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Yeah, you and Vlad sum it up pretty well...
Posted by: Steve(Can)
Date: November 04, 2017 12:46AM
Yeah, whatever remnants there were of Hitler's Christian upbringing became pretty twisted in his twisted mind: that Jesus was not a Jew, but was really of Aryan decent, his desire to remove all Jewish references from the Bible and create a "positive christianity" Reich church more suited to the German race. Though he was for the most part indifferent about religion, as Vlad mentioned, he knew he had to coddle the German people (about a 70% - 30% split Protestant and Catholic and about 1% Jewish) in speeches and outward shows of support for christianity.

But always at the centre of that, untermensch. the view that Jews, Arabs, Poles, Serbs, gypsies, blacks etc were subhuman, with the Jews to be exterminated outright, the others used for slave labour. Strangely, with those ideas, Hitler had a lot of help from the father of the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther (1483–1546), who in latter life ranted about the Jews and wrote that their schools and synagogues should be burnt, deny them safe passage, take away their wealth, that they were dogs and the German people are to blame for not killing them.

WWII German belt buckles: God is with us

WWII German Field Bible

Odd isn't it. Though it would be a pretty unreasonable stretch to call WWII a religious war, there at it's heart is religion, albeit a pretty twisted nationalist religion. Both sides claiming God on their side; fathers, sons, brothers on both sides carrying Bibles into battle, Mothers, wives on both sides praying for victory, but mostly for protection and the safe return of loved ones. And in the end, the people of Germany praying that when the defences of their towns and villages fell, that they fell to the Americans and not to the Russians.

Christians at war with Christians, for the most part in the European theatre anyways (not to forget 500,000 of Jewish decent and 15,000 Muslims in the US forces, 1 million muslims that fought under the British flag, including the Palestine Regiment in which Jews and Muslims fought side by side, as well as a couple million muslims in the Russian army). For the most part though, Christians at war with Christians.

But again, not really a religious war... more a war of a twisted religious/nationalism that was rotting and evil at the core, more of a war in the defence of freedom. As President Roosevelt said at the time in his speech, the Four Freedoms,
"In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression—everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way—everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want—which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants—everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world.

That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.

— Franklin D. Roosevelt, January 6, 1941"


"Some very good people have some very bad ideas."
---Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia


"“Do the right thing, then suffer the consequences.”
---Sheriff David Ward


"Come get your duds in order 'cause we're bound across the water,
Heave away, me jollies, heave away.
Come get your duds in order 'cause we're bound to leave tomorrow,
Heave away, me jolly boys, we're all bound away..."

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2017 12:48AM by Steve(Can).


Here is the text of a letter I sent to the Episcopal Church, USA regarding the decision to remove plaques commemorating RE Lee and G Washington from their church:

Greg (E.Tn)236November 01, 2017 09:04PM

Churches all over in Europe and even the U.S., have already removed statues of Saints, crosses, pulpits, and altars, so as to not offend our new illegal immigrants of Islam. URL

bulletman77November 02, 2017 06:18AM

Commendable, very Christian! :clapping:

Steve(Can)82November 02, 2017 02:01PM

Re: Commendable, very Christian! :clapping:

hawgdawg73November 02, 2017 02:35PM

It always seems that way, Hawgdawg, don't it. :lol:N/T

Steve(Can)59November 02, 2017 02:38PM

Thanks Bulletman.

Greg (E.Tn)72November 02, 2017 10:26AM

Re: Churches all over in Europe and even the U.S., have already removed statues of Saints, crosses, pulpits, and altars, so as to not offend our new illegal immigrants of Islam.

doc holiday23261November 02, 2017 09:53AM

Poland has resisted the EU's open border immigration. They hold steadfast and have constantly told the EU to "stick it".N/T

bulletman134November 02, 2017 11:52AM

Video: The Polish people marched against Muslim immigration. It was the largest march in Polands history. I believe it was 150,000 strong! We should learn a lesson from the Polish people.

bulletman135November 02, 2017 12:07PM

Now as you've pointed out on a number of occasions, bullets, you are Jewish...

Steve(Can)90November 02, 2017 02:24PM

I haven't seen any Christians or Jews involved with MASS killings lately??

bulletman138November 02, 2017 07:19PM

Fair enough. Out of interest and while I've got you on the line, Bulletman, from your perspective was Hitler a Christian?N/T

Steve(Can)48November 02, 2017 10:27PM

He was not

vlad67November 03, 2017 12:34AM

Thanks Vlad. Still interested in hearing BM;s perspective.N/T

Steve(Can)59November 03, 2017 07:56AM

Re: Thanks Vlad. Still interested in hearing BM;s perspective.

bulletman135November 03, 2017 08:49AM

Yeah, you and Vlad sum it up pretty well... Jpeg Attachments

Steve(Can)74November 04, 2017 12:46AM

Thanks Steve. You are 100 percent correct, and I didn't want to be the one "pointing the finger" at one of the two churches that collaborated with Hitler!N/T

bulletman41November 04, 2017 11:15AM

Given the history, what i don't understand, Bulletman...

Steve(Can)64November 04, 2017 11:57AM

The Jewish people have been fighting for their existence for thousands of years against Egypt, the Arabs, and now the Muslims. Why should we give in and allow them to terminate our existence???

bulletman59November 04, 2017 02:21PM

While 0bama did not list Israel as terrorist he treated them as a cancer to be excised Gif Attachments

vlad43November 04, 2017 04:38PM

I understand, bulletman

Steve(Can)48November 04, 2017 04:20PM

Here is a question for you Steve... well for actually any one here

Mikie50November 04, 2017 06:02PM

Re: Here is a question for you Steve... well for actually any one here

calfrope57November 04, 2017 08:43PM

Thank You Mikie. Just to think that Israel only "defends" itself from its neighbors. We have never provoked anything!!!N/T

bulletman107November 04, 2017 07:06PM

Dead on, Mike

Steve(Can)36November 04, 2017 06:24PM

Mikie in your normal fashion-you just said it better than anybody. :biggrin:

vlad50November 04, 2017 06:11PM

Odd thing Steve to see a country defending their existence

vlad49November 04, 2017 06:00PM

Steve: A constant nagging within my mind. You remind me of my father , who is a pacifist jew.

bulletman62November 04, 2017 03:26PM

Actually, Bulletman, it was one of the things that I always thought was kind of different about you...

Steve(Can)48November 04, 2017 04:34PM

Separating church and state is one thing...... Gif Attachments

vlad62November 02, 2017 09:05AM

Sorry Greg, I was going to post on this earlier, but didn't bother...

Steve(Can)82November 01, 2017 09:52PM

Separation of church and state does not apply here-only to the government Gif Attachments

vlad91November 02, 2017 12:25AM

Separation of church and state aside...

Steve(Can)79November 02, 2017 09:17AM

Are the great men depicted as servants of God strong in his influence?

vlad65November 02, 2017 10:02AM

Good points, Vlad, saints and patriarchs, interesting...N/T

Steve(Can)58November 02, 2017 10:09AM


vlad75November 01, 2017 09:30PM

Re: Here is the text of a letter I sent to the Episcopal Church, USA regarding the decision to remove plaques commemorating RE Lee and G Washington from their church:

hawgdawg134November 01, 2017 09:21PM


Greg (E.Tn)86November 02, 2017 10:34AM

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