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Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: shadowulf
Date: September 21, 2013 05:38PM
Awesome user guide, Digger. I'm looking into possibly getting a x-terra 70/705 and this guide really gets into some of the "nuts&bolts". of this machine.
Between the factory manual and this guide, getting "proficient" with the x-terra should be a lot easier.

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: Agau
Date: September 28, 2013 06:40PM
Digger: I'm totally new to metal detecting. I studied your eBook along with the Minelab manual before my 705 arrived and I can't tell you how much this has help reduced my learning curve. Thank-you for your eBook along with the wealth of other contributions you have provided here - especially in the FAQ section.

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Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: Digger
Date: September 28, 2013 07:28PM
You're entirely welcome. Glad to hear I've been able to help reduce your learning curve. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to make a post. There are a lot of knowledgeable folks who frequent this forum. HH Randy



You'll never know for sure......unless you dig it! HH "Digger"




After 45-years of detecting, and having owned dozens of different detectors, I've come to the conclusion that maintaining success in the field is largely dependent on three things..... choice of site, acquiring a proper skill set for the detector and the detector itself..... in that order. Research, practice and persistence. There are no substitutes.

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: pitcher
Date: February 01, 2014 12:43AM
Hello Digger, after reading every post I can find and reading your book ( Understanding your X-Terra ) front to back about 5 times I have only one question, right now I have the At Pro and I like it, but I am looking for a detector that is better in parks and school grounds.
The X-Terra 705 really sounds good to me but I dont want to buy a detector that is almost the same as my At Pro, not looking for a war between the At and the 705 at all, just some info on the 705 and from what I have read there is no one better to ask than you.
I hunt for coins and rings most of the time because here in utah theres not much civil war stuff thats not on private land and its very hard to get the ok to hunt those places so I hunt alot of public land.
I hear the Etrac is really good at finding coins but I am not ready to shell that kind of money out right now, I have been detecting for 20 or more years and have tryed alot of detectors but never a MineLab so I was thinking the 705 might be a good starting place for me with the MineLab line.

Thanks for all your help and the great info you supply to the hobby

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Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: Digger
Date: February 01, 2014 04:13PM
I'm glad you've read the eBook and hope you've learned something from it. Although it was written for the X-TERRA series, there are some techniques in there that should help just about anyone who enjoys the hobby. As to the ATPro.....I appreciate your question, and your comment that you are not making this post to start a war. I don't want to do that either. Both are excellent detectors. And folks are having remarkable success with each. But with that in mind, let's take a look at some functionality differences......

We recognize that higher frequencies are "more responsive" to lower conductive targets . And, higher frequencies are better suited for very small targets. Lower frequencies are better suited for higher conductive targets. And they are more responsive to larger, deeper targets. The ATPro operates at 15kHz, which works well for most jewelry and coins. But the X-TERRA has the option of operating at 3 kHz, 7.5kHz or 18.75 kHz, depending on the coil you are using. This allows you to set up your detector for specific types of targets. That is not to say all frequencies don't hit all target properties. They do. But the audio response that it provides on specific targets is much more defined, when able to adjust your operating frequency. The ATPro offers three response tones. The X-TERRA offers 28 audio tones, one for each notch segment. That allows me to "hunt by ear" without having to look at the screen to confirm a target response. And it isn't just the pitch of the tone that is provided....it is the manner in which that tone is produced by the detector. Harmonics, sharp burst, a whisper, solid blast..etc. With some practice, you can learn as much about a target by the sound of the tone, as you can the pitch.

Although the ATPro has more TID numbers, I don't rely solely on numbers. Especially when searching public areas for gold jewelry. As I'm sure you know, numbers don't tell the whole story.

There has been some discussion on this forum regarding recovery speed. In my experience, I'd say they are pretty equal to each other......and way ahead of many detectors. Especially when you are looking at reset speed in and amongst the trash. Both work well using a fairly rapid sweep speed. But I find the 705 to lock on to partially masked targets better than the ATPro, due to it being able to separate well at slower speeds. That doesn't mean both don't separate targets. But I've found the X-TERRA will lock onto good targets with more authority, in nasty trashy areas.


The X-TERRA offers many more settings for Sensitivity, allowing you to "fine tune" your detector for the site. Similarly, the X-TERRA offers more options to maintain the proper ground balance. (tracking, beach, tracking with offset) Even the ATPro manual suggests that running with a positive gb can enhance detection of small targets. And a negative offset can reduce the effects of hot rocks. But with the ATPro, the only way to do that is to set it and hope the ground conditions don't change. With the X-705, I can literally "set it and forget it" when implementing Tracking Ground Balance with an Offset.

The X-705 offers standard Pinpoint and Sizing Pinpoint. I find Sizing Pinpoint (and Prospecting mode) to be a great tool when isolating (and sizing) adjacent targets in trashy areas.

The ATPro can be used in water.....not so with the X-TERRA.

Again, both detectors are excellent choices, and each has it's following. I know you said you've hunted for 20 years.....but before I could make any recommendation to you, I'd want to know what you mean by "better" for parks and grounds? Target separation? Depth? Audio tones? Target ID? What coils do you hunt with? With some additional information, I will give you my honest opinion. Thanks again for your comments and question. JMHO HH Randy



You'll never know for sure......unless you dig it! HH "Digger"




After 45-years of detecting, and having owned dozens of different detectors, I've come to the conclusion that maintaining success in the field is largely dependent on three things..... choice of site, acquiring a proper skill set for the detector and the detector itself..... in that order. Research, practice and persistence. There are no substitutes.

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: pitcher
Date: February 01, 2014 05:54PM
Thanks Digger

Im looking for better depth, better Audio tones and better target Id, I have both coils for the AT, 5x8 and 8.5x11, better unmasking in the foil pulltab areas.

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Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: Digger
Date: February 01, 2014 06:48PM
Depth, tones and TID

When using coils of comparible size, I find the depth of detection to be very similar with the X-705 and ATPro. Larger coils will generally detect deeper than a smaller coil. I say "generally" because much depends on the coil design and soil matrix. But honestly, depth of detection doesn't always prove beneficial. Your part of the Country is similar to mine in that we haven't been settled as long as the folks back East or down South. My area wasn't settled until the mid-1850's, with no appreciable poplulation for a few years after that. As such, I've come to the conclusion that there are more old targets still hiding due to masking, than due to extreme depth. And for those areas, a quality mid-sized or small coil will produce many more "keeper" targets than a larger coil.

If you want monster depth, a Coiltek 15- inch All Terrain coils are probably the deepest seeking coils you can buy. Put one of those on the X-705 and you have a depth monster. But with the 15-inch diameter, you are covering a lot of ground with each sweep. And naturally, the more ground you cover, the greater the chances for adjacent targets. Then it becomes a matter of separation. Being able to work the coil slowly is a big help. And as I said in my previous response, I've found I can sweep the X-705 more slowly than the ATPro, with better results. But it is still tough to sweep that big of a coil in a congested area, and hope to pull that small ring amonst the trash. The only places I use the bigger coils is in open fields (former farmsteads) and athletic fields. Once I identify where the house was located, I switch off to a smaller coil. With that in mind, if I were going to suggest specific coils for the X-705, in places you indicate you will be hunting, they would be smaller DD coils than the 15-inchers. In my moderately mineralized soil, I can use the stock concentric with no problem. And frankly, I get more depth from it than I can the 10.5-inch DD. If I use a DD in parks or yards, I prefer to use either the elliptical DD of one of the 6 inch DD coils. The elliptical covers more ground....the 6-inch coils separate better. Since you are looking for jewelry and coins, if you decide to get a 705, I'd suggest you get what they call the Gold Pack....it comes with a stock 5X8 elliptical DD at 18.75kHz. Then if you want to add another coil, you might consider either the 6-inch HF Minelab coil, or the 6-inch LF Coiltek coil. Either will provide excellent depth and superior separation. And both will find anything metal. The HF coil is a bit better at identifying smaller gold jewelry. And the LF coil is better at pulling coins from places loaded with highly ferrous trash (nails etc).
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More information from tones........hands down.....the X-705 has one for each notch segment.

TID......you have more numbers on the ATPro than you do the X-705. However, as I mentioned, I hunt by ear. When I hear a signal that requires further investigation, I follow my three rules of consistency. (as written in the eBook). I can cover much more ground in a given period of time, by not having to look at a display to confirm a target, every time it beeps.

With the metallic content of pulltabs and the way they can be bent around, and the various alloys used in jewelry, no detector will be able to sort them all out. And although I am a big fan of Minelab detectors, that even applies to my ETRAC and CTX3030.

I would suggest that you could benefit from using an X-TERRA, for the reasons I've mentioned in these two posts. Of course, after having the success I have with mine, I am a bit biased. This may come as a surprise to you.......but if you are comforatable with your ATPro and you've had success with it, you might consider keeping it and buying the small sniper coil. Like I said, it is a good detector. Keeping it and getting a smaller coil would allow you to get in beteen the trash much better than the coils you currently have. You'll still have to rely on the TID to differentiate targets. You still won't have Tracking or GB Offset. And you aren't going to get any more tones. But buying an accessory coil is a lot cheaper than buying a new detector. That is a decision only you can make.

If you do get an X-TERRA, I don't think you'll be disappointed in your choice. Just make sure that, if you get a new one, buy the Gold Pack. As I said, it comes with the HF DD coil. And for the places you hunt, it might be the only coil you'll need. JMHO

If you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask. HH Randy



You'll never know for sure......unless you dig it! HH "Digger"




After 45-years of detecting, and having owned dozens of different detectors, I've come to the conclusion that maintaining success in the field is largely dependent on three things..... choice of site, acquiring a proper skill set for the detector and the detector itself..... in that order. Research, practice and persistence. There are no substitutes.

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: pitcher
Date: February 01, 2014 10:22PM
Thanks Digger,

Great info and gives me some thing to think about, I dont use my AT much for coin hunting the tones just dont work for me, I use it around old houses with lots of nails and for water hunting.
I hunt by ear alot and there are alot of good detectors that just dont work for my hearing, nothing against any metal detector made I just like a detector that talks to me in away that I can understand.
Think I might give the 705 a try and see how it works, theres not many Detecting shops here in Utah so even hearing one in a store wont happen.

Thanks for all your help

Randy

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: pecor
Date: February 05, 2014 09:03AM
Hello Digger, or anyone that can help me out :please: Does any one have a PFD of this book? I have tried time after time to download this book through MineLab, I register like requested, then they e-mail you a link to click on, Problem is I never get a link sent? And it's not in junk folder. The strange thing is they e-mail me a news letter type ad every month?? screwy Thanks! Jay jaydubay@msn.com

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Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: Old Longhair
Date: February 05, 2014 10:06AM
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pecor
Hello Digger, or anyone that can help me out :please: Does any one have a PFD of this book? I have tried time after time to download this book through MineLab, I register like requested, then they e-mail you a link to click on, Problem is I never get a link sent? And it's not in junk folder. The strange thing is they e-mail me a news letter type ad every month?? screwy Thanks! Jay jaydubay@msn.com
Check your e-mail. :thumbup:



Ingham County, Michigan

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: pecor
Date: February 11, 2014 09:40PM
PM sent thanks

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: pecor
Date: February 18, 2014 03:57AM
Great tips here Digger Thanks. Jay

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Posted by: Digger
Date: February 18, 2014 05:24PM
You're welcolme Jay. Thanks for the comments, and thanks to OLH for sending the file! I've contacted Minelab to let them know there seems to have been a problem with downloads. HH Randy



You'll never know for sure......unless you dig it! HH "Digger"




After 45-years of detecting, and having owned dozens of different detectors, I've come to the conclusion that maintaining success in the field is largely dependent on three things..... choice of site, acquiring a proper skill set for the detector and the detector itself..... in that order. Research, practice and persistence. There are no substitutes.

Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: dakota63
Date: February 18, 2014 09:00PM
Digger, thank you for your hard work and the ebook. It has been a great help to me as I am only a year into detecting now. I have some great finds but have figured out how to post pictures of the right size yet. Keep s saying there to large.

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Re: :minelab: the eBook, "Understanding your X-TERRA", is available FREE :minelab:
Posted by: Digger
Date: February 18, 2014 10:08PM
Thanks for the kind words. Glad the book has helped you. To post a picture, you'll need to reduce the size to be no larger than 420KB. To do that, I run mine though a photo program in Office. If you don't use Office or don't have a specific photo program, you can find several free photo-shop type programs online. HH Randy



You'll never know for sure......unless you dig it! HH "Digger"




After 45-years of detecting, and having owned dozens of different detectors, I've come to the conclusion that maintaining success in the field is largely dependent on three things..... choice of site, acquiring a proper skill set for the detector and the detector itself..... in that order. Research, practice and persistence. There are no substitutes.

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