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T2 turn on settings
Posted by: Herb Jones
Date: July 08, 2017 12:40AM
Just wondering why the T2 starts with the settings like it does? why not @ zero, or why not maxed out? Seems most here crank the sensitivity until it becomes unstable or simply max it out and run with the chatter... is there a reason why sens@ 60 would be the initial start up point?

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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: REVIER
Date: July 08, 2017 09:56AM
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Herb Jones
Just wondering why the T2 starts with the settings like it does? why not @ zero, or why not maxed out? Seems most here crank the sensitivity until it becomes unstable or simply max it out and run with the chatter... is there a reason why sens@ 60 would be the initial start up point?

Simple...These are the out of the box settings the guys at the factory, Dave Johnson the designer and John Gardner the programmer that I know put out the F75's and probably the entire platform, decided would be the optimum turn on and go settings for the most common amount of places all around the country to get the most stable and deepest performance with the best ID's.
In normal soil most everywhere they should work well, in challenging mineralized dirt or areas with other problems like intense trash or iron tweaking these settings can yield even greater success.
The F70 still starts out at 60, the older F75's did too but I believe the new DST units start out higher now at like 80 or 90 or thereabouts...because they can.

There are people like me that tweak these things to death but there are many others that don't or might not want to so these primary settings gives them the greatest chance of success.



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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: Herb Jones
Date: July 08, 2017 12:02PM
i assumed that to
be the case. thanks

Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: chuck, ky
Date: July 08, 2017 05:43PM
It doesn't sound like the optimum setting to have the disc. at 10 and the tones at 1 when you will be picking up almost every target in the ground but every signal will sound the same. Optimum would be with the tones at 2 or 3 so the iron stands out from the rest of the targets.

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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: REVIER
Date: July 08, 2017 07:23PM
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chuck, ky
It doesn't sound like the optimum setting to have the disc. at 10 and the tones at 1 when you will be picking up almost every target in the ground but every signal will sound the same. Optimum would be with the tones at 2 or 3 so the iron stands out from the rest of the targets.

I disagree...in my case.
I hunt with disc at 1 or 0, and I monotone, on my F70 anyway, there is a difference I can hear in that single tone on many targets and I want to see and hear all signals.
I have trained my brain to be my best discriminator and I can pick out good targets even on that low or no disc.
2 tones or multitones are fine and I have used them for a long time but I find more in monotone or all metal nowadays.
For most however, I agree, these would be the wrong settings for many if they were set that way.
Just different strokes for different folks...there is no optimum setting for everyone because we are all different.



"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 15 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and 4 V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2017 07:31PM by REVIER.

Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: Herb Jones
Date: July 08, 2017 08:08PM
i understand about no primary optimal setting for everywhere and everyone, its just always seemed odd to
me that it starts in the middle instead of everythibg zeroed out...

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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: lytle78
Date: July 09, 2017 01:57PM
T2 is a relic machine at heart. The default settings reflect that.



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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: Rob in (Ca)
Date: July 09, 2017 03:09PM
If your just cherry picking coins with little iron the 3 tones works fine ......But if your working in & around iron the one (1) Tone (mono) tone should be used



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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: chuck, ky
Date: July 09, 2017 03:39PM
when I cherry pick for coins I just use 1 tone but I set the disc. high enough to eliminate most of the trash. If I go for nickles I use 3 tones to get the high tone on nickles and medium on aluminum. I just don't understand how having the iron sound just like everything else would be the best setting. I would think 3 tones you would be able to pick the iron out of the coins and other targets just by sound alone without having to constantly watch the meter to see what the readings are.

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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: Rob in (Ca)
Date: July 09, 2017 04:38PM
I have Many Targets in one area in my front Yard, from zinc's, dimes, Coppers, Quarters pull tabs and many nails all mix in one 6 foot by 8 foot area

The T2 in (one tone) and low disc settings, will separate all those Targets like a Lazer Beam. It's Mind Blowing, But in 3 tone it sounds like a Arcade Gallery at Disneyland LOL.

Just to many Targets to close together, as 3 Tone just can't handle it.

My Normal Type of hunting is Sports fields & not in a heavy Targets like my front Yard, so I normally hunt in all Metal or 2+



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2017 04:46PM by Rob in (Ca).

Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: chuck, ky
Date: July 09, 2017 04:46PM
In 1 tone you get the same signal for each target, in 3 tone you get low for iron, medium for gold and zinc and high for nickels and other coins, you just chose which you want to dig or investigate the signal by the different tones.

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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: Rob in (Ca)
Date: July 09, 2017 05:13PM
Yes that works great, if the Targets are spread out , which under normal hunting conditions is true.

3 tone works fantastic, in a (very trashy iron site) 1 tone, you will get all the goodies others left behind.

One of The T2's selling points, is it's Lighting Fast Recovery speed, Maybe that's why The T2 defaults on one tone ?



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2017 05:15PM by Rob in (Ca).

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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: dfmike
Date: July 09, 2017 06:14PM
I don't have a T2 but I'M curious about the tones schemes on the 13 kHz Fisher/Tek machines. If you set it at one tone in a trashy area where ferrous targets are present, can you hear a difference between ferrous and non ferrous targets, any difference at all ? If not, and ferrous items are not desired you have to constantly check the visual ID to have an idea if it is ferrous or not ?

I would imagine that at least 2 tones would be needed to separate ferrous from non ferrous targets like my F5 in that mode ?



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Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: REVIER
Date: July 10, 2017 07:42AM
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dfmike
I don't have a T2 but I'M curious about the tones schemes on the 13 kHz Fisher/Tek machines. If you set it at one tone in a trashy area where ferrous targets are present, can you hear a difference between ferrous and non ferrous targets, any difference at all ? If not, and ferrous items are not desired you have to constantly check the visual ID to have an idea if it is ferrous or not ?

I would imagine that at least 2 tones would be needed to separate ferrous from non ferrous targets like my F5 in that mode ?


Because of that one tone there really is no difference on the actual tone frequency itself that you can hear over non ferrous targets.
2F with that low iron growl is great for that along with the other higher tone choices if you happen to have your disc low enough for iron to come in at all.
However even though I look at the screen most of the time when hunting in monotone, my disc tone setting of choice most of the time, there actually is a slight difference in the tones I can hear between falsing, lots of different sizes and types of iron and many kinds of trash and actual good targets like coins.
Not on all trash and iron but the bulk of it.

On better targets that I want to actually go after and dig that one tone is better, sounds a bit more solid somehow, sharper on the ends...just different.
This is hard to explain and after using monotone for the last two years or so I have just started to notice this difference so I guess it takes a lot of practice and listening to thousands of targets to do this.
I know I heard that difference recently on a few hunts using maxed out disc and high thresh into the positive numbers so other settings might just make a difference on that actual tone and my ability to discern this distinction but I don't know.
I do know that because with these settings I did notice the difference and I was able to revert to my old way of hunting like I did using multi tones and not even look at the screen unless I heard a good tone that sounded better and piqued my interest.
I got a lot of false and not so great sounding trash and iron high falsing which some of the trash I dug just to be sure, but on every one of those more unique sharp and solid sounding repeating signals I heard without looking at the screen I dug and every one was a coin found in a trashy iron filled lawn where there are very few good signals left after hunting here for two weeks.

I also have probably several thousand hours experience listening to single tone Tesoros where I learned there is a big difference in that one tone swinging over all kinds of targets so that probably helped in all this.

These units have screens but the audio component is still a huge thing with them, ALL of the tone choices plus all metal, and both features can be a great asset to all hunters that utilize them together.



"What if doing the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?”
F70, F2, Compadre, Mojave, Judge2 - 2017....Clad, 15 silver targets including a freaking Barber quarter, a beautiful walker and 4 V nickels...
Plus other cool stuff.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2017 07:49AM by REVIER.

Re: T2 turn on settings
Posted by: Herb Jones
Date: July 10, 2017 10:00AM
i have a couple of monotone machines that preform excellently. when i want a monotone machine i run those, and they seperate trashy area targets, arguably just as good or better than most machines on the market. for me, the multi tone feature as well as the vid were two of the selling points for the T2.... i picked one up to add features to my arsenal of detectors. had i wanted to simply hunt in monotone, i could have done that with the Vaquero or the B2uMax. since i own several detectors i use them all to help visualize whats happening in the search field. i typically run the tesoros and nab all of the good solid tones, and then finish up with the T2 in multi tone. i find the varying sounds give me more info on those questionable borderline hits , and its that extra bit that helps me decide whether or not to dig...
i recently started sweeping the entire area with the clean sweep coil. as i locate nice targets i drop poker chips( red for great signals and white for questionable hits), but i dont dig at this point, i am just sweeping, covering the entire patch (that i plan on hunting that day) and getting a feel for the layout of the target field. once i have my chips out (doesn't take long with the clean sweep) i then switch to a tesoro with a small concentric and go back and work the red chips by digging a few, just to get a sense of coin dates, and the age range of the field. i work my way eventually to all of the chips. finally i follow up by running the T2 in multi tone, and its that extra info that helps me decide on the iffy ones. so i pretty much sweep an area three different ways with three different machines and coils. i dont think i am missing much with this method, and this method is no better than any other i suppose... i try to get every drop out of my hard earned money, because i dont have a lot of it...., so i use all of them to hunt with.
what the T2 adds to the equation enhances the data i'm processing. in fact i find myself running delta pitch more frequently as of late, simply to try to better discern what those iffy white poker chip targets are trying to tell me... it works for me, but then again i may be loosing my mind... but i digress... the whole point of this was to better understand why the T2 had those default settings instead of not powering up at zero like most everything else in the world. i may run at that power up setting next hunt i suspect it would be fine for coin shooting, i havent found an extremely deep coin ever, so i doubt maximized tuning the T2 s helping me at... my coins arent that deep where i hunt. but for me multi tone is the preferred method with the T2. my vaquero or B2uMax both have excellent seperation, and provide all of the monotone info i need. i feel that following up with another monotone wouldnt help much.

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