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scorpion gold stinger, any reviews
Posted by: ashmonkey
Date: September 09, 2009 05:47PM
here in the UK nobody really uses the scorpion, i know it,s going to work well on land, but has anybody used them much on salt wet sand, be interested in hearing your views before i import one.

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My First Scorpion Hunt From Last Year ( 2008 )
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: September 09, 2009 08:58PM

Took the Garrett Scorpion Gold Stinger out for a hunt after work today. I managed a little over 2 hours hunting, and also brought along my GTI 2500 for some target ID comparisons.


I got a nice variety of finds. I chose to hunt in the recommended default position where the dials are set to a small "V" on the dials for both depth and discrimination. I also ran the detector with an audible threshold, again as suggested in the manual. I hunted in true all metal mode, and when I got a signal, I would flick the 3 way switch to motion discriminate to see if the signal had any change, or disappeared completely. If it disappeared completely, I moved on to the next target. If it decreased, but was still audible, I dug it anyways. This resulted in digging up tinfoil or other junk most of the time. If the signal was strong when I switched to motion discriminate from true all metal mode, it was usually a coin, button or a large deep target. My first 5-6 targets I was guessing at before I checked them with the GTI 2500. I was way off base with most of them, in both ID and depth. My guessing probability increased after about an hours worth of hunting and about 30 targets, both good and junk. I used the TR mode several times checking it with both true all metal mode and motion discriminate. It does not get the depth that the other two settings get, but it still discriminates as per settings. The TR mode is used to ID hot rocks when detecting in rocky areas for gold nuggets. The instructions give a simple yet easy to understand description on how to use it. I won't elaborate, as I was working sports fields.

So....what's up with the Gold Stinger.......

It's a very interesting metal detector to use. It gets great depth. I don't know where it bottoms out, but in my test garden, it will easily pick up my 6" silver dime and 6" silver quarter, which haven't yet formed a decent halo. In the first school sports field, there was the potential for some silver, as I had previously found several silver coins. No silver today, however, I did get a 1949 penny at a measured 6" with a nice strong signal in both true all metal and motion discriminate. Others were popping out at 4"-5" again, in both settings. I got one unique surprise. I got a nice coin signal, dug up a coin, retested the hole and got another signal. I dug down about an inch away from where the penny was and dug up an old 1 1/2" rusty nail. Now that is great target separation. I would normally expect a detector to not read the coin, as the nail would mask the coin being so close. but not with the Scorpion. The 5" x 10" stock coil does a fantastic job cherry picking good targets amongst the junk. The TR is supposedly even better, but I didn't use it.

The pinpointing is deadly with this coil. I would either do the typical X and located the target in the center, or even easier, I would go to true all meta mode, move the coil back and forth a number of times, the drag the coil towards me and when the audio stopped, the target would always be about 1/4" in from the edge of the front toe of the coil. I also discovered that shallow targets and coins stop abruptly, where as deep targets and tinfoil did not stop abruptly. The Gold Stinger pinpoints just like the ACE series elliptical (non-"DD") coils.

Mastering this detector is all about settings and learning the sounds. Deeper targets are fainter, shallow targets are more crisp and loud. Junk targets usually break up and sound raspy, whereas coins sound nice and clean. Some junk will read only one way whereas coins will give a decent sound in all directions. Our Canadian clad dimes give off a "wow" type sound. Nickels really hit hard, as they are close to the conductivity of gold, and of course finding gold is what Charles Garrett had in mind when designing this gold detector and using the 15kHz Groundhog Circuit.

I need to put a lot more time on this machine, as I am used to a screen with size, depth and target probability. I can guesstamate the size by raising the coil and seeing how high I get a signal. I can also guess the depth listening to the volume and softness of the signal. I need to work on the sounds to help ID a good target from a bad. But then.......this is metal detecting, and it is always healthy to learn something new.

Below are just the rings found with the Scorpion.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2009 08:58PM by John-Edmonton.




good hunting !N/T
Posted by: ojm bc
Date: September 09, 2009 10:32PM

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Re: scorpion gold stinger, any reviews
Posted by: Old Katz
Date: September 10, 2009 09:18AM
GARRETT ELECTRONICS SCORPION GOLD STINGER
By Andy Sabisch

From page 08 of the January 1991 issue of Lost Treasure magazine.
Copyright οΎ© 1991, 2000 Lost Treasure, Inc.

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Garrett Electronics has long been associated with searching for treasure in many forms and the expression "electronic prospecting" was actually coined by Charles Garrett and Ray Lagal nearly 25 years ago. Since that time the Groundhog and A3B Goldhunter models have compiled an impressive record for locating gold and other precious metals under adverse conditions.
The latest addition to the Garrett line of metal detectors is called the Scorpion Gold Stinger and has been designed to not only be used for electronic prospecting, but other facets of treasure hunting as well. When Jim Dobrie, Garrett's Marketing Director, informed me they were shipping me one of these new units to field test, I anxiously awaited its arrival.
FEATURE
The Gold Stinger is a manual ground-balance detector that features two types of discrimination circuits along with the all-metal mode used primarily for prospecting. It is mounted on a modified S-shape rod and, at 3 pounds 6 ounces, is both extremely lightweight and well balanced. The armrest, which also functions as a built-in detector stand, has been completely redesigned and is made of padded plastic to further reduce the overall weight of the detector.
The control housing is easily removed from the rod for either hip-mounting or shallowwater searching by pressing the two sets of spring clips located under the housing, and the mounting bracket then doubles as a belt loop. The searchcoil comes with eight feet of cable which eliminates the need for an extension cable when hip-mounting the control housing.
The searchcoil that comes with the Scorpion is a 5-inch by 10-inch elliptical wide-scan loop that features double-D coil construction. This configuration results in a searchcoil that doesn't have any "dead" areas and allows a greater area to be covered with each sweep.
Another new feature is the use of a dual co-axial cable to connect the searchcoil to the control housing. This is used to reduce signal noise often found on standard cable and provides for greater sensitivity and detection depth with less background noise. This new cable is used on all of the optional searchcoils available for the Gold Stinger. The Scorpion operates at a frequency of 15 kHz, similar to that of the older Groundhog and A3B, which has proven to be extremely sensitive to smaller pieces of gold.
The controls on the Gold Stinger are four knobs: Depth, Discrimination, Audio Threshold, and Ground Balance; two toggle switches: Operating and Tuning Mode select; and a Tuning push button. There are preset arrows on the Discrimination, Depth, and Ground Balance controls which aid in the initial setup of the detector.
The Discrimination circuitry in the Scorpion features a true zero discrimination setting which allows the user to accurately test ore samples to determine if they contain any metal or if they are only highly mineralized "hot rocks." At higher settings, targets such as nails, tin foil, bottle caps, pull tabs, and even screw caps are rejected which enables the Gold Stinger to be used for general treasure hunting, even in high trash areas.
The three-position toggle switch is used to select the operating mode of the Scorpion. As mentioned previously, there are three modes; an All-Metal mode and two discriminate modes, one being a TR discriminate mode which is primarily used for ore testing and other prospecting applications, and the other is an automatic ground -cancelling motion discriminate mode that is used for all other situations such as coin hunting, relic hunting, or prospecting where discrimination would be needed.
The ground-balance circuit features a 16-turn dual knob control which allows for extremely precise settings to compensate for ground mineralization. The inner knob provides coarse tuning and has 25 individual stops. The outer knob provides for the fine tuning and is used to accurately adjust the Gold Stinger for searching in even the worst mineralization.
The Audio control is a 10-turn knob that allows the user to set the audio threshold to the most comfortable level to avoid missing even the smallest target. The toggle switch above the Audio control selects the tuning mode desired. In the Auto mode, the Gold Stinger will maintain the audio level set while searching. If the Manual mode is selected, the audio level will be affected by changing ground condition; however, as described later, there are times when this mode is preferred.
A headphone jack is located on the rear of the control housing and accepts any standard 1/4-inch plug. Due to the location of the jack, it is best if the headphones used have a 90-degree plug rather than the standard straight plug; however, either will work.
The Gold Stinger is powered by 3 nine-volt batteries which are located inside the control housing. The original set that came with the detector provided me with nearly 30 hours of use, and quality alkaline batteries should provide approximately 5 to 10 hours more. While rechargeable batteries can be used with no loss of performance, they are not offered as an option by the factory and with the long battery life provided by even standard carbon batteries, the cost of purchasing ni-cads may not be justified.
INITIAL IMPRESSIONS
After assembling the Gold Stinger and reading through the pocket-sized instruction manual, I proceeded to test the response of the unit to various targets.
Since the Scorpion is marketed as a Garrett's electronic-prospecting detector, I started by checking its response to some natural gold I have. Surprisingly, a vial containing a few grains of flour gold produced a definite response at two to three inches from the coil. A vial containing some small nuggets gave an even stronger response, and also produced a response in the motion discriminate mode as well. I tried other targets including coins, jewelry, and small military artifacts and the depth at which they could be detected was first-rate.
I took the Gold Stinger outside to see how easy it was to ground balance the unit in the highly mineralized red clay found in northern Georgia. Setting the outer Ground Balance control to the initial setting arrow and the mode select toggle switch to All-Metal, I turned the Scorpion on by turning the Depth control clockwise. This control also functions as the battery test control, and the battery strength is indicated by the number of tones heard when turning the unit on.
New batteries will provide five tones, and when only one tone is heard, the batteries should be replaced. Precisely ground-balancing the detector turned out to be quite simple. The loop is raised off the ground, the audio threshold is adjusted to a comfortable level, and the coil slowly lowered to the ground.
If the threshold decreases, you need to increase the amount of ground compensation for the mineralization present, and the opposite is true if the threshold increases. If only a slight change is heard, the outer fine-tuning knob can be used to make the final adjustments.
Raise the loop, press and hold the retune push button, make the required change to the ground-balance control, release the button, and lower the loop to the ground. Repeat this process until there is no change in the audio threshold as the loop is raised and lowered. The more precisely this setting is made, the more sensitive and stable the Gold Stinger will be in the field.
After ground-balancing the Scorpion, I proceeded to see how it responded to the items in my test garden. In both the AH-Metal and Motion Discriminate modes, it gave a solid response to the targets including coins at depths of up to six inches and Civil War artifacts at depths of up to eight inches.
The TR discriminate mode was unable to detect targets deeper than five inches, and this is primarily due to the fact that this mode has no ground compensation. If you were using the Scorpion in an area with very little mineralization such as some areas in the Northeast and Florida beaches, this mode would probably provide depth without requiring any motion.
FIELD TEST
Since I live near Dahlonega, the site of the first major gold rush in the United States, I planned on trying the Scorpion out in some nearby streams, hoping to find some gold missed by previous prospectors. The stream that I selected had been mined since the 1860s and has produced several hundred ounces of both fine gold and small nuggets. Arriving at the site, I heard the drone of a dredge operating upstream, and I realized that, with the amount of prospecting still going on, I would probably not find the "mother lode" during my search.
I set the Depth control to maximum, selected the All-Metal operating mode, placed the tuning toggle switch to automatic, and adjusted the audio threshold to a comfortable level. I carefully ground-balanced the detector, and began to search the shallow sections of the stream. Shortly after I started, I received a definite signal in a section of partially exposed bedrock.
Pinpointing the target, I laid the Scorpion on the bank and began to remove the dirt from the crevice, placing it in a plastic gold pan. After removing nearly five inches of overburden, I located a fired .22 caliber bullet wedged in the bottom of the crack. I continued to search the stream bed for nearly three hours and recovered a number of small metal objects including bullets, buckshot pellets, shell casings, and even a pull tab or two.
While no gold nuggets were located, the Gold Stinger showed that it could locate small targets deeply buried in mineralized ground.
My wife, Rosanne, and I return to this stream planning to use the Scorpion to locate potential areas to bring our dredge in at a later date. Rather than using the detector to locate metal targets, I intended to use it to locate pockets of black sand which often contain gold.
With the 16-turn ground-balance control and the manual audio threshold tuning mode, the Gold Stinger was ideally suited for this application. I used my gold pan to sample a gravel bar located in the stream and determined that, while there was a little black sand present, it would be a good spot to "calibrate" the detector for my search.
Setting the Depth control to Preset, the operating mode toggle switch to All-Metal, and the tuning toggle switch to manual, I preceded to ground-balance the Scorpion. When searching for black sand deposits, I found it preferable to run the audio level slightly higher than normal in order to hear any change.
Slowly scanning likely looking spots, the audio threshold suddenly decreased noticeably, indicating the presence of an increased amount of ground mineralization which is usually caused by a concentration of black sand. Filling the gold pan with a sample from the area and panning it down showed that not only was there a fair amount of black sand present, but a number of small gold flakes as well.
I tried panning some of the material nearby, but s aw that the gold w as only in the small area pinpointed by the Gold Stinger. Over the next hour, we were able to locate several spots that deserved additional work with either a sluice or dredge based on the gold that was recovered.
On the way back to the car, I tried scanning the bank in an area where an old stream bed intersected the present stream. In one area the threshold disappeared completely, indicating a highly mineralized deposit. Carefully panning a shovel-full down, I found more gold in the pan than I had ever found by panning in this creek.
While there were no nuggets, there was enough color to justify bringing a dredge in and thoroughly working the area. The Scorpion had pinpointed several potentially profitable areas in much less time than it would have taken by sampling with a pan.
Satisfied with the Gold Stinger's performance in electronic prospecting, I decided to see how it performed in other applications. The first site I took it to was an area near Marietta that had been the scene of several skirmishes during the Civil War in the battle for Atlanta. Most of the sites in the Atlanta area have been heavily hunted over the years, and this one was no exception. This fact combined with 95-degree temperatures, bone-dry ground, and high tension wires nearby kept me from expecting a large number of finds.
Due to the amount of nails, barbed wire, and other small pieces of ferrous trash in the ground, I selected the motion discriminate mode of operation and set the discriminate control to four. I adjusted the audio threshold to a slight tone, placed the tuning toggle switch in automatic and turned the Depth control - maximum. After a few sweeps, I reduced the Depth control slightly to eliminate the chattering caused by the mineralization and high tension wires and v from then on, the Scorpion operated very smoothly.
The first few targets produced pull tabs and screw caps apparently discarded by hikers in the area. Near the remains of a Confederate trench, I received a solid signal. Carefully digging through the hardened clay, I recovered a .58 caliber minnie ball at nearly 8 inches.
Less than 10 feet away, I received a stronger signal, and proceeded to dig for the target. At 7 inches, I rechecked the hole and determined that the signal was still deeper. At over 12 inches, I recovered an old horseshoe that probably dated back to the Civil War.
After three hours at this site, the heat and humidity caused me to call. it a day; however, despite the adverse conditions and relic hunters who had preceded me, I was able to recover 11 minnie balls of various calibers, the horseshoe, a few unidentifiable objects, and - most importantly - no small iron trash.
The next site I took the Gold Stinger to was a nearby elementary school that had been built in the late 1920s. As with most schools today, it has a great deal of attention by other treasure hunters and the number of finds one makes on an average day has dropped to nearly zero.
The large field in the back has produced well in the past; however, I was certain that the amount of trash that was present had masked many good targets during previous searches. I was hoping that the slow-motion discrimination circuit of the Gold Stinger combined with the new elliptical searchcoil would enable me to locate a few of these targets.
I set the operating mode toggle switch to Motion Discriminate; the discriminate control to five which would reject tin foil, bottle caps, and small pieces of iron; selected the Automatic tuning mode, and set the Depth control to Preset.
As I swept the grassy area, the Gold Stinger did produce some chopped signals that did not repeat, and when I checked them in the All-metal mode, determined that they were large trash targets that the detector was attempting to reject.
Near the ballpark fence, I received a soft, repeatable signal. Pinpointing the target, I cut a three-sided plug and rechecked the hole. Brushing some dirt away from the bottom of the hole, I recovered a 1945 wheat cent at nearly five inches.
The next few signals were quite loud and produced screw caps just under the surface. Near some older wooden benches on the hill, I received a clear signal; however, it would not repeat in the opposite direction. Checking the signal in the AR-Metal mode, it appeared to be two targets near each other, so I decided to recover both of them to see what they were.
At three inches, I found a large lump of tinfoil. Removing the foil and checking the hole produced a clear signal in both directions. At 5 1/2 inches I found a 1944P silver war nickel. The Gold Stinger had detected the coin below a large trash target.
I made several trips to this school and, after 10 hours of searching, recovered a handful of older coins including wheat cents dating back to 1911, the war nickel, and a few silver dimes, many of which were located extremely close to trash targets.
Over the next few weeks, I tried the Gold Stinger out at several other sites and, in each case I was able to recover targets at respectable depths in highly mineralized ground.
SUMMARY
While the name "Gold Stinger" implies that this latest addition to the Garrett line has been designed strictly for prospecting, my experience in the field showed that it performed extremely well in other applications as well. The 16-turn ground-balance control combined with the full-range discriminate circuit and double-D elliptical searchcoil allows the Scorpion to be used quite effectively for coin hunting, relic hunting, and beach hunting.
A full range of optional searchcoils is available including a 3-inch by 7-inch elliptical, as well as a 4- l/ 2 inch, 8-1/2 inch, and 12-1/2 inch circular Crossfire coil which allows* the Gold Stinger to fulfill nearly all of your treasure-hunting needs.
If you are looking for a sensitive detector that can be used under even the most adverse ground conditions, you need to stop into your nearest Garrett dealer and look at the latest addition to their line before you buy.
For the name of your nearest dealer and a copy of the new buyers guide, write the factory at Garrett Electronics, 2814 National Drive, Garland, TX 75041 or call them at (214)278-6151 and mention that you read about the new Scorpion Gold Stinger in Lost Treasure.

Re: scorpion gold stinger, any reviews
Posted by: Bugar In. USA
Date: September 10, 2009 07:19PM
Here's what the box looks like, they have automatic or manual ground balance, note toggle on left side, great detectors for most things= But i am Predjudised :garrett:




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