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Metal detecting state parks!!
Posted by: junklord3139
Date: December 06, 2008 04:42PM
Does anyone know the FL. statute banning metal detectors from water huntting in State Parks??

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Re: Metal detecting state parks!!
Posted by: hunter 18
Date: December 06, 2008 05:07PM
The Division of recreation and Parks has Amended as April 1, 1993 procedures prohibit the use of
metal detectors in stated parks. tha new procedures allow recreational use of metal detectors only in beaches parks in a limited zone. the
zone has been defines as that area between the water line and the toe of the sand dune metal detectors may not be use where designated archaeologocal
sites have been identified within the zone..
the changes in the procedures in base largely on the presumtion that users of metal detectors will advise parks staff of the discovery
of historical artifscts or lost property so that such iteam may beretrived and handle appropriately. the knowledge of where in the
park historis are found may be of more value of that the relics themselves....

Florida Department Of Natural Resorces
I hope the this help
This Is from TREASURE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES by R.W."Doc" Grim



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2008 05:15PM by hunter 18.

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Re: Metal detecting state parks!!
Posted by: Eric from NC
Date: December 06, 2008 06:32PM
The policy is the same in NC.

Re: Metal detecting state parks!!
Posted by: ROADKING
Date: December 06, 2008 07:35PM
I have found that as long as you talk to the park Rangers first they are very good bought letting you hunt like Hunter18 stated but dont assume any thing ask first.

Re: Metal detecting state parks!!Better KNOW your ranger!
Posted by: GaBeachsweeper
Date: December 07, 2008 01:22PM
If he turns a blind eye to the regulations he's paid to uphold, don't expect him to be true to you.

Here are the Statues with phone numbers
Posted by: brobox
Date: December 07, 2008 01:55PM
SUBJECT: Procedures on the Use of Metal Detectors

As you should know by this time, the Department has revised the subject
procedures transmitted to you on March 10, 1993. Attached are the revised
procedures which will be incorporated-in the Operations Procedures Manual.

Also attached is a press release that will be disseminated to media by the
Departments office of Communications and that you may also want to distribute
to local media and interest groups. Though the procedures allow the use of metal
detectors, the special limitations concerning the restricted use zone and the
designation of archaeological sites which are off-limit for metal detector use
should be communicated and interpreted. We should also encourage the public to
turn in lost objects they find.

As with the earlier policy, we should cautiously implement these
procedures over the next 30 to 60 days to ensure that the public is aware of the
limited area where metal detecting is permitted.

If you should have questions on these procedures, please contact Steve
Martin. Thank you for excellent cooperation on this matter.
MWG/smw
Attachments
cc: Don Duden, Acting Executive Director, DNR

Nevin Smith, Deputy Assistant Executive Director, OLR

Fran Mainella, Director, DRP

Joe Knoll, Assistant Director, DRP

John Baust, Chief, Bureau of Operational Services, DRP

Jim Miller, Chief, Bureau of Archaeological Research, DHR

MEMORANDUM
TO: All Florida Park Service Units
FROM: Mark W. Glisson, Chief

Bureau of Natural and Cultural Resources
April 6, 1993

Department of Natural Resources

Division of Recreation and Parks
RESTRICTIVE USE OF METAL DETECTORS IN PARKS
New language for the Division of Recreation and Parks, Operations Procedures
Manual is shown with underline symbols below.
CHAPTER VIII GENERAL PROCEDURES
7. LOST AND FOUND ITEMS
Each park shall have a designated secure location for storage of lost and found
items, when possible, this area will be located in, or convenient to, the ranger
station or park office. Procedures for disposition of personal property found in
public places can be found in DNR Administrative Directive 550.
Metal detectors may be used to recover personal items that are specifically
identified by their owner as being lost in a specific area of a nark. The owner
of lost property or his representative should contact the park manager who will
arrange time for the search to be conducted in the presence of a park staff
member. During these searches, only the item sought may be kept by the owner or
his representative.
CHAPTER XV RESOURCE MANAGEMENT
11. COLLECTING
Natural and cultural objects on park lands are protected and may not be removed
without written authorization. Refer to the Research/Collections Policy for
guidelines and procedures. Permits must be obtained from the Division and the
Department of State, Division of Historical Resources, for archaeological
research projects and may be required from other state or federal agencies, as
well.
Use of metal detectors, magnetometers, or other metal detecting devices is
prohibited on all state park managed lands including sovereign submerged lands
under lease by state Parks except for the following; (a) coastal parks, in a
zone between the water line and toe of the dune, as determined by the park
manager, except at archaeological sites within the zone designated by the
Department of State, Division of Historical Resources (DHR) or the park manager;
(b) archaeological research Projects authorized by DHR; and, (c) as provided for
in Chapter VIII, General Procedures, Paragraph 7., for the recovery of lost
personal items. Any hole dug associated with the use of a metal detector must be
refilled to the contour of pre-dig conditions using the excavated material. Any
excavations within designated archaeological sites require a permit from DHR and
approval from the Division. Objects found or recovered under the terms of a
permit issued by DHR, are property of the State of Florida, with title vested by
statute in DHR. Such objects are normally curated by the DHR and can be made
available by loan to the Division upon request..
Inquiries about collecting or archaeological investigations should be directed
to the appropriate district office.

Bureau of Natural and Cultural Resources (904) 487-1559
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
STATE PARKS METAL DETECTOR POLICY REVISED
TALLAHASSEE, FL,APRIL 5, 1993 The Florida Park Service has revised
its April 1, 1993 prohibition on recreational use of metal detectors
in state parks to allow limited use in beach parks between the
seaward toe of the dune and the ordinary water line.

While the revised policy does allow metal detectors in most
parks along saltwater beaches, some areas may be set aside as
designated archaeological sites where detectors are still prohibited
except for archaeological research projects authorized by the park
and the Department of State, Division of Historical Resources.

Park management staff say the decision to approve metal detector
use in a restricted zone along the beach is based on the core mission
of the State park system and a strong expression of support for metal
detector use by the public. The park system strives to protect
resources and provide outdoor recreational opportunities for the
public, which staff say requires careful balancing.

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"We have reviewed the matter to determine if there is some measure
of compromise we could build into the policy," says Mark Glisson,
Chief of the Bureau of Natural and Cultural Resources.
"By allowing metal detector use in the high energy shoreline of the
beach, which is constantly being turned over by wave action, we are
providing the public a reasonable recreational opportunity and
minimizing the potential loss of historic resources,- Glisson said.
The park services revised procedures presumes cooperation by the
public in reporting historic artifacts they find, and turning in
lost personal items so they may be recovered by the rightful
owners. The approval to use metal detectors is based largely on the
publics willingness to cooperate, say park service management.
Persons wanting more information on the park services metal
detector procedures should contact a local state park or the
central office in Tallahassee at (904) 487-1559,,

Your term "Water Hunting" puts a different twist on the law
Posted by: DonNWF
Date: December 08, 2008 09:19AM
As outlined in the regulations provided by others, Florida permits metal detecting in the narrow strip of sand between the water and the dune line. NOTE - It does not permit you to hunt IN the water in State Parks. Up until two years ago water detecting in some state parks was permitted by the
ranger -in -charge as part of the states Isolated Finds Policy. When that policy was rescinded by the state , rangers went strictly by the book which allows detecting in the sand only. Florida has idiotic laws when it comes to recovering artifacts (Any item fifty years old is an artifact- think about this - A Wheaty 1958 is an artifact !!!!!!! ). There are Florida brach parks all along the states coastal borders both east and west coast and in the Keys. These parks are visited by thousands of tourist and state residents. Why is metal detecting NOT allowed in the water??. One of the more enlightened states in this regard is Alabama, their state polices make sense. Florida can stuff it. I live in Florida and all my old finds are made in Alabama. Yeah sure. :cool: HH..



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Re: Your term "Water Hunting" puts a different twist on the law
Posted by: junklord3139
Date: December 08, 2008 11:07AM
I have decided to use the state Park laws to my advantage. State park laws are only good in the state park, so we find the boundary of the state park and hunt out side of them.Wiggins pass boundary is some where between the doons and the water.You can go to your county appraiser office for this info.I have hunted 100's of times in Wiggins Pass state park and only the passed few years that I have been told that I can't hunt in the water.

Good luck with that plan but it ain't going to fly.
Posted by: DonNWF
Date: December 08, 2008 01:42PM
That you have hunted Wiggins Pass waters that are adjacent to the park in the past but are not allowed to do so now is a direct result of the Florida Div of Historical Resources (DNR) rescinding their Isolated Finds Policy.. I don't think you will be successful in convincing a park ranger that kicks you out of the park that you are hunting in Wiggins Pass and are therefor outside state park boundaries.. I believe the rangers reply will be that you are detecting the sovereign submerged lands of the state of Florida and that the area in question is leased to the State Park Commission and under their jurisdiction.
I have tried several times to inform Florida Water hunters that they are being short changed by the state and its polices of not allowing water detecting in state parks. A water hunter I know who had hunted the waters of the State Park in Destin for years and then was stopped from doing so, said he believed the ranger was trying to keep water hunting to himself - WRONG. It is State of Florida policy The question is simple and straight forward

WHY IS WATER DETECTION NOT ALLOWED IN FLORIDA STATE PARKS?

I am not talking about disturbing protected historical sites or leased treasure sites, just your ordinary beach waters within park boundaries. Unlike public county beaches state parks have controlled access. If they wanted to look at all my finds made so be it. If they wanted any historical items turned over to the state I would gladly comply, lost jewelry and the owner is there to identify it, no problem.
So what's their hangup?.:shrug:

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Re: Metal detecting state parks!!
Posted by: Bernie
Date: December 10, 2008 04:25PM
Detecting is allowed and encouraged on Vermont beaches along Lake Champlain. I was kicked out once and went to the Director of State Parks and was told that there was no problem detecting there. He also straightened the park Ranger out. :thumbup:

Re: Metal detecting state parks!!
Posted by: toy4runr
Date: December 11, 2008 08:28AM
So, what can be done to change the situation? Who should we contact to represnt our side of this issue??

Re: Metal detecting state parks!!
Posted by: david bull
Date: December 11, 2008 10:42AM
If the current economic crisis continues maybe this problem will correct itself.IE no money =no job!Some of these people act as if they are Gods of some kind while in reality they serve no useful purpose(guarding an empty campground in the dead of winter).Any politicans reading this?DBULL

Florida Water Hunters - Do you have any answers for TOY4
Posted by: DonNWF
Date: December 11, 2008 12:42PM
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toy4runr
So, what can be done to change the situation? Who should we contact to represent our side of this issue??

Before I give you my answers I will add 4 of my own questions .

1) Do you as a Florida water hunter feel you have the right to metal detect in the public waters of your state?

2) Do you as a Florida water hunter feel that Florida State Park regulations that restrict your activities to sand hunting only.
are fair? (consider your answer to this question in light of all the other in-water activities allowed to the general public)

3) As a Florida metal detectorist (hunter on land, beach or water),
are you aware of Florida State policies, not laws, that restrict your metal detecting activities?

4) As a Florida metal detectorist do you belong to a club and/or are you affiliated with any national metal detecting organization?

For any that answered yes to question (4) , you might ask what is your organization doing to promote sensible metal detecting policies? Has your organization examined Alabama's recently changed policies that went to far as to define in specific terms what the state means by the word Artifact and what land and water sires are of interest to the state. and need state protection. .
The word ARTIFACT is at the heart of most of Florida's restrictive metal detecting policies.,both land and water..
If you read through the Florida State Park 1993 regulation change (see in other posts, this string) you will note that notification is given to other state agencies. The DNR and the DHR are the ones that are in opposition to water hunting. The State Park commission and its park rangers have little interest in restrictive regulations - they manage parks and want maximum visitors.. They are following the powerful directives from these other state agencies. It is unthinkable to the DNR/DHR and their paid archeologist's that you might enter state water and actually find an ARTIFACT, ( by the states general definition, any item over fifty years old.). State Parks are one of the few public places over which they have control.
The state park restrictions are NOT LAW but only agency policy. No representative vote are taken on policies or needed to change them..
To answer your questions--- The old true-ism--Squeaky wheel gets greased. I believe the squeaky wheel is open opposition voiced by Florida Detecting Organizations and presented to their state representatives. Individuals could participate with them. : HH

Don't know about Florida, but....
Posted by: crabby
Date: December 11, 2008 02:16PM
Don't know about Florida but North Carolina has a relatively simple law:

It is illegal to MD in a state park unless one of it's boundaries is the ocean. Then, they cannot be hunted from May 1 till August 31st. After that, they are fair game.


Crabby

What's their problem?
Posted by: JoeSWFLA
Date: December 11, 2008 07:29PM
In a word"Archaeologist".They are so afraid you may find something,they are willing
to take away your basic rights.If we want them back we will have to organize and
sue them.They will keep on pushing until we push back.That's why Alabama got
their act together.A law suit by someone they pushed too far.A big thanks to
Steve up there in Alabama.Hope it happens here soon.HH Joe

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