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Re: Sovereign and Excalibur Search Coils
Posted by: Critterhunter
Date: July 14, 2012 03:24PM
Here's one I forget about. Only heard it mentioned once in this thread below...A Ferret Hot Head 5" search coil for the Sovereign. I suspect this was just the early name for the Detech 5 or 6" Detech Excelerator coils (I think they made a 5 and then/now a 6" Excelerator coil for the Sovereign as I've read I think both of a 5 and 6" Excelerator for it at one time or another...I think they just make a 6" for it now, if they ever did make a 5"?).

To confuse things even more I found a reference to an 8" Ferret Hot Head coil for the Sovereign too somewhere that was said to be a concentric perhaps, but I don't know if they were talking about an actual Ferrett or the actual newer 8" concentric coil Detech made up until a couple of years ago? And, does that then mean that the 5" Ferret was a double DD or was it a concentric too (if there was an 8" concentric Ferret coil)? :blink:

Anyway, then again the Hot Head line of coils were notoriously bad coils from way back in the day. The only machines I ever heard they were any good on *maybe* was like an 8, 10, or 12 (can't remember) inch version for Garretts that I think I remember some said did show them a depth improvement. On the other hand, even if this 5" Hot Head is NOT just the early name for the much better (than Hot Heads) 5 or 6" Excelerator trash coil(s) and indeed is not the same coil as that (or those if there was both a 5 and 6" Excelerator), I guess it wouldn't matter much...As a little coil like that only needs good seperation and depth isn't too much of a concern I guess to many people in a trash coil.

By the way, don't confuse the Hot Heads with the 12" Hot Shot by Jimmy Seria, although I owned two of those for my Whites and they were junk. They became unstable after about ten minutes at each new site. Now I know why they made them white, because they were trying to prevent them from warming up in the sun and shifting the coil windings because the coil wasn't filled with epoxy.

Also, while many have good things to say about the 5/6 inch Excelerator coil(s), there is hardly any talk on the net about the bigger Excelerator coils. They came/come in 12", 14", 16", and I think an 18" size. There might have also been a 10" one for a while. For sure the early versions of these were mostly reported to be junk and I *think* they were called Penetrators. Later, I heard they came out with an improved version that *might* have been called just Excelerators or Excelerator EQ2 coils or something like that. Don't think they were still called Penetrators with the new versions but they might have been? Anyway, those new versions were said to be better, but once again there was/is almost zero message traffic on the net about them. That makes me suspicious, as they've been around much longer than the SEF coils and look at all the buzz about them for the Sovereign on the net (not just here from me). Regardless, not sure if Kellyco still carries these sizes these days or just the smaller 5/6" coil(s). It might be that even if they don't Detech still makes them for sale over seas at various places. Also, I see Kellyco has/had a 8" Excelerator for the Sovereign listed on their site a few months back. Not sure if it's still up there, but It's a solid coil like the 5/6" coil(s), so I wonder if it's in fact just that one(s) and was mislabled as an 8"? Curiously, Kellyco stopped carrying the 8" Detech concentric a couple years back or so, so if there is indeed a 8" Sovereign coil at Kellyco the question is is it a new 8" DD coil or the concentric one once again?

By the way, the 5/6" coil(s) and the 8" one(s) are solid, while the bigger detech Penetrator/Excelerator/Whatever they were and are now called coils are open framed loops like the Tornado or the WOT.

Yes, I know tons of useless details...:biggrin: But I like to get all that kind of stuff on record in this sticky in case somebody ever comes across an odd Sovereign/Excal coil for sale and wonders "What the heck is that thing?!" Now you know....Or then again maybe not...:biggrin: Because I'm not sure I got all the details right myself. If anybody has any corrections or additions please correct me, and if you know of an odd and rare Sovereign/Excal coil please post some details and a pic if you have it. For instance, vaguely I think from memory there were also Sovereign solid white coils sold by Kellyco years ago. Big ones like 12 or 14". I'm not talking about the 11 or 12" solid Minelab or Sunray coils (wasn't there a solid white version of the 8" Coinsearch coil made by Minelab that was an 11" coil and also a solid white version of the Sun Ray S-12 before it became the open framed black one they sell now?). Anyway, if other solid white large coils existed that Kellyco sold made by another company I *think* those old Kellyco catalogs called them Penetrators and were made by Detech. If that's true and my memory is right, that was before the open framed black Penetrators which I think later became the Excelerator or Excelerator EQ2 coils I guess? Somebody correct me here if I'm wrong about any of this stuff.

Anyway, if anybody has a pic of this supposed "Hot Head" 5" Sovereign coil I'd like to see it and if it looks like it is in fact a 5" Excelerator and just had a name change early one. I'd also like to see pics and any details about any other rare Sovereign/Excal coils. Here's a link to a thread on the 5" Hot Head Ferret...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1498182,1499822#msg-1499822



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2012 03:38PM by Critterhunter.


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