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Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: detectingMO
Date: November 03, 2015 02:07PM
Ran it last Friday for several hours. Factory default setup feel about 90% like version 6 8000. IMO version 5/6 already had some "digital" feel compared to the v4 units. If you didn't have a lot of time on version 4 you may not notice much of a change.

Performance seems identical in ground in air test. ID is the same although I feel clad dimes are at 85 now instead of 84 in my soil and copper penny is consistent at 83 ID. This is nice as before they overlapped a bit. The last 1-2" of nickel ID is bouncy now. Still solid to 6" in my soils. But this changed some on version 6 as well. The version 4 was uncharacteristically accurate on nickels at depth. EMI is once again a little more improved in default deep 1 process verses version 6. It still has some noise when digging but not swinging. It feels like possibly the gain dial still adds threshold in disc like on version 6 although not advertised as such. You can still push it into the circuit noise for sure. It's not limited like an F44. In fact, I don't feel it's like an F44 at all other than it's a bit more digital feeling now. Omega 8500 default recovery, ID, and depth are MUCH better than it. IMO

Disc ID now has decimal place. It does make the unit feel different because the number format is different and the decimal place shifts the large numbers off center. But it's not a big deal. I kind of like it. I'm betting in time this will prove valuable.

Notch volume is really nice. You really don't need to disc or notch with it. I'm not sure if having a target silent vs disc/notched out improves anything but it's nice to still see ID visuals without audio on targets that could be trash. Especially with the multiple target ID indication now. Trash targets will typically light up multple categories/notches for secondary ID's vs a good solid coin/ring will mostly be just the primary notch/category lit up. You lose some of that visual if you disc/notch out categories.

deep 0 or fast mode is just like F75 enhanced FA mode. Super fast audio recovery. Noisier for sure and less depth. I can still hit a 6" buried dime with it on though. 8500 seems to separate a little better than the 8000 by default and this mode really makes it a strong contender in super trash and nails.

deep 2 pretty much eliminates power interference. Without EMI around doesn't seem to gain much on depth or slow recovery too much. Maybe more like F75 9.1 dst on vs 9.0. Not necessarily boost process but less emi typically means you can run it hotter and get a boost. Deep 3 does feel like a little depth boost though it's advertised as just a different EMI filter. Either way, it's very nice to have options. EMI majorly improved

All metal is best ran in deep 1 IMO. Super smooth threshold. It's very deep. you get ID in AM (without the decimal) but you get detection much beyond the ID depth. It not longer is just a option like the old omega but a legitimate hunt mode. The 8500 has the potential to be a great relic hunter now. It will take a while for that to catch on though but once a well know relic guy figures it out we'll hear about it. When you change the all metal tone it affect pinpoint too. very nice since I've always found the 8000 pin point annoying sounding. A2-A3 work great for me. The 8500 remembers all settings besides ground balance and backlight so it's nice to set and forget.

Backlight is a nice added feature for those that need it. Too bad it's red. I know it looks cool but blue/white makes more sense. :p

the 5" coil and 10" seem to perform a bit better than before. I noticed more with the 5". Seems to have a little more punch than before and better separation.

Ground balance offset is nice feature for those that use it. I've never really found a need. It will off set the ground grab only. If you manual set the gb that's what it will be ran at.

Housing is same as the non-camo g2+ and F19. Rubber plugger for 1/4" headphone jack and coil connector on back moved up a bit for easier access and better angle. New F-series coils fit easily now and are nice cheap options for the concentric lovers. My favorite of those is the 7" found on the F11 and Digitek

It's definitely a more rounded unit now. Now if it just had the ability to toggle to 19.2khz and become a G2+ with Omega features that would be nice. Or better yet, both frequencies at once.

I have a walk though and a few trash target digs up on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOb5mgUSZfI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnbgV-O1W8

I'm sure I've missed some thoughts. Been a long weekend. But the Omega 8000 is my favorite detector and most experience so I'm holding this 8500 to a high standard. If I had to get just one I would get the 8500. The new features benefit detecting much more than some loss in analog/smoothness that made me fall in love with the original. If you already have a lot of detectors I don't know that getting a 8500 over a 8000 does much for you in detector for a strict purpose like coin hunting. But if you have a couple or just one it a much better option than the 8000. Of course the 8000 is done so those with a closet full may want to hold on to it.



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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/03/2015 02:14PM by detectingMO.

Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: Hightone
Date: November 03, 2015 04:14PM
Good video's, as always Craig. Lots of impressive features. The conductivity of the small bullet would seem like a deep coin though. Great job. I like the 8500.:thumbup:



Coin and Jewelry hunter.

BH Land Ranger Pro
BH Quick Draw Pro
Deteknix XPointer

Have owned different Garretts,
Fishers, Tesoros, Whites and MineLab
in the past 12 years.

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Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: mrwilburino
Date: November 03, 2015 10:24PM
Craig, good write up and videos. Thank you for the time and effort you put in to keep us informed.

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Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: detectingMO
Date: November 04, 2015 09:36AM
Thanks, I try the best I can time willing. I have 4 kids, a full time bill paying job, and the detector business so it can be tough to do all I'd like. Bill_S should have much more detailed testing and hunt info and videos soon.



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Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: horikindaguy
Date: November 04, 2015 10:22AM
fantastic write-up Craig....

for me (since I have a G2+) the one thing that appeals is the potential of the AM with ID....kind of a 'sleeper' potential there.....

and you're correct, a merging of the 2 machines capabilities would be the cat's meow....


cheers...

Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: Hightone
Date: November 04, 2015 12:02PM
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horikindaguy
fantastic write-up Craig....

for me (since I have a G2+) the one thing that appeals is the potential of the AM with ID....kind of a 'sleeper' potential there.....

and you're correct, a merging of the 2 machines capabilities would be the cat's meow....


cheers...

The AM mode with ID is the cats meow. I never experienced it with any other detector I owned. So really didn't use AM that much. But the LRP was my first with that feature. And it makes the AM mode exceptional when you're in areas that are not trashy. If the 8500 has a threshold tone as well as numeric ID in AM, I would think that that would be even better.



Coin and Jewelry hunter.

BH Land Ranger Pro
BH Quick Draw Pro
Deteknix XPointer

Have owned different Garretts,
Fishers, Tesoros, Whites and MineLab
in the past 12 years.

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Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: Tom Slick
Date: November 04, 2015 12:12PM
It must have a threshold tone in AM as it's the Knob on the right of the faceplate.



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42 years detecting, ex White's dealer.
Current Detectors:
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Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: pasttom
Date: November 05, 2015 12:57PM
Craig, can you flag Bill's videos when they come out in case we miss them otherwise?
Thanks,
Tom



Pastor Tom
7 Minelabs, 3 Makros and a few others - rebuilding inventory
under the watchful eyes of my Welsh Corgi Sadie

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Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: Cal_Cobra
Date: November 07, 2015 02:36AM
Thanks for the videos Craig. I dig the red LED backlight!

Looking forward to seeing more in the field hunt vidoes from folks as these trickle out.

Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: eSCANZ
Date: November 07, 2015 04:08PM
Thanks for that Craig - Certainly a truckload of information on the 8500 - Liked your vids - cheers ;)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/07/2015 04:10PM by eSCANZ.

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Re: Omega 8500 thoughts
Posted by: juit
Date: April 26, 2017 08:28PM
thanks for the videos!!! I really appreciate it, what are your hunting settings?



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