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Re: Beach hunting question from a turf hunter...
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 29, 2017 03:04PM
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sgoss66
Charles --

Appreciate the info, and encouragement regarding the SE Pro. I knew it wouldn't do well on the smallest gold, or gold chains/bracelets (if no pendants attached). But, I knew it would be a respectable performer on many rings, while also (as you said) allowing me to skip some of the "undesirable" stuff. Meanwhile, thanks for the info regarding the wet sand -- just off the surface, but not touching, and particular attention to keeping the coil level at the end of the swings. I do that anyway (the "level coil" thing) -- it's a big focus of mine, but I'll be sure to be doubly attentive over the wet sand.

THANKS!

Steve

Three more things quickly, if you touch the coil to wet seaweed on the wet sand it may false. If you are detecting along the edge of the surf, a wave flowing over your coil will cause a false, the electrically conductive salt water upsets the coil balance. If you are wading out in calm water its not an issue the auto ground balance deals with it.

Finally there are transition lines in the wet sand, from sopping wet, to wet, to damp. If you are detecting parallel to the water right on one of these transition lines basically the ground balance varies so much in a single swing you will get a false, the auto ground balance can't keep up with such a drastic change in a single swing. The solution is turn 90 degrees and detect up/down the beach between the lower beach near the water, and the upper beach towards the dry sand. This way the ground balance changes gradually as you walk up/down the slope. :thumbup:

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Re: Beach hunting question from a turf hunter...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: September 30, 2017 04:46AM
Wow, Charles...

That's some good stuff right there. Wow. I'll keep in mind about the seaweed, and about a wave hitting the coil. But that thing about "perpendicular to the water's edge," vs. parallel? Wow. That makes total sense, and yet it isn't something I would have thought of. Because, presuming I experienced that falsing, I would have simply concluded "that's just what you have to deal with, when beach hunting in wet sand..." I wouldn't have thought there was any way to mitigate it, that simply a 90-degree change in hunting detecting direction would "fix" things...but it makes total sense why it would. Great stuff there, and I thank you for that. Definitely these tips are going into my "mental notes" for when I'm there. I really don't expect to find anything of any value; it's the "off season," I know nothing about "reading" a beach, etc., so I plan to just kill a little time and enjoy myself -- but these tips you are giving will certainly allow me to up the odds in my favor.

THANKS, Charles!

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Explorer SE Pro
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

Re: Beach hunting question from a turf hunter...
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 30, 2017 09:31AM
Lets fix that reading a beach issue, its not rocket science. Step out onto the beach and look up and down the shore line for low spots, depressions, and cuts. A low depression will appear like a crescent shape extending up from the waters edge towards the high tide line. The ocean will have washed away the lighter sand and trash, exposing deeper heavier targets. Here's what's happening, in the water just off the beach will be a 2nd sandbar typically under water. Have you heard of a rip tide? That's when the ocean breaks a hole in the outer sand bar, water rushes in/out of this break, that's how you can get sucked out to sea if you swim in a rip tide. The good news is with the break in the outer sand bar waves charge up onto the beach without losing their energy and erode out that area of beach creating those crescent shaped depressions. These breaks in the sand bar sometimes last weeks, and gradually move up/down the shore line so you just keep following it and hunting it. Eventually the break fills in and that's the end of that.

Alternatively sometimes the waves instead dig a deep hole at the waters edge, could be 8-10 feet deep, they dig up long buried heavier targets and throw them up onto the wet sand. If you are detecting along the waters edge at low tide and start digging quarters and fishing sinkers slow down and cover that area well for gold rings. These holes can last for a single tide to a few days, they are gold ring honey holes, you can hunt them clean come back at the next low tide and its full of targets again.

If there are no obvious depressions, look for exposed shells, the shells being heavier typically you will find targets there, shells are also a clue to where the otherwise invisible deep holes above that are tossing targets up onto the beach may be located.

Cuts look like cliffs in the sand, could be a 6 inch cliff, a 2 foot cliff, in extreme cases a side winding nor'easter storm waves hitting the beach at a 45 degree angle I have seen cliffs in NJ beaches 8-10 feet tall.

Conversely avoid areas of the beach that appear mounded up and sand piles, you probably won't see any shells just light sand. At best there may be some very lightweight targets in them trash typically or more often no targets or trash.

Reading waves...slow curling waves, that curl along the shoreline slowly, like a mini version of a Hawaiian surfer type wave pick sand up and throw it up onto the beach burying targets. Waves that come in and crash on the beach all loud and angry peels sand off the beach exposing targets. Typically these waves are during the fall/winter/spring storm season. These waves also sort targets for you by weight, its common to find a line of targets parallel to the water where the heaviest targets are concentrated, say quarters, nickels, fishing sinkers and heavier gold. Further up or down the beach slope you may find a line of lighter targets like zinc cents and dimes. Depending on the storm the heavy stuff could be lower near the waters edge with the light targets further up the slope, or just the opposite of that. So an experienced strategy when first arriving at the beach is to zig zag between the waters edge and high tide line looking for these lines, then once you find them hunt parallel to the water on these lines. With some good erosion this is typically when I have my multiple gold dug days. Also the storm season wave action washes away most of the light aluminum trash getting it out of your way.

There now adjust your attitude and go dig some gold. Expect to find gold and you will, go to the beach with a I probably won't find anything attitude and very often that's just what happens. Arrive at the beach intending to put a proper beating on it, don't take any crap off the beach kick it in the shins toss it to the ground and kick sand it is face!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2017 09:36AM by Charles (Upstate NY).

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Re: Beach hunting question from a turf hunter...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: October 01, 2017 01:19AM
Charles,

Wow. What can I say? THANK YOU for taking the time to discuss this. I very much appreciate your time! Once again, everything you say makes perfect. logical sense, but it's clear that it is a gold-mine of experience boiled down into some "bite-sized nuggets" that I otherwise would not have figured out on my own, on such a short trip to the beach. I am definitely printing this out, and taking it with me, so that I can read it before heading out to hunt, as a reminder.

ONE BIG CAVEAT, though. A huge "fly in the ointment" has come up, that I'm not sure how to solve yet. This morning while hunting at a local park, my Explorer decided to go "belly up," giving me an "overload" signal that simply won't go away, not matter what I do (disconnect the coil, power of/on the unit, factory reset, etc.) So, I am almost sure it's going to have to make a trip to the Minelab repair center (awaiting a call back from Minelab with advice, and most likely an RMA number). This means, I will be without my Explorer, unless by some miracle. I am going to look into trying to borrow a unit from a friend (an E-Trac), but not sure if that will work out, or not. I'm trying to figure out a plan "B", since -- wouldn't you know it -- I sold my backup machine (Fisher F19) just a week ago, to aid in funding the future purchase of an Equinox! That leaves me only two options --either borrowing an FBS unit from someone, OR...swinging the so-far-impossible-for-me-to-get-used-to Infinium...

In any case, I'm going to try to solve this "machine dilemma." But in the mean time, if you come up with any other tips that you happen to think of, I'm all ears. Like I say, I'm going to print out everything we've discussed, for reference. Thanks to you, I now feel able to have a much more confident attitude toward beach detecting than would have been the case without our conversation (ASSUMING I find a machine to use!)

THANK YOU!

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Explorer SE Pro
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2017 01:23AM by sgoss66.

Re: Beach hunting question from a turf hunter...
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: October 01, 2017 10:20AM
For the record while I have learned a few things on my own beach hunting, much of what I'm sharing I learned from someone else who spent 30 years hunting beaches and was kind enough to teach me. So just paying it forward. See your PM regarding your broke down Explorer.


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sgoss66
Charles,

Wow. What can I say? THANK YOU for taking the time to discuss this. I very much appreciate your time! Once again, everything you say makes perfect. logical sense, but it's clear that it is a gold-mine of experience boiled down into some "bite-sized nuggets" that I otherwise would not have figured out on my own, on such a short trip to the beach. I am definitely printing this out, and taking it with me, so that I can read it before heading out to hunt, as a reminder.

ONE BIG CAVEAT, though. A huge "fly in the ointment" has come up, that I'm not sure how to solve yet. This morning while hunting at a local park, my Explorer decided to go "belly up," giving me an "overload" signal that simply won't go away, not matter what I do (disconnect the coil, power of/on the unit, factory reset, etc.) So, I am almost sure it's going to have to make a trip to the Minelab repair center (awaiting a call back from Minelab with advice, and most likely an RMA number). This means, I will be without my Explorer, unless by some miracle. I am going to look into trying to borrow a unit from a friend (an E-Trac), but not sure if that will work out, or not. I'm trying to figure out a plan "B", since -- wouldn't you know it -- I sold my backup machine (Fisher F19) just a week ago, to aid in funding the future purchase of an Equinox! That leaves me only two options --either borrowing an FBS unit from someone, OR...swinging the so-far-impossible-for-me-to-get-used-to Infinium...

In any case, I'm going to try to solve this "machine dilemma." But in the mean time, if you come up with any other tips that you happen to think of, I'm all ears. Like I say, I'm going to print out everything we've discussed, for reference. Thanks to you, I now feel able to have a much more confident attitude toward beach detecting than would have been the case without our conversation (ASSUMING I find a machine to use!)

THANK YOU!

Steve


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Re: Beach hunting question from a turf hunter...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: October 01, 2017 10:55AM
You certainly are "paying it forward," Charles. I very much appreciate it!

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Explorer SE Pro
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

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Re: Beach hunting question from a turf hunter...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: October 02, 2017 04:34AM
Good news --

My friend is allowing me to borrow his back-up machine (E-Trac) until my Explorer arrives back from Minelab, so my beach hunting is "back on," as they say!

Thanks for all the good advice; I will make good use of it.

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Explorer SE Pro
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

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