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Separation of church and state does not apply here-only to the government
Posted by: vlad
Date: November 02, 2017 12:25AM
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." is the constitution..
Separation of church and state (was in a letter written by Jefferson in 1802). is not even in the Constitution's 1st Amendment, or Federalist Papers.
Its an internal matter of this congregation; but apparently there is something to relocating the plaques to a new location that makes people uneasy ...
remains to be seen about the final disposition of the plaques..........over time.
(and the members who put the plaques up originally obviously did not deem them sacrilegious...the key word being [white] "men" here....and this appears a political decision in the end)
CNN
"After the events in Charlottesville, those conversations came more to the forefront, they became more intense," said Noelle York-Simmons, the Rector of Christ Church, a small colonial parish that was founded in 1773. "It became clear to the Vestry -- the governing body of the Church -- that we needed to take these conversations more seriously."
Because the plaques were installed as a pair, they're being removed as a pair as well.

Emily Bryan, Senior Warden of Christ Church, spoke to congregants about the decision to remove and relocate the plaques. In a copy of her speech obtained by CNN, Bryan told parishioners that "the plaques in our sanctuary make some in our presence feel unsafe or unwelcome" but Bryan also added that the plaques "will stay very prominently be displayed, in a place that will better tell our history."
I guess the ghost of those two on horseback rode down that woman? :drinking:



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2017 04:42AM by vlad.





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Here is the text of a letter I sent to the Episcopal Church, USA regarding the decision to remove plaques commemorating RE Lee and G Washington from their church:

Greg (E.Tn)235November 01, 2017 09:04PM

Churches all over in Europe and even the U.S., have already removed statues of Saints, crosses, pulpits, and altars, so as to not offend our new illegal immigrants of Islam. URL

bulletman76November 02, 2017 06:18AM

Commendable, very Christian! :clapping:

Steve(Can)82November 02, 2017 02:01PM

Re: Commendable, very Christian! :clapping:

hawgdawg72November 02, 2017 02:35PM

It always seems that way, Hawgdawg, don't it. :lol:N/T

Steve(Can)57November 02, 2017 02:38PM

Thanks Bulletman.

Greg (E.Tn)71November 02, 2017 10:26AM

Re: Churches all over in Europe and even the U.S., have already removed statues of Saints, crosses, pulpits, and altars, so as to not offend our new illegal immigrants of Islam.

doc holiday23259November 02, 2017 09:53AM

Poland has resisted the EU's open border immigration. They hold steadfast and have constantly told the EU to "stick it".N/T

bulletman127November 02, 2017 11:52AM

Video: The Polish people marched against Muslim immigration. It was the largest march in Polands history. I believe it was 150,000 strong! We should learn a lesson from the Polish people.

bulletman128November 02, 2017 12:07PM

Now as you've pointed out on a number of occasions, bullets, you are Jewish...

Steve(Can)87November 02, 2017 02:24PM

I haven't seen any Christians or Jews involved with MASS killings lately??

bulletman130November 02, 2017 07:19PM

Fair enough. Out of interest and while I've got you on the line, Bulletman, from your perspective was Hitler a Christian?N/T

Steve(Can)46November 02, 2017 10:27PM

He was not

vlad67November 03, 2017 12:34AM

Thanks Vlad. Still interested in hearing BM;s perspective.N/T

Steve(Can)57November 03, 2017 07:56AM

Re: Thanks Vlad. Still interested in hearing BM;s perspective.

bulletman126November 03, 2017 08:49AM

Yeah, you and Vlad sum it up pretty well... Jpeg Attachments

Steve(Can)73November 04, 2017 12:46AM

Thanks Steve. You are 100 percent correct, and I didn't want to be the one "pointing the finger" at one of the two churches that collaborated with Hitler!N/T

bulletman41November 04, 2017 11:15AM

Given the history, what i don't understand, Bulletman...

Steve(Can)62November 04, 2017 11:57AM

The Jewish people have been fighting for their existence for thousands of years against Egypt, the Arabs, and now the Muslims. Why should we give in and allow them to terminate our existence???

bulletman58November 04, 2017 02:21PM

While 0bama did not list Israel as terrorist he treated them as a cancer to be excised Gif Attachments

vlad43November 04, 2017 04:38PM

I understand, bulletman

Steve(Can)47November 04, 2017 04:20PM

Here is a question for you Steve... well for actually any one here

Mikie50November 04, 2017 06:02PM

Re: Here is a question for you Steve... well for actually any one here

calfrope57November 04, 2017 08:43PM

Thank You Mikie. Just to think that Israel only "defends" itself from its neighbors. We have never provoked anything!!!N/T

bulletman99November 04, 2017 07:06PM

Dead on, Mike

Steve(Can)35November 04, 2017 06:24PM

Mikie in your normal fashion-you just said it better than anybody. :biggrin:

vlad49November 04, 2017 06:11PM

Odd thing Steve to see a country defending their existence

vlad47November 04, 2017 06:00PM

Steve: A constant nagging within my mind. You remind me of my father , who is a pacifist jew.

bulletman59November 04, 2017 03:26PM

Actually, Bulletman, it was one of the things that I always thought was kind of different about you...

Steve(Can)47November 04, 2017 04:34PM

Separating church and state is one thing...... Gif Attachments

vlad61November 02, 2017 09:05AM

Sorry Greg, I was going to post on this earlier, but didn't bother...

Steve(Can)81November 01, 2017 09:52PM

Separation of church and state does not apply here-only to the government Gif Attachments

vlad88November 02, 2017 12:25AM

Separation of church and state aside...

Steve(Can)78November 02, 2017 09:17AM

Are the great men depicted as servants of God strong in his influence?

vlad65November 02, 2017 10:02AM

Good points, Vlad, saints and patriarchs, interesting...N/T

Steve(Can)57November 02, 2017 10:09AM

Jesus........

vlad75November 01, 2017 09:30PM

Re: Here is the text of a letter I sent to the Episcopal Church, USA regarding the decision to remove plaques commemorating RE Lee and G Washington from their church:

hawgdawg127November 01, 2017 09:21PM

Hawgdawg....

Greg (E.Tn)85November 02, 2017 10:34AM



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