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dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 21, 2013 05:22PM
...can someone who has one handy, tell me what a "war nickel" will ID at, numerically, on an Explorer when running a "middle" noise cancel number (say, 5 or 6).

I haven't dug one in ages, and I have been digging nickels religiously for the last year or so. I've become pretty proficient at sorting the nickels from the trash, but I have a feeling/recollection that war nickels will ID differently than a standard nickel -- hence why I haven't dug any lately. I don't recall how the last one I dug ID'd, and since all mine are in 2x2 holders (stapled -- such that the staples will throw the ID off), I wondered if someone could simply "air test" one at a mid noise cancel number, and tell me what it ID's digitally at...

THANKS!

Steve



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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: dewcon4414
Date: June 21, 2013 05:47PM
Steve maybe this will help..... http://www.findmall.com/read.php?10,922673

Dew



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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 21, 2013 07:05PM
Dew --

I forgot all about that post. I even printed out those charts, and have them somewhere! :)

That helps; it looks like 09-07, maybe 09-06...

If anyone can confirm these numbers, AT NOISE CANCEL CHANNEL 5 or 6, that'd be super. For those who didn't know (I know you do, Dew), noise cancel channels can affect the ID of mid and low conductors fairly significantly...

THANKS!

Steve



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Norman, OK

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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: dewcon4414
Date: June 22, 2013 07:16AM
As can higher sensitivity Steve. To much and that extended coil HOLA does crazy things to TID. These digital reading change on some machines because of our settings and area.... but it gets you in the ball park on the smart screen.

Dew



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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: Steve(OR)
Date: June 22, 2013 04:19PM
Done: http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,926151,926415#msg-926415

Geez, I haven't posted in over 2 years...

SCM

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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 22, 2013 10:20PM
Howdy, Steve...

07-22?????!!!!

That right there is CRAZY. I can't imagine that...

WOW. That really fries my brain...

Steve



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Norman, OK

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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: dewcon4414
Date: June 23, 2013 05:54AM
Steve.... reading could vary depending on the soil and wear. The Mag. does bleed out depending on the soil, leaving a higher than normal silver reading.

Dew



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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 23, 2013 08:56AM
dew --

I can understand some variance; not sure what happens to manganese while in the ground, so maybe it does "leach out" to some degree or whatever, but still... 09-06/07 to 07-22 is a HUGE difference...

Steve



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Norman, OK

Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: Dan-Pa.
Date: June 23, 2013 09:18AM
Whats really important it gives you the ability to hunt....always remember hunting near a large sign and when it turned on Explorer went crazy...
one quick noise cancel and was back to normal again....imagine some freq's help and some hurt rel depth etc. but that's not the reason noise cancel is on the unit( plainly said just gives you the ability to hunt under various conditions)

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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 23, 2013 10:43AM
Dan -- agreed, the "purpose" of noise cancel is to help mitigate EMI. However, there are many other things that can be utilized to one's advantage, with respect to noise cancel.

Here's one I just discovered recently...there's a park back home in PA, and when I'm there visiting, I like to hit this park. It's a beat-to-death park, with few finds left, but is very old, so I like to give it a shot when I'm there. BUT -- the problem is, the park is literally filled with some type of mineralized rocks which give very high-tone "false-like" tones. The high-tone barrage is near constant -- and it's really tough/tedious to pick high conductors out of the constant high-tone "falses." It's so bad, that the last time I hunted there, last summer, I decided to just dig low and mid tones (and got a nice "V" nickel as a result); hunting this way I was able to just "ignore" the high-tone barrage (and, unfortunately, any silver that might have been hiding within), and listen for lower tones, which stood out distinctly from amongst the high-tone barrage.

Here's the interesting part, though. Right before I left the park that day, I did some experimenting -- knowing that changing the noise cancel channel will change how certain targets ID/tone on and Explorer. I tried all the different noise cancel channels, and discovered a surprise. While most of the channels didn't change much with respect to the machine's response to the minearlas, I found that switching to noise cancel channel 11 changed all that high-tone "falsing" to MID-tone falsing. Meanwhile, I know from experience that a silver coin will still high-tone, even on noise cancel channel 11. SO, what that means is, using channel 11 (and thus switching the barrage of tones resulting from the mineralized rocks from high-tone to mid-tone), would allow the high-tone silver/copper coins to "stand out" distinctly from among the minerals (which would now be MID-TONE), in much the same way that the lower-toned targets (like my V-nickel) stood out from the high-tone minerals when running noise cancel channel 5.

It was right at the end of the hunt, and so I had to leave, when I discovered this, and thus could not test this out the last time I was there. HOWEVER, I'm headed back home to PA in a couple of weeks, and you can bet I'm going to try this out (noise cancel channel 11) at this park, and see what happens...

Steve



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Norman, OK

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Running noise cancel (changing frequency channel) can change your conductive reading beleive it or not.N/T
Posted by: NealNoIN
Date: June 24, 2013 06:59PM

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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 24, 2013 08:31PM
NealNoIN --

Absolutely. Especially on mid and low conductors. A silver dime varies by only about one number, on the CO side, from the lowest noise cancel channel (1) to the highest (11). BUT, mid and low conductors change more. A nickel ranges from 05 to 07 conductive -- very significant, when nickel hunting, because SO many pull tabs and such ring in so close to nickels, that precision really helps (thus I ALWAYS hunt nickels at noise cancel channel 5 -- which makes nickels hit at 06 conductive very consistently, unless deep and/or partially masked). BUT, the real surprise is on mid conductors. My wedding band, which is 08 FE and 19 CO at mid noise cancel channels, moves to an 09 FE and 19 CO at noise cancel channel 11, and 08 FE and 21 CO (if memory serves me correctly) at noise cancel channel 1...

While I hunt by sound, I do pay attention to the numbers, and knowing how the values change depending upon noise cancel channel can be important...

Steve



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Norman, OK

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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: McDave
Date: June 25, 2013 02:42PM
I have dug war nickels that chimed-in at 7-22 also. And they are always quite higher on the Smartfind screen .. if I remember correctly just above center screen and slightly to the right.



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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 25, 2013 04:42PM
Dave --

You have dug 07-22's as well?

OK -- this piques my interest, big-time.

Any chance you might, when you have time, scan your war nickels (at noise cancel channel 5), and report back where each one reads? I know the ones I found did NOT read high like that, but I'm going to take them out of the 2x2s and check...

I really want to start digging war nickels, and I can tell you right now, if some of them ring in at 07-22, it explains why I'm not digging those ones...07-22 is usually a specific type of rectangular tab, for me. So, I don't dig them. From now on, I'm digging 07-22's that are deep, if some war nickels are really hitting in that range. Noteworthy is that a $5 gold piece also supposedly hits at 07-22...hmm... :)

Steve



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Re: dumb question, but...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: June 25, 2013 08:25PM
Anyone else, as well, who is willing to check out some "war" nickels for me, I'd appreciate it...

This is really interesting...

Steve



Minelab Explorer SE Pro, Fisher Gold Bug Pro (DP)
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Norman, OK



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