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Re: Del, yes, the first release of G2's scrolled out
Posted by: D&P-OR
Date: February 16, 2011 08:38AM
Monte-----Is that the only change made on the G2 since the first production models came out? (just the change in the "read out" from gold bug to G2)------Was there any other "upgrade" made on the G2?------Thanks, Del



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Del, right now I have to say it's as much
Posted by: Monte
Date: February 16, 2011 08:54AM
a mystery to me as it is to everyone else.

I have had a LOT of PM's and e-mails in the last 4 months asking about all the version differences and the Gold Bug (original), Gold Bug (current), Gold Bug SE, Gold Bug Pro and G2 differences. All with regard to VCO audio or not, hitting well on silver coins, etc.

I plan on getting all of those answers taken care of, soon, because I want to/need to know myself. Plus I need to send my Gold Bug scrolling G2 in to get the upgrade on the read-out. Doing seminars or monthly detector group meetings, or talking with dealers they wonder "What's Up?", so I'll get that fix. And, I trust, the answers to all these questions. Then I can help answer some questions for others.

What I can tell you is that I know several people who acquired an earlier Gold Bug model, not sure which version, and most have only positive things to say about them. A dealer friend has, the last time I looked, two or three Gold Bug SE's in his inventory. The SE is simply a sticker on the box they were shipped in. On Friday I might stop by and see is I can note any real performance differences. the one I checked worked OK back in October or early November, but I'll check the other boxed units.

One thing I do know is that the G2 prototype I have has been performing quite well.

Monte


Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: jackintexas
Date: February 16, 2011 05:15PM
We know David J. reads some or most of these posts. David, would you please step in and clear this thing up for us.....Jack

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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: February 16, 2011 11:55PM
Guys --

I need to answer several posts.

morelic55 -- yes, I COULD go buy a brand new one. Problem for me is, I want to get a used one -- it would only be a backup coin/jewlerly machine for me (primary machine an F70) 99.9% of the time. I will use it that other .1% of the time on an occasional gold prospecting trip with a friend of mine who has several CO gold claims. Otherwise, the thing may gather alot of dust. For me, spending $650 on a brand new unit, to collect dust much of the time, is too much. There are deals on used SEs to be had, but I need to understand this so I know what I'm getting.

D&P-OR and tabman -- YES, Richard at Backwoods Detector Sales is GREAT to deal with. He is who I bought my F70 from. And yes, he DID sell that Gold Bug SE with the 4.0 upgrade. I was interested, but it sold quickly.

Monte -- when you find those answers about all the Gold Bug machines, I would LOVE to hear them. There IS problem with some (at least) of the early units. I know of folks who could only air-test a quarter to 6". I know of another person who has told me he hasn't found a quarter deeper than 3" (but hits gold and nickels MUCH better). Many MANY stories of bad air-testing on silver (or clad) coins. This was only, though, I think, on the Cabelas version 1 units, and at least SOME 2.9 units. I know for a fact (from a call to First Texas) that there WERE silver issues (couldn't see silver very deep at all) but they have been fixed, according to this person. His advice was "buy a Pro, it will see the silver." Again, yes, I CAN buy a new Pro, but what about those of us who already own a Fisher unit, and want a backup detector or occasional "gold" machine, and want to buy used? How do we know what we are getting?

I am very frustrated that First Texas will NOT clear this up for consumers. They, of course, want us all to buy the Pros, with the $649 price tag -- which I can understand. But, there are still dealers with 2.9 stock, selling at $499, and used units have sold as low as $400 or so. I feel they owe it to us to give us the scoop -- since they mistakenly put out units with a problem with silver. Hey, if I buy a 1.0 version, and the VCO is different, or it does not have manual ground balance, FINE. Those things are tweaks and changes which happened along the production process; each "new version" of a product has certain changes and upgrades. But, these "bells and whistles" of a unit are something you can see, from version to version. If you want a unit with manual balance, and the earlier units don't, that's something easy to watch for. But if there was a PERFORMANCE problem, on silver (and given that these machines are marketed as "multi-purpose machines), then that is NOT something you, as a consumer, have any way of knowing. To me, it should be something where they make an announcement that says ANYONE with a 1.0 version or 2.9 version of the machine, and can't air-test a quarter beyond "X" inches, then send it in for a free upgrade. THEN you have taken care of the situation, THEN those of us buying used can purchase with confidence, and overall First Texas/Fisher does themselves a favor, in terms of reputation. It's like this...if I want to buy a new sports car, and the 2009 model does not have power windows, but the 2010 version does, and I want power windows, I need to buy the one with power windows. I can't buy the '09 and then gripe about the lack of power windows, and expect the dealer to install them for me. But, on the other hand, if I want to buy a new sports car, and the 2009 and 2010 models both say 400 HP, and I buy a 2009 -- and unbeknownst to me, the 2009s have an engine computer problem that only lets them acquire 250 HP, then how would I, as a consumer, be "responsible" for this? The car manufacturer IMO owes it to each purchaser of the 2009 model car -- whether they bought it new, bought it used, or had it given to them by their buddy, to do a free fix on the computer to get that car up to the 400 HP it was supposed to have.

Monte, please, when you get the answers, I'd love to hear them. I DO want a Gold Bug, I DO want to have it perform well on gold AND silver, and I KNOW there are SOME versions of the unit where owners have testified that they will do just that -- good on both gold AND silver. I have heard RAVE reviews on the machines that are working according to the way Fisher designed them to work. I just want to know that if I buy, I can be sure I will get one of these machines that do both gold and silver well, as was intended by Fisher (that "multi-purpose" thing again). And, finally, if I get one and it does NOT air-test properly on silver or clad, I like to think Fisher would repair it at their cost -- it WAS their mistake. They could stand up here, boost their reputation, and really give customers the confidence to deal with them in the future. Or, they could keep quiet and lose customers, and take a reputation hit, as those of us on these online forums learn of the issues. It's frustrating, even for a person who has never owned ANYTHING but a First Texas machine, and stands by them loyally.

Steve



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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: hershey1
Date: February 17, 2011 01:11AM
sgoss66: I do not know you but I know if you get your hands on a G-2 which machine will wind up in the closet. Good luck with your choice and HH.:goodnight:

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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: BH_Landstar_
Date: February 17, 2011 02:44AM
Steve (sgoss66), I can tell you that your F70 will be used much less once you get the Gold Bug or G2, heck, my F5 is now collecting dust and that was my main unit til I got the Gold Bug (Cabela's model with version 3) works like the Pro model.

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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: February 17, 2011 04:28AM
Well hershey1 and BH_Landstar, you are two people who just said the exact same thing. Very, very interesting.

The reason I said that I'd use a Bug or G2 as a backup, is because I am REALLY concerned about the depth on silver, from the feedback from some who have used them. The places I hunt here have very, very little shallower silver, in my experience, (not unusual, I know), but also generally bad soil -- a double whammy. I have many, many hours pounding the oldest local parks I have (around 1900-ish), mostly with Bounty Hunter machines. I have never found a silver coin, and only a few wheats. I gave up on the BH machines ONLY because they would not go deep enough in my soil. I found alot of clad with them, and really like the machines, but they just wouldn't see deep enough. That's why I switched first from a SharpShooter II to a Time Ranger, and then recently, sprung for the even more sensitive F70. I can air-test a dime to 12" with the F70, and a quarter over 14". Clearly, I won't even approach that depth in my red-clay soil here, but hopefully with some more hours on this unit, I'll find a piece of silver or two, eventually, hiding in the 6-10" depth range. My fear is that if I get the G-2 or Gold Bug, that the silver depth issue that I have heard about with at least SOME of the machines will bite me hard, and I'll be back where I was with the BH machines (in terms of depth). In other words -- with a Gold Bug or G2, I am concerned that while I'd have a killer on shallow coins, and a machine better than anything I've ever used -- in iron trash, and on nickels/gold jewelry/gold nuggets, I fear it would be a machine that is blind to the deeper silver, in my soil type. I know depth is NOT everything, and the fast recovery speed and separation/iron see-though would WAY exceed my BH machines, so I'm not saying they would not be an improvement over the BH units (or even my F70 in some ways). It is strictly a depth-on-silver coins issue that has me concerned. Please understand I'm not trying to exasperate anyone here, just really trying to understand before making any more purchases.

That's why I've been making these excessive posts about the "silver issues" on some of the Gold Bugs. I'm just trying to fully understand. So much conflicting info; some (like you two) telling me my F70 would absolutely collect dust if I get one; others I trust with earlier versions of the GBs saying "cannot air test a quarter beyond 6 inches" and "have never found a quarter deeper than 3 inches in the ground," stuff like that. Heck, even my BH SharpShooter would hit one at 7" in an air test.

BOTTOM LINE --

To spring for one of these machines, I simply need to know that they WILL hit deeper silver, OR if not, that there is a fix from Fisher for my machine to ensure that it will. If I could get testimony from some folks here to tell me that an 7-8" dime and an 8-9" quarter would hit, and ID semi-well, in red clay soil, on the Bug or G2, I'd buy one. Period. I just simply fear taking the step "backwards" to where I was with a BH machine, in terms of deep coins. I would definitely settle for less than "world class" depth, and know that a 19 kHz machine is not designed to nail deep silver. But 8-9" I'd be satisfied with, in my red clay. Some of the earlier Bugs, based on user testimony, simply would NOT even APPROACH this. Do the new and/or upgraded ones do so? That is the question that remains unanswered in my mind, and that keeps me from getting one so far.

Thanks guys,

Steve



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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: morelic55
Date: February 17, 2011 06:14AM
If the GBSE or G2 work out to be slouches in the high conductor department, so be it. If deep silver is your forte.. then maybe an Etrac would suit you. Sometimes you just can't squeeze what ya want out of some machines. I do know that the 19kHz platform that First Texas has now is by far the best I've used for low conductors hiding in iron. Since I'm strictly a relic hunter by nature, I really could care less about coins and crusing parks and wading thru all the modern trash. To be honest, when I did coinshoot, I rarely found any coins deeper than 6-7 inches in my area anyways. I do know that the G2 will hit coin size buttons at at least 10 inches, that is the deepest I have found one in a field that had been plowed over time.......MO



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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: JohnTN
Date: February 24, 2011 08:43AM
If your ground is highly mineralized like it is here in Tennessee. I think you will we impressed with the depth on silver with the Goldbug. I have the 29 version and I find it will hold it's own with my Etrac on deep silver. In fact I have gone behind my Etrac with the Goldbug and dug many silvers I had missed due to masking. The deepest coin I have ever found with the Etrac was a 11" Barber dime --- with the Goldbug a 8" Mercury dime. I hope this helps.

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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: tabman
Date: February 24, 2011 08:56AM
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JohnTN
If your ground is highly mineralized like it is here in Tennessee. I think you will we impressed with the depth on silver with the Goldbug. I have the 29 version and I find it will hold it's own with my Etrac on deep silver. In fact I have gone behind my Etrac with the Goldbug and dug many silvers I had missed due to masking. The deepest coin I have ever found with the Etrac was a 11" Barber dime --- with the Goldbug a 8" Mercury dime. I hope this helps.

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Re: I've tried reading posts, forgive me if this GB SE question has been answered...
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: February 24, 2011 02:39PM
Hey JohnTN -- That's some impressive information (8" Merc dime). How did it hit on the VDI? From what I hear, even with my F70 an 8" dime will likely ID as iron (haven't tested one that deep in the ground, yet...) And, very impressive about it going behind an Etrac, and not only "holding its own" in terms of depth, but also finding coins which were partially masked, that the Etracs could NOT find.

I've made up my mind that I am getting a Gold Bug, or G2. The folks with them, seem to swear by them. The units which had the silver issues and were reported to Fisher have apparently been fixed, and these fixed units (and the ones produced with the appropriate calibration) are apparently better on silver than even would be expected from a 19kHz machine. If they can hit an 8" dime, that's PLENTY deep for me. Just a matter of saving the cash, now!

Thanks to everyone who helped me out here. I am ready to purchase, with confidence!

Steve



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