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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: Sven
Date: June 11, 2014 06:03PM
Don't know as we don't have much info on how this machine works. All we know is that Fisher brought in Dimitar as the engineer, who was told to design 3 metal detectors.
He never designed a metal detector before. When First Texas took over Fisher he was gone. Coinstrike, Edge, Excel were terminated.


"Yes...... Dimitar knew nothing about detectors when Fisher Research Laboratory (Roger Cimino) brought him on-board. And Dimitar was never given any blueprints of any existing detector platform........... so as to have Dimitar start with 'new' mindset."

I run the Edge in disc mode accepting iron down to -26. No notching. Listen to all four tones, if an iron tone comes up (-0 numbered targets), will check the ID numbers. Unless they are -16, -21, -24 bounce to -26 I will not dig them when coin jewelry hunting. They will be iron. The minus numbers indicated are CA clad coins on edge or possibly a nail.


The Edge reminds me of a combination of diff. Tesoro detectors, simple, easy to use, light weight, just deeper and has touch pads instead of knobs and switches.
Probably why I like it..................

Now, it is possible my C$ may have had some issues that I was not aware of, bought it used at a super low price.Know it wasn't a coil problem since I had 6,8,10" coils, unless all three coils were bad.




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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: 88junior
Date: June 12, 2014 12:33AM
Ok so I am still reading up on the Excel and Edge and Coinstrike and I also read the Bill Ladd field test on the Excel. Later I came across a post of his and he said the Edge was deeper than the Excel. But during his field test on the Excel he said the Excel had the same capabilities on depth as the C$ so does that mean the Edge is deeper than the C$?



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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: Sven
Date: June 12, 2014 05:33AM
There have been lots of reviews by owners of the Edge who had the Excel. The Edge was deeper.
The Excel did better at unmasking in iron using the 8" coil vs. the Edge with 8" coil.
But, the Edge unmasked just as well as the Excel with the 6" coil.

http://www.treasurehunting.co.uk/uploads/fieldtests/Test_74.pdf

http://www.treasurehunting.co.uk/uploads/fieldtests/Test_75.pdf

http://home.insightbb.com/~johnhetti/coinstrike/JohnCastle.pdf


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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: jabbo
Date: June 12, 2014 08:21AM
Junior, You probably now know from our responses that the 3 detectors are about equal in depth in mild soil. I would say if you go with the Excel, later you will move want to move up higher and try the Edge or the C$. I started with the Edge and liked it and about 2 years later was wondering about the extra user settings on the C$, so I bought a used one to try. I didn't see any more depth with the C$ but I did like the extra settings that I could adjust if needed. Mostly I ran it flat out for max depth, but at times I needed to tone it down in some places when it gave too many false signals. More user controls is the big advantage of the C$. Plus it has a beach mode switch if you use it on the salty beach sand. The Edge is a good detector but I'm staying with the C$ because it has more user controls.



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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: 88junior
Date: June 12, 2014 08:49AM
Your right Jabbo I am now looking more toward the edge or Coinstrike. I wish I knew someone local that had one so I could try one out before I buy one, but there's none. These machines are getting hard to find to.



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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: June 12, 2014 09:45AM
"Sven" I take it that the lower part of your post is a copy & paste from Mr. Bill correct?

Let me add to that a bit.
Bill Ladd did some field testing with the C$, but when the Edge came out Bill Ladd also contributed to some of the design of it, I'm not saying that's good or bad, its just what it is.

Also, in Mr. Bill's statement I'm not sure what he meant by "You have a semi auto ground balance" but the C$ has an automatic ground balance in that you find a clean spot in the ground, press and hold the ground balance touch pad raise the coil off the ground and release the button, the unit will BEEP to indicate its complete.

The C$'s ID system is really pretty good but its not the first thing to go for when you get a response, its the tone and its repeatability, then watch the display. Like, those rusty bottle caps fool a lot of machines and maybe the C$ a little more but what I found is when its a cap you may get a high tone on one pass and then it may drop out on the second pass?? here is a sign, sweep and watch the display, on the silent pass you will notice a minus reading (iron) in relationship to the positive reading, the detector is telling you that the target is most likely not a keeper.

Next, that fast recovery speed, while hunting that outdoor theater I discovered that the C$ will do another thing interesting. It will clue you to coins (good targets) being mask buy other unwanted targets. Now I don't remember finding any that day in with rusty Iron but the C$ was amazing at doing this with common pitched litter like is found at outdoor events. It has a way of "Hinting" to the coin, like in one direction of the swing you'll get the coin tone, in the other you'll get the ID for the other target, like its repeating a 26-28 then maybe the other way you keep getting a 14-18 that's the hint! there is most likely a penny or dime down there. Also, the C$ is one detector that got me in the habit of circling the targets (moving around) it as I sweep the coil over it, in doing this I found that if I can clean the signal up in any one direction then you would do good to dig it.

I think some of the lose ID numbers with the C$ may come from the detector trying to read and identify more seeing how the display is all metal.

One thing that helped me with the C$ was the one I first got came with a bad coil and I didn't know it, I fought and fought with it trying to get it to do something right, trying to figure it out, I tried every setting every adjustment and the only reason I stuck with it is because on a few occasions it seemed to work if only for a few minutes. Then a co-worker at work bought one and his ran perfect! so we switched control housing (that was easier that dismounting the coils) THEN!!! it all came together, all those times of going through the settings and adjustments became so simple, but that still left me to learning the language, learning those hints and it tricks.

I had mine out just last night for awhile and it had me DIGGING! I found the deepest penny at our city park that I've found in a long time, not sure of the date yet because its pretty corroded and I've got it soaking in Olive oil right now.

This is my second C$, I sold or traded ?? the first one I had, but this one I got off Mr.Bill and was a new one so its still under warranty (if First Texas would honor it??)
I was a little surprised at how stable the detector was last night, I was running it pretty hot with the sensitivity at 9 and the threshold at -5, I tried the threshold at 0 and it got a little jumpy, so I dropped it back to -5.

I had a bit of excitement with the C$ in that I thought I had found GOLD! they're wasn't a lot of coins in the area so I needed to get back into shape with the C$ so I thought I would practice and dig some Zinc's so its late evening and I get a good 21-22 reading, (ZInc) and I start digging and at about 3" of so I saw the glint of GOLD! so getting down to be able to get it out it started looking like a bracelet, so I started pulling it out and it looked even more like a bracelet, then when I got it out about half way I could see that it was a ladies Gold Toned, maybe gold filled watch?? Its not going to work for sure but I was surprised in its overall condition. The watch was a service award for a lady who's name is on the back and it was also dated,
Marsha H. Slater
1983
State Farm Life
Its looks like it may have a small Diamond @ 12:00
I don't know if it would be worth enough to try and return it or not? but it was still a good find.

Mark




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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: June 12, 2014 11:49AM
Here is the back of the watch, does anybody think it would be worth trying to find the owner of the watch and return it? I mean its never going to be a working watch again.

Mark




Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: 88junior
Date: June 12, 2014 12:07PM
Mark I would try to find her but I wouldn't waste a ton of my time doing it, due to the condition of it.



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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: June 12, 2014 03:08PM
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88junior
Mark I would try to find her but I wouldn't waste a ton of my time doing it, due to the condition of it.

Well I found her, it took all of maybe 5 minutes, I've not contacted her yet, but she has a State Farm agency in the area and that puts her on Facebook as which I don't do but the wife does. I just did a search for Marsha Slater and all the stuff that pops up for her and State Farm is her.
I may have the wife post a picture of the watch on Marsha's Facebook page and see what shakes out of that.

Mark

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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: Sven
Date: June 12, 2014 03:17PM
Yes that was a copy and paste post.
I bought my first Edge from Mr. Bill.

After reading your post, kind of thinking maybe my C$ had some issues. And or I needed some extensive training on it for a number of months.
Now you have me wondering if I should try another if one is found priced right. See used one here and there but, prices are double what Fisher cleared them out at.



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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: MarkCZ
Date: June 12, 2014 03:54PM
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Sven
Yes that was a copy and paste post.
I bought my first Edge from Mr. Bill.

After reading your post, kind of thinking maybe my C$ had some issues. And or I needed some extensive training on it for a number of months.
Now you have me wondering if I should try another if one is found priced right. See used one here and there but, prices are double what Fisher cleared them out at.

A good C$ should be had for around $250.00 to no more than $300.00 MAX!

Mark



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Sven, I think if your soil is not mineralized much then the Edge
Posted by: jabbo
Date: June 12, 2014 04:02PM
will be equal to the C$. I owned both and made comparisons in the field, and those tests showed me they are equal in depth. My soil here is not bad. Sometimes I use Tracking but not often. If I get a lot of false signals I adjust the Threshold a little, sometimes down to minus 50. It seems to narrow the detection width a little and reduces the Sens. If the Edge is doing well in your soil then you may not gain anything at all with the C$. Plus it's heavier. Like I said, I kept the C$ because it has more user options, even tho I rarely need to use them. I've read here that some guys in other parts of the country have to tone the C$ way down because their soil is really bad, and they lose detection depth.



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Re: Sven, I think if your soil is not mineralized much then the Edge
Posted by: Sven
Date: June 12, 2014 05:09PM
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jabbo
If the Edge is doing well in your soil then you may not gain anything at all with the C$. Plus it's heavier.

Yup your right. The Edge is working, that's good enough for me for what I need it to do. My PI takes care of the rest of my needs.
Plus I do have to consider my elbow and shoulder joints. Remember the soreness the C$ inflicted after a few hours.....

Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: 88junior
Date: June 13, 2014 10:54AM
Ok Sven I seen you got a new machine are you going to be getting rid of your edge keep me in mind if you decide to! That machine you got looks pretty cool.



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Re: Fisher Coinstrike
Posted by: Sven
Date: June 13, 2014 05:14PM
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88junior
Ok Sven I seen you got a new machine are you going to be getting rid of your edge keep me in mind if you decide to! That machine you got looks pretty cool.

LOL...........sorry not getting rid of it, keeping it, don't want to have to look for another one again, especially with a 6" coil.
I have been eyeing the AKA's for the past couple years. And when I read about the Berkut on Gary's UK Forum, knew I had to have on. It will be different and will have to go
thru a learning curve. Time to try something made outside North America.

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