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A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: Dancer
Date: October 23, 2017 05:58AM
So looking for new ground, tried a park near where a Mding club roams. Big mistake. Just getting started, penny. Next 6 coins, pennies. About the way the hunt went. Did snag a fresh quarter & dime, one left over dime. Checking out the dozen pennies. Everyone zinks. Little park down the road, same story, no coppers. So I'm thinking these guys are all notching out the zinkoins. (Like trash)
You guys do that? Anyway , learned my lesson roaming over that way. Lol

Dancer

Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: sprchng
Date: October 23, 2017 06:18AM
Zincs of today are the pull tabs of yesterday.
They mask good coins just as well as nails and pull tabs so leaving them behind just cuts down on the amount of dirt a detectorist has to hunt , however today's detectorists don't show much affinity for doing what's best for the hobby.
Why expect them to start now?

Not only pennies
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: October 23, 2017 08:01AM
In terms of turfed parks (hence excluding relicky sites, beach, etc....) : Not only do the hard-core turf hunters probably pass the shallow zinc, but they probably pass all clad (all shallow stuff) entirely. Yes, even clad quarters, dimes, etc.... In their quest for getting only the old coins that tend to be deeper.

I know there's the arguments that:

a) "sometimes old coins can be shallow"

b) "sometimes those new coins could be masking older coins deeper beneath them."

c) "Why pass clad anyhow ? It adds up eventually."

d) "Sometimes a big man's gold ring can read up in the zinc range"

Blah blah blah. Those people think they can have the "best of both worlds" (both the old AND the new). But it never works out like that. Because when you keep stopping to dig the loud "bongs", not only is a large percentage of your day's time now spent digging clad, but your ears become subconsciously tuned to the loud bongs, and you begin missing the whispers. At the end of a turf hunt with those guys, the outcome is predicable: Example: They'll have 1 wheatie, 40 clad, and junk. I'll have 8 or 9 wheaties, 2 or 3 silver, and only 3 or 4 clad (deeper dimes that fooled me).

So it's not always possible to have the best of both worlds. Unless you simply have the liberty to stripmine a park.

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Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: Tom Slick
Date: October 23, 2017 08:49AM
I think Tom hit the nail directly on the head. :cheers:



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Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: Dancer
Date: October 23, 2017 11:22AM
So the Clad hunters are making it easier for the deep coin enthusiast. Cleaning everything up. I guess I'm one of them. The other side of the coin is- I believe mostly a dug Silver is only worth scrap prices. Last week , I dug silver quarter. Full scrap worth little over $3.00. That's 12 clad Quarter's. But I have also read right here that there are guys who sometimes dig a 100 silver's a year. Wow, man that's some kind of research & deep whispers. So it just takes all kinds of hunters.

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Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: Rick(ND)
Date: October 23, 2017 01:51PM
If it is a old area that is still being used then you have to dig the clad and zinc to get the old ones. I always like to hunt the old area where I been told there is nothing left as the new stuff is gone and I can listen for those weak signals most never hear with all the loud signals of the surface targets. Other area I don't mind digging the loud signals as along a sidewalk I got a louder signal and felt it was a dime, which is was, but was a 1876 seated dime only 2 inches deep. I know others may have thought it was a new coin and left it.

One of the guys around here we call the Silver king digs all coins and iffy signals and last year he got over $200 in new coins and got around 400- 450 pieces of silver too by digging all the coin signals and iffy ones too and getting nice tokens and some nice rings too. He does do a lot of research and a lot of driving too on weekends to get to the sites in ND,SD, MN and even Iowa.


Rick



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Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: Dancer
Date: October 23, 2017 02:27PM
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Rick(ND)
If it is a old area that is still being used then you have to dig the clad and zinc to get the old ones. I always like to hunt the old area where I been told there is nothing left as the new stuff is gone and I can listen for those weak signals most never hear with all the loud signals of the surface targets. Other area I don't mind digging the loud signals as along a sidewalk I got a louder signal and felt it was a dime, which is was, but was a 1876 seated dime only 2 inches deep. I know others may have thought it was a new coin and left it.

One of the guys around here we call the Silver king digs all coins and iffy signals and last year he got over $200 in new coins and got around 400- 450 pieces of silver too by digging all the coin signals and iffy ones too and getting nice tokens and some nice rings too. He does do a lot of research and a lot of driving too on weekends to get to the sites in ND,SD, MN and even Iowa.


Rick

Interesting stuff Rick. Those states you mentioned don't have a lot of population today, probably lot less in the Silver days.
That's some hunting !
Dancer

Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: Tom_in_CA
Date: October 24, 2017 12:20AM
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Dancer
.... So the Clad hunters are making it easier for the deep coin enthusiast. Cleaning everything up....

Believe it or not, that was actually the case in the old days. When the 6000D hit the market in '78 to '79-ish, the BEST parks were the "worked out" parks. Since, by definition, the yesteryear BFO's and TR-disc. had "cleaned out" the top 6" of coins. Getting that pesky clad and 1940s-50s losses out of the way.

I recall parks where the majority of silver was 1920s and earlier. Wondering "where's the 1940s/50s stuff ?" And it was due to the earlier generation cleaning out that pesky stuff :)

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Dancer
.... I dug silver quarter. Full scrap worth little over $3.00. That's 12 clad Quarter's. ....

Yes: If it's strictly a matter of financial gain, then yes: You might be better off going for clad, versus silver melt value. But that's like asking a fisherman: "Would you rather catch one wiley clever 5 lb bass ? Or 10 little .5 lb. bass ? The average fisherman would take the single larger fish. Knowing that it took 10x the skill to get that bass to take his lure, etc..... Ie.: the "sport" of the subject.

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Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: slingshot
Date: October 24, 2017 12:20PM
I' m laughing because the deep whispers can mean digging a pocketful of the older style tabs, crumpled canslaw and other trash-I've done it. And a lot of people have trouble pinpointing, so it's easy to take the simple way out. Don't get me wrong- I use my MX5 w/tones to sift thru the stuff. Just sayin'.

Re: A little twist on the Penny situation.
Posted by: Dancer
Date: October 24, 2017 12:51PM
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slingshot
I' m laughing because the deep whispers can mean digging a pocketful of the older style tabs, crumpled canslaw and other trash-I've done it. And a lot of people have trouble pinpointing, so it's easy to take the simple way out. Don't get me wrong- I use my MX5 w/tones to sift thru the stuff. Just sayin'.

Yeah Sling, the other day, dug down 7-8 inches for a golden pull tab. A career defining moment.
Dancer

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