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Re: New Minelab
Posted by: TN Mike
Date: September 18, 2017 04:26AM
I figure a couple things...

The machine has at least year before its proven. This I don't believe anyone has an argument against this, due to the fact that water capable machines have a proven history of bad first runs (ctx3030.. 2500$). It will, unless Minelab hits a grand-slam, take at least a year before anyone will know for a certain that the machine is truly water capable in different seasons, temperature ranges and water conditions. Its also not proven in any regard to performance, and I don't mean field performance.. I mean will the batteries crap out, will the software have glitches and it take a year or more for someone to notice that the machine has some rare, odd behavior, will coil connectors and wireless work cleanly without fuss, when the batteries are low will the machine flop.. the list can go on and on..

I know most people believe Minelab will release a quality product..I do as well, I've already sought out my pre-order, but I'm not under any illusions that the machine may have problems, and at the cost to me in terms of time out in the field..

At that, I'll be holding on to my Deus for at least another year..



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/18/2017 04:28AM by TN Mike.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Chase Goldman
Date: September 18, 2017 08:30AM
Re: Deus and crowncaps mentioned earlier - they pretty much soynd like crap with the new coils esp running at 26 khz. Add some silencer @ 14 khz and they break right up and sound like junk too. I walk right iver them. Before the hf coils came out, I was tuning in to the svtle ques the Deus audio provides i.e. crown caps sound slightly holliw or light compared to the solid ping! Iget with coins.

Re limping along with a fading Deus battery while wsiting fir the 'Nox to show up (I have already grown weary of that nickname), just spend the 60 bucks to get the battery replaced by the XP Americas folks - heck it costs less than a Minelab Excal replacement battery module and they do the install.

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And then, there are the inevitable warranty issues
Posted by: Mikie
Date: September 18, 2017 09:50AM
Minelab seems to be plagued with very poor service of their machines. In fact, if a person were to write up
a book on how NOT to do service issues, ML would be the demonstrable example.. Dictionary definition..poor service; see
Minelab.. :):. I have only heard good things about XP.

Now.. all that being said.. I have three MLs.. 2 excals [one the original sword] and a sox xs.. None of which have ever needed
any warranty work.. But I shudder to think of what would happen if I ever did need any work done

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Micheal



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Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 18, 2017 10:47AM
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We'll see how the EQ does on crown caps because the Deus its sucks in that regard.

not going to argue with that..

for me its speed and super ID in that 1st 4 to 5 " is what I use the Deus for its not my deep silver machine sure it finds deep silver in heavy iron better than a minelab FBS add modern trash and it falls over for me against the FBS detectors, so they all have a place now for me (Deus FBS, FBS2) I have to see if Nox fills a gap for me, my point is its going to have to be one very fine machine to fit in my line up..

Agree, crown caps are kryptonite to the Deus. The odd crown cap is no problem, medium to heavy crown caps Deus fail. Too much time is wasted dealing with them. FBS machines in comparison are so good at isolating and rejecting crown caps while allowing in pretty much every other target they will continue to be my machine for such sites.

I own multiple machines for several types of hunting and site conditions so not a ding on the Deus, a trash filled crown cap park just isn't its strong suit if hunting for high conductor coins. When the HF 9 inch coil arrives this week I may just notch out all the high conductors including the crown caps and unleash the Deus in the trash to hunt gold.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Chase Goldman
Date: September 18, 2017 11:05AM
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We'll see how the EQ does on crown caps because the Deus its sucks in that regard.

not going to argue with that..

for me its speed and super ID in that 1st 4 to 5 " is what I use the Deus for its not my deep silver machine sure it finds deep silver in heavy iron better than a minelab FBS add modern trash and it falls over for me against the FBS detectors, so they all have a place now for me (Deus FBS, FBS2) I have to see if Nox fills a gap for me, my point is its going to have to be one very fine machine to fit in my line up..

Agree, crown caps are kryptonite to the Deus. The odd crown cap is no problem, medium to heavy crown caps Deus fail. Too much time is wasted dealing with them. FBS machines in comparison are so good at isolating and rejecting crown caps while allowing in pretty much every other target they will continue to be my machine for such sites.

I own multiple machines for several types of hunting and site conditions so not a ding on the Deus, a trash filled crown cap park just isn't its strong suit if hunting for high conductor coins. When the HF 9 inch coil arrives this week I may just notch out all the high conductors including the crown caps and unleash the Deus in the trash to hunt gold.

Did you read my post above or just chose to ignore it/disagree? Crown caps are not an issue for me since I got the hf coil, no red to notch out high conductors. Don't take my word for it, try it out yourself when you get your new coil and tell me what you think before you take drastic measures. However, if you want focus on gold, that's a good approach. I wouldn't do it just to avoid dealing with crown caps. If the site has that problem, it is probably also littered with pull tabs too. While crown caps are no longer an issue for me, I haven't cracked the code on how to tell the difference between a pull tab, nickel, and gold ring. Lol.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/18/2017 11:06AM by Chase Goldman.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: corvair
Date: September 18, 2017 11:10AM
The NOX as some have called it, does seem to have several strong points. Price, weight, ergonomics look good, adjust-ability etc.., The comment about Minelab Service could be a hindrance for some.Battery longevity might be another issue. Personally my Deus is holding up well with it's battery life, going on 5 years now and if I ever need the coil battery replaced I can trust the very good XP Americas Service group to carry that out.

If I were going to bet on it, I would say on release let's have Calabash do a You tube review and Comparison to the Deus. Calabash does an excellent job on all of his well executed videos.
He will run this NOX through the ringer and give all of us an honest opinion! It might very well be a very nice detector to own, who knows?

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 18, 2017 11:39AM
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We'll see how the EQ does on crown caps because the Deus its sucks in that regard.

not going to argue with that..

for me its speed and super ID in that 1st 4 to 5 " is what I use the Deus for its not my deep silver machine sure it finds deep silver in heavy iron better than a minelab FBS add modern trash and it falls over for me against the FBS detectors, so they all have a place now for me (Deus FBS, FBS2) I have to see if Nox fills a gap for me, my point is its going to have to be one very fine machine to fit in my line up..

Agree, crown caps are kryptonite to the Deus. The odd crown cap is no problem, medium to heavy crown caps Deus fail. Too much time is wasted dealing with them. FBS machines in comparison are so good at isolating and rejecting crown caps while allowing in pretty much every other target they will continue to be my machine for such sites.

I own multiple machines for several types of hunting and site conditions so not a ding on the Deus, a trash filled crown cap park just isn't its strong suit if hunting for high conductor coins. When the HF 9 inch coil arrives this week I may just notch out all the high conductors including the crown caps and unleash the Deus in the trash to hunt gold.

Did you read my post above or just chose to ignore it/disagree? Crown caps are not an issue for me since I got the hf coil, no red to notch out high conductors. Don't take my word for it, try it out yourself when you get your new coil and tell me what you think before you take drastic measures. However, if you want focus on gold, that's a good approach. I wouldn't do it just to avoid dealing with crown caps. If the site has that problem, it is probably also littered with pull tabs too. While crown caps are no longer an issue for me, I haven't cracked the code on how to tell the difference between a pull tab, nickel, and gold ring. Lol.

I can already ID crown caps with the LF coil on the Deus, the high coin tone is immediately followed by a 'thack' echo like tapping two pieces of wood together. This is similar to FBS machines popping on crown caps, a high tone followed by a POP as the coil comes off the crown cap. The FBS POP is more obvious than the Deus 'thack' which is subtle.

The issue with the Deus is that crown caps ID smack in the middle of high conductor coins. On FBS machines coins ID in Alaska, crown caps ID in Brazil they are that far from each other. Hence I can simply notch crown caps out on an FBS to silence them without any impact on coins, or any other target for that matter. FBS machines have very well isolated crown caps all by their lonesome.

Deeper...when a high conductor coin is hiding very near, even directly under crown caps, when notched out on an FBS machine (specifically Explorer XS, II, SE Pro) it tries to latch onto the coin and will pull the crown cap up out of the notched out area, basically combining the two targets. Can't do that on a Deus. That's a clue to a co-located crown cap/coin.

Crown cap near a coin on the Deus, it can get a hit on both its a fast machine, but since the tone is nearly identical its just way more work on the Deus. Time is a factor in my hunts and I'm wasting a LOT more time with the Deus on crown caps where I waste virtually no time at all with an Explorer on that trash target.

Again its not a ding on the Deus, I purchased the Deus for gold, specifically small gold. Also deep silver and silver coins on edge, but its just not going to work well in medium to heavy crown caps. No problem I'll just use my Explorer SE Pro for crown cap infested sites.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: sprchng
Date: September 18, 2017 12:27PM
It will be interesting in six months to see if the level of defensiveness of the new Nox owners will be as high as that of Deus owners when it comes to each detectors short comings.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 18, 2017 12:47PM
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It will be interesting in six months to see if the level of defensiveness of the new Nox owners will be as high as that of Deus owners when it comes to each detectors short comings.

I'm looking at the Equinox to replace my 8 POUND Excalibur on salt water beaches. I don't really know if the Excalibur weighs 8 lbs, feels like it.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Frank in NH
Date: September 18, 2017 12:50PM
What happened to your waterproof Explorer?

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 18, 2017 01:16PM
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What happened to your waterproof Explorer?

Sold both of them. Explorer is not really good in knee to chest deep salt water, just a wave passing over the coil will cause it to false. So I have been using my Excal for that but the Excal damn its heavy and I'm too old to deal with it anymore. Recent spine surgery, replaced hip, its time to give up these heavy detectors.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: pasttom
Date: September 18, 2017 01:41PM
One thing not mentioned that totally one ups XP Deus is they claim you can charge on the fly with a standard cell phone external battery and usb cable. Man, it would be nice if that turns out to be accurate!!!



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Re: New Minelab
Posted by: enderman
Date: September 18, 2017 01:46PM
Interesting thing those crown caps, they vary so much it is hard to get a good read on them.

Something to think about though, we all want separation etc, so even if a detector can correctly ID the high alloy steel of the cap, what about the aluminum disc in the center?
I've dug these aluminum seals where the steel cap is completely rusted away.

I was thrown off a bit at first with the beercap thing and the Deus, for whatever reason it is not much of a problem now. Unless you want to dig Canadian clad which is 99.9% nickle or steel with the newer ones. A lot of times it's hard to tell the difference between a nickle coin and a beer cap. You can wiggle off, a nickle coin should have a low conductor zip at the end when a cap has more of the iron fart. The caps high tone when the coil is centered over it. Sometimes nickle is to close and being magnetic will fart. Nickle on edge can fart too.
Canadian steel coins are "sparky" sputzy high tone mixed with iron grunt that doesn't necessarily high tone over the center like a beercap does, it varies per swing and difficult to X out.
This will get rid of 70% of the caps, maybe 80% on a good day. The odd deep folded cap and "belly up" caps are still going to chime in.
Certain caps like Corona caps sound really good for steel.

I haven't tried it, but a suspect a lower reactivity might help with belly up caps. At some point a fast machine would pick out that aluminum disc I assume? I really don't know, just speculating based off some observations.

With time it gets better, if it's shallow and farting, it's probably a cap.

Re: New Minelab
Posted by: enderman
Date: September 18, 2017 01:48PM
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One thing not mentioned that totally one ups XP Deus is they claim you can charge on the fly with a standard cell phone external battery and usb cable. Man, it would be nice if that turns out to be accurate!!!

There is a guy on eBay that sells an adapter you can stick on your Deus coil to do just that. Converts it to a USB.

I have no idea the quality of it, but I think it's water proof.

If I find the listing again I will post it, no affiliation.


EDIT here is the listing. XP Deus Search Coil Charge Clip NEW NEW NEW



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Re: New Minelab
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 18, 2017 02:13PM
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I've dug these aluminum seals where the steel cap is completely rusted away.

So I'm not losing my mind, I dug one of these on my first Deus hunt and was going :blink: that was a first I ever dug one. Question, if you turn tone normalization off and reduce to say 8kHz do the crown caps drop down away from high conducting coins??

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