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Need your opinion
Posted by: richbat
Date: February 16, 2012 08:26AM
Been doing alot of research on different types of MD'S,can't really afford the newer machines so i been looking at some older ones.I had a couple of whites years ago Prizm,think one was called the Classic ID and a 4900/DL Max loved that machine,found my first gold ring with that one.So what i'm wanting to know in your opinion what other older Whites are pretty good?I know each metal detector company has at least one sleeper model that never got the justice it deserved.so let's here some suggestions.

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Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: tabman
Date: February 16, 2012 10:34AM
Do you have a price in mind that you would like to stay below?

tabman



Tesoro Tejon * Tesoro Outlaw * Fisher F75SE * Tesoro Compadre * Modded Cibola * Tesoro Golden u-Max * Bandido II µMax * Tesoro Silver uMax * Teknetics G2 * AT Pro * Tesoro Deleon * Garrett Pro Pointers * Lesche Trowels * Killer B Wasp Headphones * Predator Tool Little Eagle & Dixie Shovels

Location: Germantown Tennessee

Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: richbat
Date: February 16, 2012 10:55AM
I guess $400 and under.Guess i should have maybe stated that to help with the opinions.Thanks

Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: leslie
Date: February 16, 2012 11:16AM
Whites 6000 X L One of the best ever made (yes I have one )

Good Luck with whatever you choose.

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Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: tabman
Date: February 16, 2012 12:34PM
Let me suggest the Whites QXT. You might be able to find a good used one at a fairly low price, because it's overlooked and very underrated. It's a real sleeper. I did a lot of reading before I bought mine. Everything they're saying good about it is true. Google 'Whites QXT metal detector' and do your own research.

Here's a good start: http://www.findmall.com/read.php?31,1110775,page=1

tabman



Tesoro Tejon * Tesoro Outlaw * Fisher F75SE * Tesoro Compadre * Modded Cibola * Tesoro Golden u-Max * Bandido II µMax * Tesoro Silver uMax * Teknetics G2 * AT Pro * Tesoro Deleon * Garrett Pro Pointers * Lesche Trowels * Killer B Wasp Headphones * Predator Tool Little Eagle & Dixie Shovels

Location: Germantown Tennessee

Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: padgett79
Date: February 16, 2012 01:57PM
in the 400 and under the QXT is a good choice but you can also find the XLT once in awhile for that price and if not dont forget about the eagle spectrum and the well overlooked SILVER EAGLE it is a hot detector and has found my brother in law a pickup load of good stuff. and the eagle 2 sl is another good one.



is there such a thing as too bad a day for detecting?????? I think not
Whites; XLT,VX3,V3i and now a Beach Hunter id 300

Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: MANDAD76
Date: February 16, 2012 02:12PM
xlt...any of the 6000 series analogs....all good 'tectors!! good luck w/whatever ya decide.



Spectra V3i
BHID 300

Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: TerraDigger
Date: February 17, 2012 05:09PM
Is your soil mineralization low/med/high? If you don't know, what area of the country do you detect in. My concern is that you get a unit that can provide maximum depth in your soil for the amount of money you want to spend.

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Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: 1954streetrod
Date: February 17, 2012 07:20PM
Hello, ricgbat give my buddy a call at BACKWOODS DETECTOR SALE he will help you out on a good used m/d look him up on the web http://www.backwoodsmetaldetectors.com or call 423-360-1242

1954streetrod

Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: widebody
Date: February 17, 2012 09:37PM
going with terradigger, you do need to concider what hunting are you going to do. relic? coin shooting only? and as he said what soil conditions are you in? in the great N,W, we have very minerized soil. georia has some very hard clay. in high minerals you will need a DDcoil for instance for the best seperation with the soil. i do well with my XLT but it's limited on coils.i only use it for coinshooting. parks and such. from my reading the MXT is the best all around do everything machine. i don't know anything about the QXT. just do your research. we do want you to get the best for your money and what you're gunna hunt for.

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It's only my *opinion* but here are the ones I prefer ... and use.
Posted by: Monte
Date: February 18, 2012 07:00AM
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richbat
Been doing alot of research on different types of MD'S, can't really afford the newer machines so i been looking at some older ones.
I have owned and/or used most of the newer models, from most manufacturers and, in my opinions, some are good, some are so-so, and some I just don't like.

While there are some very good currently-produced models that can suit most typical hobbyists just fine, I am a bit more demanding for the types of site and hunting I do. For me, I have some very preferred discontinued models that I own and use, and there's one I am still looking for. Just use some caution because at a point you can get into models that are simple 'too old' to have some better performance for modern-day challenges. There's nothing wrong with shopping for a used detector that works well, but I wouldn't shop for 'cheap' or 'inferior' models just due to their price.


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richbat
I had a couple of whites years ago Prizm, think one was called the Classic ID and a 4900/DL Max loved that machine,found my first gold ring with that one.
Briefly, of the three you mentioned, there are quite a few differences. The Prizm series (with the exception of the Prizm 6T which is a totally different detector) and now the current Coinmaster models, have separate GB trimmers for the All Metal mode and Discriminate mode. I have handled so where one mode was too negative, or the other mode was GB'ed too negative, or both modes were set too negative, and when too negative you can, and will, experience some falsing issues, especially in the motion Disc. mode.

All of the Prizm and Coinmaster series (current Coinmaster's) also have a delayed response time (except for the 6T) so when hunting in the motion Discriminate mode you don't get an audio response from a located target until well after the search coil s past the target. That can be annoying in general, but frustrating as well when hunting in trashier sites. These models also offer only an accept/reject segment type of Discrimination and the other two provide a very nice variable Discriminate control for a more precise setting to accommodate the site challenges.

The 4900 /DL Max was a good model for its day, but by comparison it suffered from not allowing a slow-motion sweep or a quick-response and fast-recovery due to the 4-filter type of operation. It required a faster sweep speed, and it also lacked any visual TID. It is quite 'old', but today's standards, and it is very difficult to find the proper search coils for it. It might have been used to find your first gold ring, but I found my first Indian Head 1˘ with my White's yest wouldn't recommend it to anyone today. It was a beautiful condition IH, too, but the Ghost Towner BFO is definitely not what I would suggest anyone one on their 'want list.'

Of the three models you have mentioned, and I have had/used all of them, the Classic ID is the one I would take in a heartbeat! Slow-motion sweep speed with a quick-response and fast-recovery time. A good selection of coils can be found from 4" to 6˝" to 8" and 950, or even a 15" coil, although not the best pick for most applications. The Classic series have a variable Discriminate control so you can best set them for the site's demands, and while it is a factory Preset GB model, the GB trimmer is easily accessible under the US Flag. One tweak over some more mineralized ground in your area and it is good-to-go in both modes for all hunting needs.

I have used the Coinmaster Classic III- Plus (those early-version Classic's), and the Classic II SL, III SL, ID, IDX and IDX Pro models since 1994/95 and they have accounted for more gold rings and other gold and silver jewelry for me than any other brand or model. Until an on-the-job injury in June of 2010 slowed me down and cut into my detecting time, I was averaging 12 gold rings a year just from woodchip and sand-filled playgrounds, plus gold pendants, chains, and other nice items, not to mention many, many more sterling silver jewelry items, all found using the Classic series models.

I currently have a Classic II w/stock 8" coil, and a 'modified' IDX Pro (done by 'Mr. Bill') as well as an XLT and four competitor brand models. Of them all, my XLT is the 'back-up' unit because my modified IDX Pro is the #1 pick when I want to find stuff and get serious. My best Hunting Buddy in Utah has a Classic II in her detector arsenal, and she uses it a lot. She only hunts older, out-of-the-way sites such as ghost towns, homesteads, etc. My #1 Detecting Buddy, who lives here in Oregon, has a Classic ID to compliment her XLT. Like me, she keeps a 6˝" coil on her Classic and 8" on her XLT, and does most of her detecting with the Classic ID. She's also been quite successful with it, as well.

In the group who participate in our free-to-the-public Detector Owner Rendezvous meetings we host each month, we have a growing number of attendees who have added a Classic model to their personal detector battery in the past year. A few already had a Classic III SL or an IDX Pro, but I can think of maybe a half-dozen (or more) who have seen the light of the performance potential of the various Classic models.

Don and Kathy just bought a very clean Classic ID for $175, and I can think of four who bought IDX Pro's. Some already modified and a couple in the 'fix' state right now or ready to be sent off. One avid newcomer to the hobby, who I hunt with personally due to his enthusiasm for this sport, bought his first metal detector, ever, in July of 2010. He ended 17 months of detecting on December 31st of 2011 having found 7,380 coins, and a lot of other neat stuff. He started with a new DFX 300 that came with a 12" coil, and he has spent a lot of time covering the grassy parks and schools in his little town with a population of maybe ± 5,000 people, or used it if he traveled elsewhere.

He has not learned any of the adjustments of the DFX and has only used it in the Coin & Jewelry mode. He also listens and heard the strong hint to obtain a smaller-than-stock coil, and he heard/saw what a good Classic model can do when hunting around iron nails or in other site challenges. I sold him a 6˝" diameter 5.3 BullsEye coil in early January, and I think it was about January 6th that he received a modified IDX Pro from 'Mr. Bill.' Remember, that this only mid-February so January and half of this month have been provided us with many days of too-wet-to-hunt rain, a day of snow, wind events, and typical wintry weather with some breaks in it now and then.

Why mention this? Because in 17 months, with an expensive, multi-function adjustable detector, a newcomer to the hobby found 7,380 coins. Working on his 2012 Coin-Count tally, from January 6th thru February 16th, he has used ONLY his modified IDX Pro w/6˝" coil and has found 1336 coins and that's 18.1% ( almost a fifth) of what he harvested in 17 long months. If his current coin-count trend were to continue for 17 months, he could have a total of 15,141 coins! The better months are still to come, too, and his days look brighter. Yes, he still likes his DFX, however I believe he is quickly becoming a believer in the performance potential on his modified IDX Pro. Enough that his DFX, like my XLT, will be considered a 'back-up' unit.


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richbat
So what i'm wanting to know in your opinion what other older Whites are pretty good?
"Pretty Good" for some casual coin hunting, jewelry hunting, and even working ghost towns and other relic hunting sites could be the Classic ID w/6˝" coil (to better handle working in and around brush, building rubble and trash). A somewhat more versatile model would be the Classic III SL, for a non-display choice, or either the Classic IDX or the IDX Pro. An "Excellent Choice", in my very biased but very experienced opinion, would be a Classic III SL (non-TID display) or the Classic IDX or IDX Pro that have 'Mr. Bill' modifications done. That makes them more versatile and fully functional in case you need to use the Frequency Shift control.

If you want to move a step up the line, I would stay away from anything older than the XLT or the 6000 Pro XL/XL Pro (same detector, just renamed). Other models would be older, maybe heavier (like the 5900/6000 Di Pro SL or other 'C' cell powered models), and some a bit 'quirky' in operation (the Quantum series).


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richbat
I know each metal detector company has at least one sleeper model that never got the justice it deserved.so let's here some suggestions.
There are my suggestions from former (now discontinued) White's models that continue to provide very serious performance.

Okay, not real brief, but not too bad for me. :biggrin:

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"


Stinkwater Wells

Just a name that brings back fond memories of old alkali desert favorite sites in Utah, Nevada, and Eastern Oregon. There is no pastime I enjoy more than hunting old sites as best I can, doing research, and helping others learn more about this great hobby.:
My 'Tag-Along' buddies: White's MXT All-Pro w/9", MX5 w/6˝", and modified IDX Pro w/6˝".

My 'On-Call' detectors: Compass Coin Hustler & 99B TR's, Teknetics Euro-Tek Pro, Tesoro Bandido II µMAX and others I want to tinker with.

monte@stinkwaterwells.com
(503) 481-8147


Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: richbat
Date: February 18, 2012 08:23AM
To answer some questions about the type of hunting i'll be doing,mainly coins and jewlery the soil where i do my most hunting is,i guess i would have to say probably somewhat mineralized some areas are abit more but this can be expected.Thanks to all have replied thus far.Rich

Re: Need your opinion
Posted by: TerraDigger
Date: February 18, 2012 06:10PM
Now that we know the soil has some mineralization, maybe Monte will offer his top 5 in your price range. Current & past models. Some of the older White's kick some serious tail:) I owned a few. However, I defer to Monte when it comes to White's machines and his 48 yr's of detecting experience. Don't know anyone on the Mall (there may be a few I am not aware of) who have used as many machines from different mfg's as he has over the years.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2012 06:12PM by TerraDigger.

TO: richbat and TerraDigger.
Posted by: Monte
Date: February 19, 2012 03:54AM
To: richbat
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richbat
To answer some questions about the type of hunting i'll be doing,mainly coins and jewlery the soil where i do my most hunting is, i guess i would have to say probably somewhat mineralized some areas are abit more but this can be expected. Thanks to all have replied thus far. Rich
richbat, it would be good if you described where you live, geographically, and the type of ground you typically hunt in. Also, what method did you use to try and determine how mineralized the soil might be? This would help us with our answers.

To: TerraDigger
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TerraDigger
Now that we know the soil has some mineralization, maybe Monte will offer his top 5 in your price range. Current & past models. Some of the older White's kick some serious tail:) I owned a few. However, I defer to Monte when it comes to White's machines and his 48 yr's of detecting experience. Don't know anyone on the Mall (there may be a few I am not aware of) who have used as many machines from different mfg's as he has over the years.
A small correction as I am only ending my 47th year in the hobby this month. I don't start year 48 until next month as March was when I started building a metal/mineral locator 'kit' long, long ago.

Later this summer I end my 44th year using a White's detector and start on year #45 with the premier detector brand out there. Obviously, I am a little bit biased with regard to White's products, and I am not stating this only on a White's Forum. I share my personal feelings regardless of who's forum I am posting on. There have been, and are, some good competitive detectors out there, but nobody has provided the long-term durability, rugged design, and absolutely best customer service for me as have the folks in Sweet Home, Oregon. Oh, I can't forget also providing the best in-the-field performance most of the time, too. :thumbup:

I can think of a few models from Tesoro, Teknetics and Garrett that have worked fairly well for me in the past year or so that provided good Coin Hunting performance in average conditions. Some of them worked pretty fair for some Relic Hunting in average conditions, too. Many of the ones I like tend to fail with things get very challenging in the way of intense mineralized bodies (dirt clods, rocks, etc.) in renovation work, or when I work really ugly iron-infested site with a dense scattering of nails and such.

When conditions are what I consider to be more 'extreme challenges,' the models I prefer to have in hand would be a modified IDX Pro (or Classic IDX) with TID, or a modified Classic III SL w/o TID, or a good 6000 Pro XL or XL Pro, and next would be a n M6 or MXT, and finally an XLT. I like the XLT and my programs for it, and I am sure a properly set-up DFX or other model could come close to it, but they fall behind the various modified Classic's or M6 and MXT because they lack the instant manual knob adjustability for Discrimination, and even fast GB set-up.

In richbats case, he said he was looking for something in the $400 range so it will be a used model of some sort, and while a good modified IDX Pro is out there, most will fetch close to that or more.

In all cases, too, I strongly suggest adding a smaller-than-stock coil for versatility.

Monte



"Your EYES ... the only 100% accurate form of Discrimination!"


Stinkwater Wells

Just a name that brings back fond memories of old alkali desert favorite sites in Utah, Nevada, and Eastern Oregon. There is no pastime I enjoy more than hunting old sites as best I can, doing research, and helping others learn more about this great hobby.:
My 'Tag-Along' buddies: White's MXT All-Pro w/9", MX5 w/6˝", and modified IDX Pro w/6˝".

My 'On-Call' detectors: Compass Coin Hustler & 99B TR's, Teknetics Euro-Tek Pro, Tesoro Bandido II µMAX and others I want to tinker with.

monte@stinkwaterwells.com
(503) 481-8147