017 09:38PM
Well guys I have made me a page of notes and been online looking for some of those settings. I haven't watched the video yet by I think I am at the right place and I saved the site.

My first round of settings I was told to try Goes4ever and that is the settings I have in the detector now.

After a full day of swing even with a sling attached my arm and wrist were killing me, but I really want to make this detector work for me.

Right now I am not locked into one set of settings so I made notes from the post above and will give them a try.

I don't know anybody around here that runs any kind of Minelab machine, so I am on my own except for the help I get you forum members and my brothers.

Thanks,

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: Elton
Date: July 20, 2017 10:28PM
Slow down your swing. When you think it is slow enough Slow down some more.. You can not swing it fast and get the great finds it will find ..Goesforever settings may not work in WV... Your ground is different.
Don't give up. You will soon click with the machine and your deep finds will amaze you.

SLOW SLOW SLOW on the swing.... FBS has to have time to work.. Took me three machines to learn that......... I would get aggravated and sell the Erac ....... Then buy another......Third one I used goes settings slowed way down and WOW... Could not believe my finds ..........I have also done very well with the F 75 , 70 and T2.. but not as good as with the ETrac..



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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: oneguy
Date: July 20, 2017 10:57PM
you're on the right track.....keep G4E's settings for now, run auto+3, and run a pattern you've chosen (in multi tone I seem to like the Andy S. pattern). Stick with these for awhile until the light bulb starts to go off....THEN maybe do some experimenting and tweaking. Like Elton says....slow down a bit also, Etrac needs a little time to give you all that info. You'll forget all about the awkward boat anchor once you see what it's capable of and you'll say to yourself..... "wished I'd have had one of these years ago!"
KISS.......you'll get there.

I'll keep watching this and look forward to your progress..............

Think I've had my etrac for 4+ years now and the etrac forum folks bent over backwards helping me....I never noticed any clicky types?



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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: WV62
Date: July 21, 2017 12:09PM
Okay I am not able to download any information like settings and patterns to the metal detector. Anybody have any links to G4E's written settings and Andy Sabisch pattern's. I am able to manually load patterns and settings in the detector.

All my thoughts for this detector started from my experience with running Fisher machines so that could be why I am have some trouble getting a handle on this E-Trac. My thoughts were that I needed to setup some good coin disc patterns that would get rid of some of the trash. That was why I started working on patterns, the default coin pattern was working pretty good for most coins but was having trouble detecting a silver half $.

So now I am backing up and trying to keep it simple and still get some good finds out of this machine. I don't want to keep buying these machines so I will slow my swing down.

Thanks,

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: July 21, 2017 12:46PM
I think you are making the mistake of thinking that some magical program will "solve all sorts of problems". Versus if you've gone with factory presets, and found junk, that ......... the issue might be solved with "secret programs".

On the contrary: The issue is with the user ability to discern sounds. Which is nothing that computer and button-pressing will solve. See my post below. You either need to A) hook up with someone proficient (a deeeep turf-silver hound) who can flag and compare signals, or B) dig 1000 targets to go through the school of hard knocks.

I wish there were a simpler way.

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: sprchng
Date: July 21, 2017 02:09PM
Tom is right in that you learn to filter the trash with your hearing after a while.
I use the F75se on occasion and the sounds are just not that descriptive compared to the FBS , neither is the Deus , which is why it makes it a bit of a challenge to develop confidence in what you 're hearing. If you use a high disc screen/pattern like the high trash factory pattern you will not learn what the trashy sounds are like to compare them to the good,,,it really does become that informative after a while in a trashy park. Relic hunting is a different story where you might just be pulling the ferrous from the non-ferrous. Just use the factory coin pattern and open the entire upper right quadrant for big silver and dig all the signals for a while , solid or scratchy and suddenly it will start making sense.

Rumor has it that: Those who "go through the school of hard knocks" ...
Posted by: Monte
Date: July 21, 2017 03:42PM
with ANY quality make and model detector, are going to be the ones who gain the most useful education and, if they can endure to the end of the schooling required, will be the most successful in the long run.

In my 53rd year of education ....

Monte



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Re: Rumor has it that: Those who "go through the school of hard knocks" ...
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: July 21, 2017 06:00PM
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Monte
with ANY quality make and model detector, are going to be the ones who gain the most useful education and, if they can endure to the end of the schooling required, will be the most successful in the long run.

In my 53rd year of education ....

Monte

Come to think of it Monte...I personally feel because I started with the IDXPro that I actually gained a valuable edge when going to the Explorer2, in the way that I knew about the "quality" of a signal. Having only one tone to listen to wasn't challenging to me,because I knew nothing else. You're right,Toms right,whoever else said it is right....either a tutor or a lot of swinging! Who knew school could be so much fun? Anyone who stays in for 53 years must like SOMETHING about it...:crazy:

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: WV62
Date: July 21, 2017 07:23PM
Well the only thing left is a master reset, and I am on my own.

Thanks,

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

Re: E-Trac
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: July 21, 2017 11:01PM
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WV62
Well I have had my new E-Track for about a month now and I spent most of that time studying on how it works. I did a lot throw down testing in my yard on silver and other old coins I have. As I learned I made several disc patterns and some didn't work real good. My last five patterns all work on all my test coins.

I took the E-Trac on 2 actual hunts, in 2 of our best silver producing spots, the first one I found a few new dropped coins, pretty much on top of the ground. The second hunt was yesterday and I went to a wooded area for the shade. This area has produced our best overall silver finds, but yesterday the E-Trac only gave me 4 or 5 dig-gable signals and none were coins.

So far the E-Trac is not doing any better than the machines we have been running in these areas which are the F75, F70, F5, Tejon, and the Vaquero. My brother SL52 and his F5 still finds most of the silver every year.

Just a little update,

Ron in WV

Ron,you said the F5 finds the most silver every year. Out of curiosity how many coins is that in one season out there?

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: July 21, 2017 11:35PM
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WV62
Well the only thing left is a master reset, and I am on my own.

Thanks,

Ron in WV

Well, its just a slower more frustrating way to learn a detector when we don't have a buddy who has one that you can meet up with in the field, I know when I first got the Coin$rike I could find any help and I just called the company! Does anybody know if MineLabs has any tech phone support?

Mark

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Re: E-Trac
Posted by: WV62
Date: July 22, 2017 07:27AM
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IDXMonster
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WV62
Well I have had my new E-Track for about a month now and I spent most of that time studying on how it works. I did a lot throw down testing in my yard on silver and other old coins I have. As I learned I made several disc patterns and some didn't work real good. My last five patterns all work on all my test coins.

I took the E-Trac on 2 actual hunts, in 2 of our best silver producing spots, the first one I found a few new dropped coins, pretty much on top of the ground. The second hunt was yesterday and I went to a wooded area for the shade. This area has produced our best overall silver finds, but yesterday the E-Trac only gave me 4 or 5 dig-gable signals and none were coins.

So far the E-Trac is not doing any better than the machines we have been running in these areas which are the F75, F70, F5, Tejon, and the Vaquero. My brother SL52 and his F5 still finds most of the silver every year.

Just a little update,

Ron in WV

Ron,you said the F5 finds the most silver every year. Out of curiosity how many coins is that in one season out there?

I never keep track of brother SL52's silver finds until starting this year, but a good guess on his would be about 20 silvers and I find any were from 3 to 10 a season. This year I only have one silver dime and brother SL52 and his F5 has 3 but one of those was a Barber half $. Looks like we are just about out of silver here in WV.

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

Re: E-TracN/T
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: July 22, 2017 08:57AM

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