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Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: August 05, 2017 06:26AM
Yesterday after work I was using the Deus in the back yard using 8kHz and getting what I thought was a pretty good hit.
It was coming up in the 50's. When I dug it up it was a flat piece of what looks like aluminum wrapper about an inch by an inch.

Anyone here run into these and what do you do about them? I'm afraid if I notch it out I might lose something good.

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: sprchng
Date: August 05, 2017 07:15AM
You took the right approach , dig 'em , might be gold ring underneath and if nothing else , you leave the ground cleaner when you are done.
Modern trash is not the friend of the Deus

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: pplinker
Date: August 05, 2017 08:02AM
That's aggravating when you get your hopes up and it is just a piece of foil. Happens to me with old shreds of zinc canning lids from the 30's. But back to the foil, I've noticed some of the fast food catchup packets are foil that I always thought were plastic.



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Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: undrpar
Date: August 05, 2017 08:22AM
i gave up on gold unless im on a beach.old home sites i dig all,beach i dig all,everywhere else..i concentrate on coin signals..especially this time of year when the ground is hard..

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: sprchng
Date: August 05, 2017 10:02AM
I have actually had decent luck on gold using the Deus in the dirt ,,,, maybe 6 or 8 rings in the last couple of years.
I usually hunt in 12khz and dig most "round" solid signals in 40s and low 50s.
I try to concentrate on venues that see specific uses or events and don't get littered with as much modern trash so digging everything is usually shallow and not that intense. If it's an area with lots of aluminum screw cap or old steel bottle caps I get out the FBS machines. Deus requires too much additional effort in those types of areas.:thumbdown:

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: August 05, 2017 12:07PM
Tony,
A few comments.

Deus ID on targets.
Can it be helpful?
Yes

Can it be hurtful?
Yes

One of the reason why I like the horseshoe shading on targets.
If I see half a horseshoe or more,,,Deus ID more believable.
Now if I am getting broken like tone,,,might diss the ID and dig.

You see less than half of horseshoe,,,,be on guard for Deus lying to you.
Now, it is very possible to get a target,,,using say reactvity 3,, and target might give shady ID,,,but by lower reactvity and sweeping, ID become more true or exact.

Knowing when to call the Deus' bluff= learning the detector.

Now, don't forget about your normalization setting of OFF.
This can help a person out on dig or no dig decsions.

Lower freqs using no normalization should drive junk metal targets (lower conductive) lower vs higher conductive targets like copper and silver.

A user can experiment with on top of the ground testing and see this.
Even 8khz can smoke some of these Junkers out.

And then there is tone nuance.
For example,,a hot wheels cars tone wise likely won't sound as good as a clad dime will.

Cheers.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2017 12:08PM by squirrel1.

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: August 05, 2017 12:23PM
More info Tony for you.

Now you will see where some folks will say I run in 4khz or 8khz,,,just so I don't hear the lowest of conductors like small foil.
Is this above true in all cases??
No

Now on maybe mid depth and deeper lower conductors like small foil moreso,,but shallower here can pose a problem for new Deus user.
What happens is the Deus freq like 4 or 8khz is not so resonant on the smallest of foil for example, but the Deus does pick it up tonally,,,but detector programming a lot of times will throw this lower conductive target to the higher or highest side when it comes to Meter TID.

Now, wonder if I was out detecting and this happened to me,,,wonder what would happen if I toggled over to say 18khz and the signal got stronger???
Might be telling me lower conductive target,,probably small.
Now, iron tone here can help too.
Why?
If you don't hear any iron tone,,this would be telling user the target as far as what's uder coil is solo sitting.
If you heard iron tone encroaching nonferrous tone,,,this would be telling user of Deus,,,beware of target,,,and in this case 18khz could indeed be picking up the higher conductor better than the lower freqs of 4 or 8khz.
Why?
Because 18khz is the better separator/unmasker.
So here as far as which freq is doing better could be fooling a Deus user.

Gotta be listening to iron tones. When trying to do select digging.
Now if you are digging everything nonferrous,,,not important

Now a Deus user can study when sweeping target, and continue to pivot around target watching meter and listening to tone.
With time,Deus user will start to notice a pattern develop as far as Junkers vs the good stuff.
Now, is any of this info above,,,is it or can it be absolutely absolute for using Deus to make dig or no dig decisions?
Nope.

But in sites with modern trash,,,using the above can up your odds per holes dug on the good stuff vs the Junkers..

Btw if a new Deus user will get some pieces of foil various sizes and a few spent 22 short or long rifle cases.
And bury at different depths and experiment,,will help.



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2017 12:42PM by squirrel1.

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Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: August 05, 2017 08:06PM
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squirrel1
Tony,
A few comments.

Deus ID on targets.
Can it be helpful?
Yes

Can it be hurtful?
Yes

One of the reason why I like the horseshoe shading on targets.
If I see half a horseshoe or more,,,Deus ID more believable.
Now if I am getting broken like tone,,,might diss the ID and dig.

You see less than half of horseshoe,,,,be on guard for Deus lying to you.
Now, it is very possible to get a target,,,using say reactvity 3,, and target might give shady ID,,,but by lower reactvity and sweeping, ID become more true or exact.

Knowing when to call the Deus' bluff= learning the detector.

Now, don't forget about your normalization setting of OFF.
This can help a person out on dig or no dig decsions.

Lower freqs using no normalization should drive junk metal targets (lower conductive) lower vs higher conductive targets like copper and silver.

A user can experiment with on top of the ground testing and see this.
Even 8khz can smoke some of these Junkers out.

And then there is tone nuance.
For example,,a hot wheels cars tone wise likely won't sound as good as a clad dime will.

Cheers.

In the Deus Bootcamp we learned to hunt in say 12 kHz, your next program in the chain just by pressing the + button would have say 4 kHz. Hitting a bottle cap in 12 kHz we would check it in 4 kHz. I think
that if the ID goes down a few numbers, dig. If it goes up, walk. I could have that bassackwards :-).

Some gumwrappers sound so good especially in 18 kHz. And I'm always amazed how high some of them show ID wise.
I went to the farm today and began in18. But I was digging super small bits of trash that sounded like a deep coin. So I bumped it down to 8 kHz. Problem solved.

I wish at the bootcamp that they would have had a real deep coin and make everyone adjust their detectors to hit it. They did have different scenarios set up in the field for real-life detecting, just no real deepie.

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: August 05, 2017 08:43PM
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Tony N (Michigan)
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squirrel1
Tony,
A few comments.

Deus ID on targets.
Can it be helpful?
Yes

Can it be hurtful?
Yes

One of the reason why I like the horseshoe shading on targets.
If I see half a horseshoe or more,,,Deus ID more believable.
Now if I am getting broken like tone,,,might diss the ID and dig.

You see less than half of horseshoe,,,,be on guard for Deus lying to you.
Now, it is very possible to get a target,,,using say reactvity 3,, and target might give shady ID,,,but by lower reactvity and sweeping, ID become more true or exact.

Knowing when to call the Deus' bluff= learning the detector.

Now, don't forget about your normalization setting of OFF.
This can help a person out on dig or no dig decsions.

Lower freqs using no normalization should drive junk metal targets (lower conductive) lower vs higher conductive targets like copper and silver.

A user can experiment with on top of the ground testing and see this.
Even 8khz can smoke some of these Junkers out.

And then there is tone nuance.
For example,,a hot wheels cars tone wise likely won't sound as good as a clad dime will.

Cheers.

In the Deus Bootcamp we learned to hunt in say 12 kHz, your next program in the chain just by pressing the + button would have say 4 kHz. Hitting a bottle cap in 12 kHz we would check it in 4 kHz. I think
that if the ID goes down a few numbers, dig. If it goes up, walk. I could have that bassackwards :-).

Some gumwrappers sound so good especially in 18 kHz. And I'm always amazed how high some of them show ID wise.
I went to the farm today and began in18. But I was digging super small bits of trash that sounded like a deep coin. So I bumped it down to 8 kHz. Problem solved.

I wish at the bootcamp that they would have had a real deep coin and make everyone adjust their detectors to hit it. They did have different scenarios set up in the field for real-life detecting, just no real deepie.

No you don't have it backwards.
Just remember ID norm on is set default ON.
When you build your programs for hunting,,,set id norm on or off like you want.

This using a lower frequency to spot less than stellar metal targets,,,a person can sweep targets on top of the ground and see it.
One problem here to keep mind.
On deep junk targets,,,this likely won't help you.

A little experiement

Turn normalization off
Sweep a clad dime or a silver dime in 12 kHz note meter reading.
Go to 4 kHz an sweep the coins,,,note meter reading
Notice the spread of I.D.

Do the same with a copper penny (not a zincoln)
Then sweep a zincoln.
Try a quarter.

Try an IH penny.

Notice what your 2 lowest reading was on the above using 4khz.
Should be the zincoln and IH penny. (Lower conductive coins compared to the others swept)

The data provided with the above.
Good info to keep in the back of your head.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2017 09:06PM by squirrel1.

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: sprchng
Date: August 05, 2017 09:25PM
The frequency shift is pretty reliable but an extra step you don't have to perform with FBS machines , I assume because the machine recognizes the steel for you. One thing you want to be sure to check while doing the frequency thing is to not overlook big silver or clad spills comprising multiple high conducting coins. Do some experimenting with coin combinations and note the VDI in 4 khz as well as 12 , don't always walk from 4k VDIs in the low 90s and if you notch 97, 98 in 12k you could leaving some very nice stuff behind.

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: August 05, 2017 09:50PM
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sprchng
The frequency shift is pretty reliable but an extra step you don't have to perform with FBS machines , I assume because the machine recognizes the steel for you. One thing you want to be sure to check while doing the frequency thing is to not overlook big silver or clad spills comprising multiple high conducting coins. Do some experimenting with coin combinations and note the VDI in 4 khz as well as 12 , don't always walk from 4k VDIs in the low 90s and if you notch 97, 98 in 12k you could leaving some very nice stuff behind.

Very good info.

Another experiment to see what this gent is referring to.

Check both of these setups.
Using 12 khz with normalization On,,,they check with it set Off.

Notch 97-99

Take 4 clad quarters and stack them and sweep,,,see what you hear.
Then take 3 clad quarters and stack and sweep, see what you hear.

You can do this too with say a couple halves.
A couple silver dollars.

Even one silver dollar.

Or a mix of the above.

Then remove notch and repeat above, notice any difference??

Notching at the high end,,,IMO taboo.

And yes,,some times you will get some iron hits that will read 99, learn to work through these based on behavior, tone nuance, ect.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2017 09:52PM by squirrel1.

Re: Aluminum gum wrappers?
Posted by: Blank Planet
Date: August 06, 2017 12:31AM
to much fiddling is why people head to minelabs for modern park ( 200 years or less) type hunting, more testing reveals set up for what your hunting and learn what the Deus is saying easier to get the target out than push multiple buttons.

listen hard dig lots for at least 100 hrs listen hard dig less latter, so short term pain = long term gain.

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