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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: Wayfarer
Date: January 12, 2016 03:38PM
Thanks Steve. I am one of those people who are overjoyed to have a waterproof MXT, in fact, I've been posting and openly begging White's for an upgraded MXT for several years. I'll say it: thanks White's for improving upon the MXT and not getting sidetracked by dual frequencies or the need for other marketing hype. The MXT is/was a great performer and worthy of continued evolutionary (not revolutionary) development.

There's something about the MXT that is special, the way it handles and reacts and communicates, that is NOT reflected by numerical specs or features lists in the brochures. I spent a year each concertedly trying to learn the V3i and the CTX 3030, and while they're good machines, in the end I went back to the MXT and was happy to do so. The difference in "feel" between the V3i and MXT is not something you can put a number on, but is obvious to anyone that has used both.

Quite simply put, White's made something special with the MXT. As Keith Southern and NASA Tom have said, basically it's the Dave Johnson bred DNA, and it looks like it going to live on in the new MX Sport.



Current detectors: White's V3i, MXT, XL Pro
Past: White's XLT, 6000D Series 3, Coinmaster 2DB, Minelab CTX 3030, Fisher Gold Bug Pro
Location: Western Idaho
Detecting since 1980



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2016 03:40PM by Wayfarer.

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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: Larry (IL)
Date: January 12, 2016 07:58PM
Wayfare, is the special "feel" you are describing reflected in the audio response of targets, or something else?



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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: irnwrkr
Date: January 12, 2016 08:01PM
Talked to a guy that field tested one...says we are going to love it

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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: Wayfarer
Date: January 12, 2016 08:29PM
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Larry (IL)
Wayfare, is the special "feel" you are describing reflected in the audio response of targets, or something else?

Good question! And I don't mind if I go ahead and ramble on a bit with an answer. The "feel" is in the audio response, yes. The instantaneous target audio when passing over the target, with NO discernible processing delay. A feeling of being directly and immediately connected to what your coil is passing over. I know the MXT is technically digital, but it doesn't try to do too much. A few simple controls, a simple dot-matrix VDI display, and some audio options, and that's about it.

After a couple decades on analog machines, maybe I got spoiled :closedeyes: All the later digital machines I've tried introduced some degree or another of processor delay. The CTX 3030 wasn't too bad, but it was there. About the worst was the White's V-series. "Laggy" as heck.

Also, the audio on the MXT is "honest" down to all the little spits and sputters. It tells you everything and lets your own brain be the signal processor. The MXT is doing very little signal and audio processing. Many digital machines try to quiet the signal down to make it easier to understand for the novice, and consequently, they over-process, they lose the fine rise and fall of a signal, they lose the "feel" of the target. The MXT, on the other hand, is like an older sports car: noisy, raw, responsive, and pure delight.



Current detectors: White's V3i, MXT, XL Pro
Past: White's XLT, 6000D Series 3, Coinmaster 2DB, Minelab CTX 3030, Fisher Gold Bug Pro
Location: Western Idaho
Detecting since 1980



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2016 08:36PM by Wayfarer.

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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: Larry (IL)
Date: January 12, 2016 10:03PM
I thought that might be what you were talking about, the MXT is pretty unique because it is a hybrid Digital/Analog detector and I'm curious if that technology is carried over to the MXSport. On the MXT, just about everything is digital except the audio is converted back to analog which accounts for that special "feel".

It amazes me when hunting with Nancy, she calls most of her silver finds with a high degree of accuracy before digging them...... I hear her say, this one sounds real good honey.......:biggrin: More often than not, she is right.



Bells and whistles are nice, but nothing will substitute for the basic understanding of the hobby.

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"... a hybrid Digital/Analog detector ..."
Posted by: Monte
Date: January 14, 2016 07:44AM
Larry, that is exactly what I have said to describe the MXT audio and performance behavior since I used my original MXT after it was released. The MXT Pro carries on the same digital/analog blend that you can hear and even feel, if experienced enough with the MXT series. The M6, an abbreviated MXT, has the additional 7-Tone audio ID, and that White's incorporated in the MXT Pro/All-Pro model.

As for the coming MX Sport, I believe they have based more of the design on the MX5, not the original MXT or current MXT All-Pro. The MX5 already had the 1-Tone, 2-Tone and 8-Tone options, not a 7-Tone, and while the MX5 is kind of based on the MXT platform, as they say, it is more of an all-digital design and lacks the audio qualities of the MXT's. Not that the MX5 is bad, it is just 'different' and using it you can tell it is more of the 'modern' digital circuitry design.

Monte



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Re: "... a hybrid Digital/Analog detector ..."
Posted by: Wayfarer
Date: January 14, 2016 08:10AM
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Monte
As for the coming MX Sport, I believe they have based more of the design on the MX5, not the original MXT or current MXT All-Pro. ... while the MX5 is kind of based on the MXT platform, as they say, it is more of an all-digital design and lacks the audio qualities of the MXT's. Not that the MX5 is bad, it is just 'different' and using it you can tell it is more of the 'modern' digital circuitry design.

Monte

I was thinking that maybe the MX Sport was based on the Treasure Pro series, just looking ay the housing and screen. Basing it on the MX5 is something I hadn't even thought of. You're right the tones seem to point to an MX5. Even if it is based on the MX5, I hope White's engineers and testers tried to preserve and incorporate the "feel" of the old MXT.

That's the big question: whether it's a real MXT that has been updated and improved, or if it's something else that has been designed to be "MXT-like" and ride the coat tails of the MXT's great reputation. Time will tell. Can't wait for the first field reports from experienced detectorists, and then we'll know.

By the way, White's also has the MX Sport on it's website. No further details, just a nice photo. Sure looks good!



Current detectors: White's V3i, MXT, XL Pro
Past: White's XLT, 6000D Series 3, Coinmaster 2DB, Minelab CTX 3030, Fisher Gold Bug Pro
Location: Western Idaho
Detecting since 1980

Re: Mxsport
Posted by: irnwrkr
Date: January 15, 2016 05:28PM
Im getting one... the waterproof has my ears perked up

Re: Mxsport
Posted by: dirtmaster
Date: January 15, 2016 08:30PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyOQwwIbgSw



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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: MattBullSummerville
Date: January 17, 2016 09:24AM
You hit the nail on head Steve. All companies have to update and improve their line up of detectors to compete. This could be just the start of updates for Whites. For all those multi frequency wishers out there, what about an updated Beach Hunter in a new package with new features? Maybe a water proof V3i with more frequencies and even better performance to compete with the Xcal. Some current models may be dropped, prices adjusted as we see with other companies. Myself personally, I will take an MXT over an AT Pro anytime, no offense AT Pro. I will pay a little more for a water proof MXT ( MX Sport) whatever you want to call it that dog can hang with and out hunt a AT Pro, given that the performance is as good or better than the current MXT Pro. There is a point where I have to compare feature for feature, performance to performance of the machines on the market to justify a price. That's the hardest part of making a decision to purchase a detector for everyone I feel. I say god luck Whites, role that puppy out and let's see what you got! Price it right and it better be good.

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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: steve herschbach
Date: January 17, 2016 11:30PM
My guess is this is more an MX5 beefed up to be MXT like than the other way around. That is not a bad thing per se but I do suspect the audio is going to be more like the MX5 than the MXT. Time will tell I guess. You maybe give a little here but gain quite a bit there also. Always the nature of the beast when talking detectors it seems.

I am not seeing much from the MXT missing other than intangibles like the audio. The main thing that sticks out is the MXT has a variable disc knob which was great in Relic mode for setting the tone break. The MX Sport uses the same set of notch select target id bins as the MX5 and each can be accepted or rejected, but you lose than fine control an adjustable knob offers.

Main thing for me is I really wanted the MX5 but one thing held me back - always being in ground tracking. I prefer to have the ability to lock and use ground grab, and the MX Sport offers just that. Good to go as far as I am concerned. MX5 has 1, 2, and 8 tones. MX Sport 1, 2, 4, 8, and 20 tones. Some people find full blown tone hunting too busy, but I like it, so 20 tones suits me fine.

OK here is the part where you can call me crazy. I like gold, gold is my thing. You guys can have the coins. What I really liked in the MX5 was the notch selection capability missing on the MXT. Lots of ferrous wraps around high tone and guys digging silver have to deal with ferrous that wraps high. Me, I am more inclined to hunt tones but when I do want to actually reject targets, I will reject low ferrous, accept up to near zinc penny, and reject zinc penny on up. Just hunt the solid gold range only and leave the lose change for everyone else. or maybe just notch in quarters to pay for gas money.

Some coin detectors are so arrogant as to not allow you to even knock out coin range targets, like that is all people hunt for. I have a model made by the competition that I like but it will not let me notch out high coin. I use my V3i instead for that, but have never really warmed up to the V3i like I did the MXT. MX5 almost did it for me except that one little thing. I am thinking that competitor machine is going to get sold and replaced by an MX Sport.

Hopefully we see a pumped up Beachhunter stuffed into this box - I would welcome that. But I think White's made a wise move with this unit as the MXT is one of the most popular and successful detectors ever made by anyone. I am willing to pay more for this than what you can get other brands for and many others will also. You guys want to stay with the other brand just because they cost less, that's fine. I like the way this looks to be built better myself. This addresses the only thing that held me back from the MX5 and is waterproof and lighter than an MXT - sign me up!

I read all that and I still sound like a White's dealer after all these years. Go figure.



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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: MattBullSummerville
Date: January 18, 2016 08:20AM
I'm right there with you Steve, ground grab, lighter than the MXT, water proof, back light, and multi tone, I'll pay a little more than some other brands for sure. Couple all this with Whites customer service, sold!

Re: Mxsport
Posted by: poorman
Date: January 18, 2016 04:44PM
Will it find gold at least as well as the MXT? I'm talking Nuggets.

Re: Mxsport
Posted by: St Bernard
Date: January 20, 2016 10:28AM
Just received an E-Mail from Whites And they say the new Mxsport will be out in less than 4 weeks from today and no cost yet. Thanks
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Re: Mxsport
Posted by: Harold,ILL.
Date: January 23, 2016 06:56PM
One thing I wish it Had was a Adjustable Modulated Audio setting or At least a Modulation ON/OFF Like other Whites eventhough MXT doesn't have it. Otherwise I love the 4 Tone I.D. an waterproof submersible. But Modulated Audio would have been a Home run for Me. Stll Good to see White's still in the game as always have a soft spot for White's detectors as found my first silver coin with a XLT. And to this day Have a XL-PRO old school analog that is just plain fun to take out every now and then.

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