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New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: bigtim1973
Date: October 03, 2016 08:28PM
Ok I know some of you swinging these things are down right natural with one. I just got one second hand today. It is the SE without the DST mod. I am fine with that. It seems a little different than other top end units I have ever owned. I have had some pretty good ones too through the years. This one is a bit different and I am welcoming the challenge. I primarily coin shoot but do some relic hunting as well. I have had other Teknetics units and I know they can do a pretty good job of picking out the coins. I like the depth I got while coinshooting with several teknetics units. I guess I am going to ask some of you what mode you set yours up in for coin shooting? I like the choice of tones on this F 75. I really like the back light too. It is very nice. I know I will wind up fiddling around and wind down to a certain set up I like best but I just want your opinions on the settings some of you guys use.



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Fisher F 75 SE Tesoro Compadre Teknetics Omega 8000

Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: MI-AuAg
Date: October 04, 2016 09:09AM
Hello bigtim1973,

Like you, I have other top end machines for various purposes. I've had my new F75 gold for about a month. I've also had experience with First Texas machines, so it was almost second nature to operate the F75.

First, since yours is a used one, I would do a reset on it. Clear the board, so to speak, since the F75 retains settings.

In terms of setting suggestions, I won't give you much advice there, other than to start in the de (default) search process. Run sensitivity as high as conditions will allow. Since EMI, ground mineralization, etc., vary by location, simple experimentation in increments is how I usually start with a new machine. Audio pitch, number of tones etc., is more of a personal preference, based on situations. If it should get chatty, I found a freq. change usually helps rather than lower sensitivity. It's a pretty easy machine to get used to.

Enjoy your new machine, I am!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2016 09:21AM by MI-AuAg.

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: REVIER
Date: October 04, 2016 12:16PM
Man, you will love it if and when you can get a handle on it and how it behaves.
The gain, (sense), setting is not like normal detectors or like a volume knob on a stereo.
All settings are way higher than you might think and can even hit deep targets with the sense set into single digits.
DST...nice to have but I don't and never saw a need for it and I have hunted in a few sites with more EMI then you might believe possible.
The sense and thresh have a relationship and by different adjustment combinations can make for some very quiet hunting if you like it that way, with some higher more powerful settings and it might get a bit noisier but learn to deal with it and in good soil getting past 12" is more than possible...without boost because I have done it.
Even on noisier settings all the way up to a shear wall of sound and erratic behavior this thing will stop all the jumping and nonsense and tells you it is swinging over something good in some way every time...you just have to learn those indicators.

This thing will up average all targets in the presence of iron, this is a programmed feature and for hunting in heavy iron sites or even mineralized soil can have great advantages for those that understand this and use this knowledge.

I went from a relatively stable F2 with about 1000 hours experience and calmed down non jumping numbers to the way more powerful F70 and it took awhile to get a handle on the much jumpier numbers I got and took a little time to get them to calm down to a much smaller and stable range but all it took was practice.
Like going from riding a tame pony at a kid's birthday party to a totally wild appoloosa...well worth the time and effort to stick with it and I still found great targets all along the way while learning.

For coin and jewelry shooting in parks I sometimes use 3H or 4H a lot, that idea to change nickels to high tones was a genius move and found me more nickel area gold than you might think because I noticed them easier.
Using multi tones I can set the disc to knock out whatever level if trash I want to avoid and hunt without looking at the screen.
When I hear a good one then I look at the screen and then a few more quick sweeps and decide to dig...or not.
Usually DE, disc at about 23 to avoid most problem small foil and iron but still keep in the possibility of finding gold...I have found 3-4 gold rings that came in at 24 so I rarely go higher than than 23 on the disc for that reason.

Below 5 and after 20 this thing will discriminate using a bit different programming method, it all works but below and above these numbers the effect is somewhat like a small boost but it is also a bit more susceptible to EMI.
The quietest disc settings for this thing will be between 5-20 for that reason, but you also have the frequency choices and the gain and thresh to help mitigate that problem also.

As far as settings so many use different ones and we all seem successful.
Some keep the sense down to 40-50, some higher, some set the thresh high, some low and add in the tone choices the settings list is endless.
You will find your own favorites soon enough but for me at most of my sites using disc a sense setting of 85 is common with a thresh into the negative numbers although I have been known to do some heavy tweaking just to see what might happen.
A lot can happen with sometimes just some relatively small changes.
Can't tell you how much I have found using most all of them because most everything seems to work on these things.
Extremely challenging sites might take a bit more thought and experimentation but as of yet I have not come across and site or situation mine could not conquer.
Except a saltwater beach that is because I have never tried that yet.
Don't count me out because one day on vacation I will give it my best shot and I have confidence galore in mine's ability.


Hunting in heavy trash or iron I use all metal or really low disc like at 0 or 1 and usually use monotone in disc and watch that screen.
There are behavior patterns to everything out there that you can learn to have confidence in with practice.
DE in heavy trash or especially iron vs boost...you want that speed to help tell the difference between close targets.
You can use higher disc to knock out all the iron too, easier at first but I have learned to get more usable info when all data is presented to me no matter how much.

There might be a pretty large amount of noise and chatter difference between 0 disc and that slight move to 1.
I use 1 most of the time when using disc and I seem to miss very little from what I can tell and my sanity stays intact.
If you can believe it I think I get less noise, chatter and jumping using all metal and maxed out settings than a disc setting of 0 and lower settings...but I am weird so that is not in stone.

In heavy trash areas you wander into with the big DD mounted try turning the sense down to about 30...or below.
Still plenty deep but if you do this it has the remarkable effect of honing that scanning field down to a much smaller and almost laser like surgical instrument.
Don't know how or why...it just does, trust me.
The actual sniper coils are a bit better but you will not believe how close this coil can approximate one using these settings.

This unit is one of the few that will lose very little or no measurable depth on high disc...even maxed out disc.
Using the knowledge of these two features I have wandered into extreme trash areas like around picnic pavilions that I had hit a hundred times before with all kinds of detectors and coils and thought I had drained of all good targets.
I set the disc at 60 and the sense at 30 with that big DD coil mounted using 3 or 4 tones and those sites came alive again with good targets, some decently deep at the 5-6" area laying under that blanket of trash, finding targets deeper than that is also possible.
Like all of those missed targets now had a little red flag sticking out of the ground over them with the words dig me printed on them.
Mind blowing once you experience this.
This might also work in dense iron but I have not tried that and got comfortable using other ways.

The lowest tone settings seem to be more stable around EMI than the higher ones.
1, 1F and 2F are the most stable and quietest compared to the others but all can be used with great results.
I use 1, monotone, a lot because it seems to give me the best most responsive and fastest reading in tones and screen info.
In reality DP tones is the only one supposedly tied in directly to the VDI numbers so I assume fastest of them all but I am still practicing trying to get better with that tone choice as it does take some practice
For some DP is all they use and they are startlingly successful at it.

In extremely heavy iron I use a way out of the box thinking method of all metal, DE and sense and thresh pretty much maxed.
A crazy way that also took time to master that I call blast through settings.
These settings can trigger some pretty accurate repeating behaviour from non ferrous targets attempting to hide in, around along side or even under tons of iron of all sizes.
There are indicators and behavior patterns that are noticeable once you get good at this method but again, as with most things, lots and lots of practice makes perfect.
If you are interested in knowing more about this method one day a search with my name and the words blast through, iron mine and F70 should bring most of them up.
If not just let me know and I can point you in that direction.
I am not sure how many other detectors or brands can hunt in iron so successfully using these kinds of settings, if any, but I guarantee the 3 built on this platform can and maybe the F5 and F19 might be able to also.

These top end Fishers are amazing and can be more jaw dropping successful than you might suspect at this point.
For me my jaw has not stopped hurting, my treasure pouch is overflowing and my amazement and joy has not stopped growing in about 3 seasons experience with mine so far.
Still learning and getting better at it all too...that never ends.

Enjoy your journey.



"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 13 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and two V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2016 12:43PM by REVIER.

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: WV62
Date: October 04, 2016 01:23PM
Revier I have heard this up averaging deal before but could never prove it on my 2 F75's. I was wondering if you know how I could prove this on my latest F75?

I would think if I had a coin kind of close to some iron my ID number would be lower than a quarter by it's self, but higher than the iron by it's self.

Just wondering what your take is on this.

If my above statement is what to expect, I don't see that it would do anybody any good.

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: REVIER
Date: October 04, 2016 05:31PM
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WV62
Revier I have heard this up averaging deal before but could never prove it on my 2 F75's. I was wondering if you know how I could prove this on my latest F75?

I would think if I had a coin kind of close to some iron my ID number would be lower than a quarter by it's self, but higher than the iron by it's self.

Just wondering what your take is on this.

If my above statement is what to expect, I don't see that it would do anybody any good.

Ron in WV


Ron...You got it wrong.
I see your confusion and I will set you straight and help you find even more than you are now if you have soil that acts anything like mine or if you ever hunt in heavy iron infested sites.
Here is the gist and that novel below will illustrate...

You are thinking of blended signals but not in the right way.
A quarter in a hole with a nickel will usually even out to somewhere around a dime in normal soil for most of us.
A 35 number tab laying n on a 73 dime won't be either but a signal somewhere in between.
A low conductor and a higher one or any combinations of these different conductive metals will skew most signals all the time everywhere if they are in close proximity and all this is just a form of masking.
Here is the difference with iron using the F70/F75/T2 platform and who knows maybe a couple of others.....
The iron will throw off false higher signals for sure, if it is rusty even small nails con false into high coin numbers several inches away from where it actually lays.
Big rusty iron even further.
Then you can get those actual iron numbers mixed in too but you can really nail them down if you search around the area with your coil and use your pinpoint to find their exact location.
Now add a coin in there, let's say a merc that is within the conductivity field thrown off by all this iron stuff when energized by the signals sent out by our coils.
In these cases you are thinking the iron will combine with the dime like that nickel and dime would but this is not what happens.
In reality they remain, for the most part, separate entities with a different relationship yet still combined in a totally unique way.
Think of a lava lamp filled with a translucent liquid and colored wax that makes up the rising and falling bubbles.
They are not actually combined, the light source in the bottom heats the wax which changes its density so it rises.
When it gets high enough it starts to cool and gets heavier so it sinks and so on.
The iron is the heat source and non ferrous targets near iron can be thought of that heated wax.
Iron causes the normal conductivity readings to rise, NOT combine with that dime and make a signal that would be somewhere between like two different coins.
Iron lifts up that merc signal into non normal areas, it doesn't lower it at all like other coins or trash could.
These higher than normal signals are there although they might not be easy to notice at first unless you have the right settings and know what you are looking for.
Using monotone, low disc and very high sense can do it, this is the essence of Dankowski's monotone, disc on 6 method.
High gain on these units will actually give you higher resolution around iron, not cloud the issue like many think...the high headlights in a fog theory.
My maxed out blast through settings will do it too and way more than well I have found.
Those high settings will also see those better targets as way higher than normal, what took me so long to get good at doing it this way is maneuvering that coil at a slow enough speed to notice this block of higher numbers,(never a single or two numbers...always a larger block of at least 5 or 6), and then moving that coil ever so slowly from 2 directions to get them to repeat efficiently.
If indeed a good target is laying there masked at all.
In my rough soil I don't need to use high gain at all, all targets are up averaged around here and the deeper they are the higher they are.

Many examples and experiences below.....


I never air tested or set up a test garden with iron but I have seen the proof multiple times in the field in both good soil and bad...the best way to gain good data is by hunting in the wild I would think.
I have no doubt that it is a real thing and because it can lift all non ferrous targets up into a higher range than normal...literally lift them up and out of a combo signal of not only a small bit of iron in the vicinity but a blanket of thick iron of any kind and help you notice them easier I am going to call this a feature and a great one at that.

6 months after I started hunting with my F70 I noticed this effect big time and it helped me find my first gold of 2014 and I was still deep into the experimenting and tweaking phase at this time.
This was a very difficult site to hunt and I had been their many times.
Really great black mild soil in this park in Missouri, mineralization was not an issue ever back there and I usually GB'd at this park at low to mid 40's numbers and at the most one bar on the dirt meter...if that.
Iron generally was not an issue either in most areas of the public parks I usually hunted although I did come across a little once in awhile plus I did visit a few sites with major amounts where I learned many life lessons...this was not one of them.
This area was at the edge of an old park near a sidewalk and street that had more EMI issues than any other site I ever visited before or since.
It always had this crazy huge constant pulsing EMI problem in this same spot and I never figured out why but this was right next to the parking area so I always walked through here every time I came trying different settings and things till the noise, jumping and chatter drove me crazy and I eventually moved on to much quieter areas in this large park.
I did try very low sense and thresh settings here too sometimes and they worked shockingly well in making my heater a true silent searcher in that crazy place and enabled me to find great stuff but you know me, high crazy settings boy and I happened to be in that mode on this hunt.
On this hunt I had the big DD coil mounted and I was using my blast through all settings maxed out method when I came across this signal.
Hard as it might be to believe those pumped up SL all metal settings were actually quieter than using lower settings in disc and DE here for some reason...again I have no clue why this would be but it was.
I swung over a target and got a mixed signal of iron and something else.
Low iron numbers on the ends on every swing plus higher falsing numbers into the 70's like rusty iron can cause and at first glance this was nothing I should have thought to dig.
However, every time I swung I got those iron and falsing signals I also got something else right in the middle...a pretty short but consistent kind of repeatable tone and numbers on the screen that always said 52-53.
I got curious so I stopped and maneuvered that coil a bit more and used my pinpoint butt to see if I could figure out what was going on.
Soon enough I guessed there were three targets here and close enough that they were all under my coil at the same time if I centred on that middle target.
There was a small piece of rusty iron on the left, turned out to be a rusty nail because I dug that one later, and a large piece of iron on the right that was deep enough that I never even tried to dig it curious or not.
What was that low 50's number target in the middle I wondered?
I thought at the time probably can slaw but I hoped it might be a masked gold class ring because I had dug 4 all in the 48-52 low zinc range area in the past.
I stuck my digger in and popped a tiny shallow plug and it was a bit deeper so one more time in that hole with the tip of my digger and I pried up a little more dirt.
I was shocked when a gold ring actually did come up that time!
I was thrilled and then a bit confused after that wore off, this thing was not huge like a class ring, only about 3.2 grams of 10k, so why did it come in so high like those much bigger and heavier class rings always did?
I air tested it out of the ground in my hand and I was surprised again...this time it rang up as a solid 41 on every pass no matter how I held it, a much more normal signal for a ring this size and a full 10 numbers lower than those original repeating numbers.
I swung over the whole area again and there was nothing there at all, no trash, no other signal on anything else except that big iron that was still deeper that I left in the ground.
It had to be those iron targets that caused this, nothing else was around that could have done it.
That was lesson one.

Lesson two was in that iron mine where I found all those great things that were missed by so many including myself for years.
Iron everywhere including more than one piece in just about every hole I dug even the ones with good targets plus huge rusty iron farm junk deeper like chains and rings and rusty tools.
It took me awhile to figure that place out but when I finally got good enough to actually recognize the great stuff masked to the extreme I realized something.
Every target I dug at that place that was old and great and all in the the 4-6" depth level area all came in really really high before I dug them.
Indian heads and old wheat cents, silver dimes and a walker half all came in at the high 80's to low to mid 90's and as you know that is more like silver half to silver dollar range...usually.
Thinking Back I believe that walker was higher than even those numbers into like the mid to higher 90's.
Even the other things I recovered like a tiny slip wheel brass lighter, an aluminum stamping machine token and just about everything else all came in at much higher ranges than you would ever suspect.
Every one of those targets when air tested out of the ground all returned to their normal numbers...every one.
Guess what caused it all...yep, that iron because it was everywhere.
The key to this method was moving the coil slow and trying to notice not stable numbers because there never were any here but blocks of numbers, a small range of about 5-6 that I could get to repeat somewhat and would do it again from a 90 degree angle.
I didn't care where those numbers were as long as they weren't repeating at only iron numbers...if they weren't they got dug which was good.

At another site in another park around an old farmhouse with another unusual amount of iron nails and junk it happened again, I dug wheats and silver dimes at numbers again up into those same blocks of high 80's to low 90's ranges that repeated and had missed so many times before I learned and practiced this iron hunting method.

Cut to my current hunting location here in my red clay mineralized soil in parks in this city with even more helpings of iron besides that normal iron oxide that makes the dirt so red.
Everything I learned in those iron filled sites transferred to all the sites I hunt here.
The only targets that come in normal here are the really shallow ones and sometimes not even then.
An IH I dug a few months ago, you know, the kind that usually come in as a zincoln signal, was only about 1-2" deep but it still came in as a signal between a regular dime and a quarter due to some iron near it deeper.
Out of the ground, normal.
I have dug tons of wheats, several IH's a lot more silver dimes, a few war nickels, tokens galore and more after I moved back at many different sites all around the city, all of them came in much higher than normal and they get higher the deeper they go in this soil and then all returned to normal again when freed.
A silver war nickel dug at about 3" came in at the mid 60's, another one and a few buffs that were more into the 5-6" depth level were all back into those low 80's to low 90's again and a real deep V nickel at 7-8" was in the 90's consistently...yea, even nickels.
A silver dollar at 4" was a solid 98-98 from every direction, I dug that one because I never saw a signal like that before and it was solid, stable and sounded sweet in DP tones.
Again they all returned to normal away from that iron.
Even head stamps, bullets, tabs and other trash soars high here if they are past 3", just a fact in my world and part of the whole new language I had to learn to hunt in it successfully.
The only deep target that I can remember digging here that was deep that was entirely normal was a silver Masonic token that came in at a solid quarter signal every time from every direction ant it was very but of 7" deep.
In this spot was a patch of unusually mild black dirt without much of the normal mineralized properties most other black dirt around here still posses and no iron near it either.
This was fill dirt piled up near a fire station they had built on this site in this park in 1961.
Where the heck that dirt came from I haven't a clue and I have dug a couple other normal signalS in that dirt too but nowhere else.

So to recap....Iron doesn't combine with targets it lifts them way high, up averaging at its very essence.
Understand this and learn techniques and methods to notice these higher than normal signals and the world is yours.



"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 13 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and two V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2016 05:42PM by REVIER.

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: REVIER
Date: October 04, 2016 06:07PM
Here is that ring that began my lessons in understanding iron around Fishers.



"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 13 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and two V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2016 06:11PM by REVIER.




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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: ronhob
Date: October 04, 2016 08:26PM
Great explanation REVIER ! Thanks so much for the very detailed hunting technique. I will be sure n try the blast through AM single tone method.



A few of the videos I have made. Take from them what you will, and leave the rest. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Ronhob1

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: WV62
Date: October 04, 2016 09:14PM
Thanks Revier, I printed that out so I will be doing some studying on all that good information.

Thanks again,

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: bigtim1973
Date: October 04, 2016 10:16PM
Well I took it out for the first time today. Pictured here is some finds from a civil war camp I have discovered on the property I live on. I have found some US bit bosses here a couple of weeks ago. I had no idea there were things like this out on the property I live on. As I have only found old shotgun brass, rifle cartridges and clad coins here until a couple of weeks ago. Anyways in the pic is an old fork, spoon handle, some camp lead and a couple of small musket balls. I also found a brass screw I think that may have went to an old oil lamp but it is not pictured. I am really pleased with the replies and tips by Revier and MI-AuAg. MI-AuAg, I may do a hard reset but I saw a DE setting. Is that a default factory setting? I thank you for being so kind and sharing your set up program Revier. I have read it but am going to re read it again and probably again. Heck I will probably print it out too and read it a few more times. I was running the F 75 in jewelry mode with 2 tone for the most part. I had disc set at 20 for a while then went up to 25 for a while. For the most part I had sens at about 65. I was able to turn it up to around 80 and she ran pretty stable. I went back to about 65 or so. I searched in some setting that had a ton of tones. Like a tone for each ID number. Anyways, the targets are few and you really have to comb it over out there but I have only scratched the surface on that side of the property because it is on the edge of a woodline and I have not cleared any more of it out of the way. That is how I discovered it. I did however have to dig most of the targets with a shovel. They were all deep. There is some iron out there too but I have not found any horse shoes or similar. The area I hunted today is hard diggings and I am going to wait for a good day or so of rain and sweep the area with the large 15 inch DD Fisher coil. Like previous posted I am a coinshooter by heart. I do some relic hunting. Heck, I know I am showing relics and asking about coin shooting tips but I am getting a feel for how this puppy reacts out in the real world. I appreciate all of the replies and keep them coming too!!



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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: bigtim1973
Date: October 04, 2016 10:29PM
I also searched in all metal too. I dug the iron just to see what it was and that is where the old spoon and fork came into play. Am glad I did but the old fork broke coming out the dirt. I was bummed about that. But hey, it is still a cool finds.



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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to knowN/T
Posted by: REVIER
Date: October 04, 2016 11:24PM

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"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 13 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and two V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.




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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: REVIER
Date: October 05, 2016 08:39AM
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ronhob
Great explanation REVIER ! Thanks so much for the very detailed hunting technique. I will be sure n try the blast through AM single tone method.

Good luck, they both work but as I have stated before in other threads where I talked about hunting this specific nightmare site it started out for me in SL and maxed out all metal as a huge confusing mess, jumping everywhere, could hardly make sense of anything I could see or hear.
As time went on I eventually started to notice those quick flashes of higher blocks of numbers and then I worked that coil, (the big DD was the one I was using at the time), ever so slowly over areas where I was sure there was falsing higher number targets but were at least a few inches away after pinpointing them.
I dug one or two older wheats but still was digging a ton of iron that seemed to mimic this behavior so I kept practicing.
Soon I started getting other high number blocks and decided to turn and hit these signals from that 90 degree angle.
Some didn't repeat those high numbers but changed to lower ones in different areas with tons of jumping...those were always iron.
The ones that had those numbers I could get to repeat and then did exactly the same when I turned and hit them again were usually the good ones...this was the key.
When I dug a silver merc out of this site I knew I was on to something, as I practiced this I started to recover more and more great hidden treasure along with other targets that might have been trash at lower blocks of numbers not in the 80's to 90's range but they were not iron at least.
I went from knowing nothing and digging everything to, by the end, pretty much targeting every non ferrous target at will...and digging very little iron while doing it.
I can't get across how big of a change this evolution was from when I started to my last hunt there, like not knowing how to drive, practicing a little then going on to win the Indy 500 in a short time span.
This is the single most important and helpful skill I have ever learned in my whole career in this hobby and the one I am most proud of learning, the benefits have been many for me ever since in both heavy iron and dense trash and will be until I can't lift a detector and swing anymore.
I learned the first steps and became successful using the big DD SL boost speed and all metal but over time I took the elliptical concentric and the small DD sniper in there and found good targets with all of them easily but the sniper was the easiest to use overall which is logical.
I eventually adjusted those settings to DE speed which was way faster and better for this technique and bumped the sense down a bit from 99 to 95 and the thresh from 9-5 and it still worked like a charm.
They might be able to go even lower still and make it all even easier but I still tweak them when I come across sites like this so I am still attempting to get even better...but they work so well as they stand right now.
I went in with Dankowski's monotone and disc settings after getting skilled in all metal and that worked too and I found more but I did change those settings from 6 on the disc to 1 because it seemed a bit more responsive.
Curiously, I took my Vaq into this site one day and found another really old wheat cent I had missed.
Never was successful before with this rig here with any coil but the lessons learned here with my Fisher made me a better hunter in iron with the Vaq...usually it works the other way.

As long as you are going to try this a few insights...
Have patience and keep at it, it took me several hours of searching before I started to notice that high block of numbers behavior and more to get efficient at moving the coil to find and recognize them fast and efficiently.
Those "AHA" moments as I call them when I learn something useful came slow at first but started to come faster as my skill set grew.

Those higher number blocks that were not in iron, I mentioned at least a 5-6 number range but it could be even a few more than that sometimes.
The key is noticing them whenever they pop up and to get that same range of numbers, whatever they are, to repeat from at least 2 angles.
There will be tons to distract you and those higher number blocks might not be easy to notice...at first.
High number falsing from iron all around and lots of jumping is always present.
Number dropping low even into the iron section can happen but as long as it doesn't happen a lot, repeatedly or has a high number one way and a low number on the backswing, all those are usually iron signals I have found when I dug them, repeatable higher number blocks from two directions are usually non ferrous targets.
It is important to use your pinpoint button every time you come across this higher number sort of repeating behavior from one way, this can be falsing from iron in the area.
If you move your coil away from the area and then come in to where the high numbers seem to be but if you see a pretty deep depth number move the coil around that area and see if the numbers get lower if you move in any direction.
This will lead you to the real area where the iron throwing off that falsing will be laying and at that point you should get repeated iron tones and numbers every time and the smallest depth readings.
I can't tell you how many holes I opened in the wrong place without any good targets at all before I learned to do this...it will cut down on spinning your wheels a ton when you learn to tell the difference and lead to a much higher volume and quality percentage recovery rate...eventually.

If you get good at this blast through method, that low disc monotone method or any other way that is out there wading into heavy iron sites that send others screaming into the night will still be challenging but also pleasurable with your new skill set and could be shockingly productive.
I had just such a site I was lucky enough to have at my disposal to learn these skills and the proof is in these pics.
Lots of the big iron I dug as I was learning, some of the smaller items to and the family photo of the greater treasures I eventually found.
What you don't see is any of the million nails, nuts, bolts and wire of all sizes I dug during all of this.
Literally at least one big bucket full for sure but I have absolutely no regrets because of what you see in the last pic of a lot of the better things I found...with some time and effort.

I really appreciate you guys that thanked me and that understand and appreciate my efforts and want to try this stuff for themselves.
If a dummy like me can figure it out and get it to work anybody can if you put in the time and effort.
Helping others find that next great thing gives me great pleasure and when you guys post pics of those great new hard earned finds that is all the thanks I really need.
I love writing these long info filled posts when they can do some good, not really work for me but a labor of love because I enjoy writing so much also.

Always remember...
"He who does the work reaps the rewards and fortune always favors the bold!"



"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 13 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and two V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2016 09:07AM by REVIER.




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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: WV62
Date: October 05, 2016 08:25PM
Revier, as I said I printed out your write up on up averaging, I took it to my study room and went over it pretty good and you are write I kind of had it all wrong. I kind of had to think back on some of my hunts to see if I could relate to some real world hunts.

I remembered on several hunts I was running disc well above nickels and I would pop a nickel out of the ground that was giving me a high tone and numbers in the dime quarter range.

Then I remembered hunting at max disc and I would get nice high tone coin and I would open up the hole and didn't find anything so I would hit it with the detector and nothing. By chance I thought it was just one of those ghost signals and starter closing up the hole and a coin caught my eye. I checked it and it was a wheat penny and the detector still would not detect it so I ran the disc down to zinks and the detector would hit on it now.

So based on what you said I would say both of these may have been in with some iron. I am pretty sure the nickel was, but the pennies may have been because of a hallo they were in pretty bad shape.

Always glad to learn something new.

Good stuff,

Thanks

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: REVIER
Date: October 05, 2016 09:33PM
Happy to help...you saw up averaging in action but you didn't realize it at the time.
Maybe down averaging on that zinc or something else, I never see that stuff happen around here with iron but a piece of foil or can slaw could have pulled that wheat down low for sure.
Now that you know how it works I bet you will be able to find a lot more in iron and mineralization with a little practice and observation.
Most things aren't hard to do once you know how to do them, everything gets easier with experience.

When I lived here before I turned into a shallow target and jewelry hunter pretty quickly because it was just too frustrating to find older coins which are usually a bit deeper and masked, disguised or screwed up in some strange way.
Now I can go after them because of the F70 and mostly this up averaging feature which I use to my advantage.
I have amazed friends I hunt with because of what I learned to do in this dirt, I amazed myself more than anybody else when I saw how well this stuff works.

I used to be depressed thinking I was moving back to this state and all its problems after having a look on the other side, now I am glad I am here because there seems to be a ton of great targets all over the place for those that learn how to recognize them.
So many sites here are considered hunted out after having been hunted since the 60's.
I don't believe that at all, they just haven't been hunted by me.



"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 13 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and two V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2016 09:37PM by REVIER.

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Re: New to me Fisher F 75 SE gonna take a bit to get to know
Posted by: WV62
Date: October 06, 2016 10:52AM
Okay, that last question turned into a nice little nugget of info. I think this may go along with up averaging. Now I know that a concentric coil has some advantages when hunting in iron. So would a concentric coil do better when working in the iron?

I have that little 6.5" concentric football coil that I really like hunting with.

Ron in WV



Worked and lived in the Huntington West Virginia area all my life, retired 2010
US Air Force Vietnam Veteran (68-69 & 70-71)
Started getting into metal detecting around 1975

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