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whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: TwistedTig3r
Date: July 26, 2017 06:20PM
I recently picked up what looks like a closet queen whites classic id. I took it out today and found nearly two dollars in clad,three pulltabs and one piece of can slaw. I also had two targets that I couldn't find. Falsing?:shrug: I took it to place I knew that would have shallow and recent drops. I just wanted to get acquainted with my new best friend.

I checked the ground balance and it gave, what I would call, a strong loud signal change on the down stroke. I would compare it to the signal of a target in disc mode in terms of volume. Is this the norm or should I make adjustment? Soil was clean. The id was a bit jumpy but did lock on. Most targets were on the surface or just in the grass roots.

Wanted to add that I have been through the "more expensive, and bigger coil" and I'm over it. I like the 8 inch coil. The detector feels light and is well balanced.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/26/2017 06:33PM by TwistedTig3r.

Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: Electricfrontporch
Date: July 26, 2017 06:44PM
Sweet. I just recieved the classic IDX I bought on eBay today. It has the Mr Bill mods on it. Adjustable threshold and ground balance and a toggle for SAT.
This is my first ID machine. My first two detectors are Tesoros so this will be a new step for my detecting. Leaving for a work trip in the morning so I won't be able to get out with it till next week. I did check it out in my test bed and am thoroughly impressed. It cleanly hits the 8" dime and quarter and even the ID is consistent.. Decided to try one of these after reading posts from some trusted folks and using some friends newer tone/ number ID machines and not being impressed. The numbers are never steady and the tones seem to waver. Having used single tone Tesoros I guess I'm just used to listening to the variables in the tone. Hope you enjoy yours and glad to see other folks enjoying and using these fantastic older detectors!

Noah

Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: Electricfrontporch
Date: July 26, 2017 06:46PM
Also from what I e read the ground balance needs to be a little positive for the ID to be correct.
With mine if I adjust it a little negative the ID gets jumpy. A bit positive and it's spot on.

Noah

Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: TwistedTig3r
Date: July 26, 2017 07:07PM
I seen that one.Seems like I never have extra cash when something comes up. I would like to get another and do the Mr.Bill mods, I have background in electronics and love to tinker. I also read about ground balance being on the positive side. Having never adjusted one on the classics I was wondering about strength and volume of the change. On others I used it was auto set or you set it so you got no response while pumping the coil.

Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: Electricfrontporch
Date: July 26, 2017 08:55PM
I have done a couple different mods on the Tesoro Compadre. Was planning on finding an unmodified ID or IDX and using it stock before performing the mods,but when I saw this one I went ahead and pulled the trigger. The same guy just listed a classic ID as well. Its original and looks good in the photos. I'll have to play around with the GB in the test bed and see how it differs in depth vs ID. Also gonna have to bury some deeper coins. Deepest I have are 8" and this machine hits them both. Blew my mind actually. Who needs a $1000 sci fi detector!



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Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: IDXMonster
Date: July 27, 2017 06:19PM
Jim,if you're getting that loud of a response from CLEAN GROUND it's way too positive. Peel back the flag sticker and observe the hole. Take a very small flat tip screwdriver and a good penlight and look down that hole,you will see a trimmer. Be gentle! Adjust it a few degrees,retest. You want it so the threshold JUST BARELY gets louder as the coil approaches the ground. You have to pump it like a bicycle pump,about that rate. Otherwise the auto tune will tune out the ground if it's done too slowly and you'll get an imcorrect balance when you're done. If you have the mods this is where the external knobs are invaluable! IF you tune it so there is no change on approach or it goes a little bit QUIETER...you would in theory be able to detect deeper at the expense of more falsing. The ID will always be correct,unless you have the case open and fart around with the wrong trimmer. It may seem that setting a slightly negative ground balance affects ID at depth but I don't see that to be the case,rather...it's a deep target! Of course the ID will be flighty and NOT rock solid. The R800 will pick off a silver dime at 8-9" with a proper slightly positive ground balance and good ID...in good ground. Just what I've observed....

Kevin

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Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: OregonGregg
Date: July 27, 2017 07:44PM
Ya I agree, ya need to peel back the flag sticker and adjust the GB. Monte taught me a trick on those preset GB Classics. If you don't have the Mods then walk out to your paved street and adjust the GB over that to be just slightly positive. Or find the worst mineralized ground you have and GB over that. Then you're covered for most hunting conditions. That's another fail from Whites, they had the hole, why didn't they just add a GB nob. And then to go on to replace the Classic series with the prizm series. That was a disaster.



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Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: TwistedTig3r
Date: July 28, 2017 12:24AM
Thanks for the advice. Hopefully better weather tomorrow. I had read about "power balancing" by Monte but was wondering, if one comes across a more neutral ground would there be an adverse affect. I guess thats where the mods would come in handy. I live in Ohio and believe the ground to be fairly mild.

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Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: OregonGregg
Date: July 28, 2017 03:19AM
Yep, your right. I'm just used to being in Oregon and the dirt is mineralized pretty good. That's prob why your machine is too positive now. I think when the factory sets the ground balance on those machines they GB to a chunk of Ferrite or some type of mineralized rock.

You just need to ground balance it over your soil. Now that I think of it a few years back I got a Classic machine that came from FL. or one of those States that have inert soil. The person that owned it rebalanced it to their soil and that made the GB too negative for my soil, so I just quickly rebalanced it.



Makro Racer & Racer 2
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Whites M6

Re: whites classic id :clapping:
Posted by: Hombre
Date: July 30, 2017 08:28PM
The IDX really shines with a very 'slightly' positive ground response when checking ground balance in all-metal. The ground balance once achieved is spot on just about anywhere you take it, it just does not need adjustment often until the search coil is changed. It is kind of a set it and forget it, turn on and go detector...although I check it every so often, it is usually is spot on. As far as coils go, I like the smaller concentric ones like the 5.3 BullsEye which measures 6½" in diameter or my favorite and hard to find 5½" HotHead Ferret coil. These small coils don't give up much in depth but overlapping coil sweeps is important. What is neat about this set up is that the coil can be slow walked through the iron debris and pick out the goodies between the close spaced unwanted iron.....



" If in doubt, dig it out"

I use various analog detectors, knobs and switches rule.

Randy from south central Kansas

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