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Deus questions
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 03, 2017 10:30PM
No my Deus still hasn't arrived, UPS enough said. So a few questions while I wait...I'm coming from Minelab's (Explorer, eDud, CTX) so that's my frame of reference...

1. Minelabs hate air gaps, specifically a sandwich of coil/air gap/soil its a depth killer. Dig a 6 inch plug, if the target is deeper frequently Minelab can no longer be detect the target with the main coil. Is this an issue for a Deus? I seem to recall viewing a Deus video where a guy dug a plug and the machine didn't seem to have any problem still getting a signal from the main coil.

2. MI-6 probe, does it have tone ID like the main coil? What's the depth?

3. Deus depth loss on wet saltwater sand? I see it has a 'beach' mode is that really required? I'm used to running Explorers hot and noisy on salt water beaches, wide open all metal, iron and noise is my threshold tone. Can I run a Deus in other modes for max depth on a wet salt water beach or is beach mode mandatory? I understand there's a difference between damp, wet, and sopping wet as you go down slope towards the water. I'm used to holding my coil just off the wet sand, Explorers will also false if you touch the coil to the wet sand.

4. X,Y screen, I called the US Deus support they are clueless about this screen. The supplement for this screen shows 4 quadrants, top/left and bottom/right ferrous, top/right and bottom/left non ferrous. But does this display also note conductivity by the tilt of the target or is it strictly a ferrous/non-ferrous display?

5. Does the Deus have an overload tone? I see that it has a double beep for shallow/surface targets, but what about large targets?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/03/2017 10:38PM by Charles (Upstate NY).

Re: Deus questions
Posted by: G.A.P.metal
Date: September 04, 2017 06:07AM
Hi Charles
I`m kinda new to the Deus too.
Your Question #5
Yes the Deus has (Audio Overload) in the Expert Menu under (Audio Response) 1-3 as to how close the target will overload the coil.
Gary



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Re: Deus questions
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: September 04, 2017 07:16AM
Quote
Charles (Upstate NY)
No my Deus still hasn't arrived, UPS enough said. So a few questions while I wait...I'm coming from Minelab's (Explorer, eDud, CTX) so that's my frame of reference...

1. Minelabs hate air gaps, specifically a sandwich of coil/air gap/soil its a depth killer. Dig a 6 inch plug, if the target is deeper frequently Minelab can no longer be detect the target with the main coil. Is this an issue for a Deus? I seem to recall viewing a Deus video where a guy dug a plug and the machine didn't seem to have any problem still getting a signal from the main coil.

2. MI-6 probe, does it have tone ID like the main coil? What's the depth?

3. Deus depth loss on wet saltwater sand? I see it has a 'beach' mode is that really required? I'm used to running Explorers hot and noisy on salt water beaches, wide open all metal, iron and noise is my threshold tone. Can I run a Deus in other modes for max depth on a wet salt water beach or is beach mode mandatory? I understand there's a difference between damp, wet, and sopping wet as you go down slope towards the water. I'm used to holding my coil just off the wet sand, Explorers will also false if you touch the coil to the wet sand.

4. X,Y screen, I called the US Deus support they are clueless about this screen. The supplement for this screen shows 4 quadrants, top/left and bottom/right ferrous, top/right and bottom/left non ferrous. But does this display also note conductivity by the tilt of the target or is it strictly a ferrous/non-ferrous display?

5. Does the Deus have an overload tone? I see that it has a double beep for shallow/surface targets, but what about large targets?

Air gap - Deus is one of the better fresh tilled. Plowed field detectors.
For deeper targets, air gap becomes more critical.

MI-6
No tone ID
Does have good depth

Beach mode
It will need to be used
GB parameters are different in the normal land modes.

Xy screen.
Targets donductivty can be seen by the amount of tilt of presentation
Quadrants also denote ferrous or nonferrous.

Overload tone
There is adjustment t
Deus not overly sensitive here in this area in the least.
Takes a big some thing to set overload off, even if level is increased under expert tab.

This link has info that you may find beneficial.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?83,2383789



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/04/2017 07:21AM by squirrel1.

Re: Deus questions
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 04, 2017 10:12AM
Good to know, Explorers dislike fresh tilled soil. Too bad the MI6 does not have tone ID, back to chasing nails in the hole I guess.

So the X,Y screen is simply a yes/no ferrous or non-ferrous it offers no ferrous information beyond that? Again using the Explorer as a contrast, it has a ferrous axis which spreads non-ferrous targets out on its X,Y screen, nickel, foil, pull tab, zinc, wheat, indian, clad dime, silver dime, have different locations on the ferrous/non-ferrous axis. eDud and CTX ruined this lining targets up pretty much on a single ferrous line. Sounds like the Deus is closer to the eDud and CTX in this regard. Though conductivity is probably 80% of what I monitored anyway so a minor loss.

I see target normalization is not available with the HF coils so I'll have to sample at different frequencies to figure out where targets will come in. Explorers have this same issue, albeit minor. The 11 frequency shifts which are really just for dealing with interference, I mapped them all some months ago. Target ID varies depending on which of the 11 channels is selected, span is only about 6 points.

Crown Caps, there's a Deus thread on this but I'm still not sure why crown caps are such a problem on the Deus. Perhaps Minelab did something special for those on the Explorer. On the Explorer crown caps are a non issue, they ID as low conductive targets, pegged at max non-ferrous. This positions them all by themselves in the bottom/right corner of the screen with some variability in conductivity but never so conductive that they rise up into the coin area. Since nothing else ID's there its a simple thing to avoid them. The odd super corroded nickel may bounce over in the crown cap area, some steel backed buttons but that's about it. Now crown caps on an Excalibur are a problem for that machine. Can sound a bit broken and ugly which is a clue its probably a crown cap. How good are the Deus tones (full tones) can you hear the rough edge of a crown cap?

Explorer tones are quite good indeed, there's a lot of information in the tone including the shape of the target. Round targets sound round, I think I saw a Deus video which said the Deus also has this nuance. Trully deep targets also sound different, wider as you sweep them vs shallow targets, any tonal information on the Deus that hints at depth?

Re: Deus questions
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: September 04, 2017 12:07PM
Quote
Charles (Upstate NY)
Good to know, Explorers dislike fresh tilled soil. Too bad the MI6 does not have tone ID, back to chasing nails in the hole I guess.

So the X,Y screen is simply a yes/no ferrous or non-ferrous it offers no ferrous information beyond that? Again using the Explorer as a contrast, it has a ferrous axis which spreads non-ferrous targets out on its X,Y screen, nickel, foil, pull tab, zinc, wheat, indian, clad dime, silver dime, have different locations on the ferrous/non-ferrous axis. eDud and CTX ruined this lining targets up pretty much on a single ferrous line. Sounds like the Deus is closer to the eDud and CTX in this regard. Though conductivity is probably 80% of what I monitored anyway so a minor loss.

I see target normalization is not available with the HF coils so I'll have to sample at different frequencies to figure out where targets will come in. Explorers have this same issue, albeit minor. The 11 frequency shifts which are really just for dealing with interference, I mapped them all some months ago. Target ID varies depending on which of the 11 channels is selected, span is only about 6 points.

Crown Caps, there's a Deus thread on this but I'm still not sure why crown caps are such a problem on the Deus. Perhaps Minelab did something special for those on the Explorer. On the Explorer crown caps are a non issue, they ID as low conductive targets, pegged at max non-ferrous. This positions them all by themselves in the bottom/right corner of the screen with some variability in conductivity but never so conductive that they rise up into the coin area. Since nothing else ID's there its a simple thing to avoid them. The odd super corroded nickel may bounce over in the crown cap area, some steel backed buttons but that's about it. Now crown caps on an Excalibur are a problem for that machine. Can sound a bit broken and ugly which is a clue its probably a crown cap. How good are the Deus tones (full tones) can you hear the rough edge of a crown cap?

Explorer tones are quite good indeed, there's a lot of information in the tone including the shape of the target. Round targets sound round, I think I saw a Deus video which said the Deus also has this nuance. Trully deep targets also sound different, wider as you sweep them vs shallow targets, any tonal information on the Deus that hints at depth?


FBS/fbs2 units, if a person digs a crown cap with one of those, some thing is wrong (with the detectorist or the way the detector is set up.
These units have super duper processing for caps. Will likely present a ferrous number representation like 31,, which is in the so called iron range,

As far as the HF coils go.
I think you find toggling to 14kah band ,,,best way to see spread of Vdi with different coin denominations.
The rest of the bands put everything in the 90s mostly.

You will NOT get the bigger spread with Deus ID wise as you do with esplorer , Etrac, or CTX.,, or as accurate either at mid depths and deeper.
But Deus will alert on some nonferrous targets,,,,fbs style units trying to could,be problematic,,even No detection period.

Re: Deus questions
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 04, 2017 12:34PM
HF coil higher frequencies bunch all targets up into the 90's? Foil will ID in the 90's? If so that blows. I'm especially interested in how Deus will behave on/near crown caps. I love crown caps, there's a billion of them and older silver likes to hide under them. :thumbup: Same reason I love iron.

Well the Deus arrives in 2 days, as soon as it stops being 100 freaking degrees I'll take it to the volcanic black sand rusty nail hell hole and we'll see if it can punch through this soil, Explorer is FAIL at this site.

Re: Deus questions
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: September 04, 2017 01:49PM
Quote
Charles (Upstate NY)
HF coil higher frequencies bunch all targets up into the 90's? Foil will ID in the 90's? If so that blows. I'm especially interested in how Deus will behave on/near crown caps. I love crown caps, there's a billion of them and older silver likes to hide under them. :thumbup: Same reason I love iron.

Well the Deus arrives in 2 days, as soon as it stops being 100 freaking degrees I'll take it to the volcanic black sand rusty nail hell hole and we'll see if it can punch through this soil, Explorer is FAIL at this site.


Here is some info on HF elliptical I posted on another forum.

Will be talking about here.
Doing some tests, and will take on a nice place to give a run and draw some preliminary conclusions hopefully.

Alright I'll get started.

First off I have checked, coil bolts seem identical between this HF coil and my LF coils.

Weight comparing 2 Deus fitted with remote, one with 9" LF coil, the other fitted with hf elliptical. Rods on both adjusted to same length.
Weight wise just feeling feel pretty much the same.
Don't have worthy scales.

Balance though advantage to the HF coil setup.
LF coil setup more nose heavy.
Not a show stopper here, as many have used the LF coils, just HF is better.

Next, if you are reading here for gold nugget performance you are in the wrong place.
I hqve no gold, and don't think there is any near me. Wish there was.

HF coil has no profile setting to normalize VDI of targets.

Here is some data on some coins and a Eagle button.
First readings are with Elliptical coil set to 141414 hZ

Silver Dollar....97
Silver Half......96
Silver Quarter 94
Buffalo nickel..58
Wheat head....86
Merc dime......89
Zincoln...........83
1902 IH..........79
Eagle button...59

Freq changed to 28829 hz

Silver dollar.......98
Silver Half.........97
Silver Quarter....97
Buffalo nickel.....72
Wheat head.......91
Merc dime ........94
Zincoln.............89
1902 IH............87
Eagle button......76

I can already tell by doing some test over relic iron, elliptical coil users likely will enjoy hunting using full tones.
Why ?
Because when using 28829 freq tone nuance over relic iron using conventional disc like example 6 is gone moreso vs using more traditional LF coils ( even when LF coil is run at 18khz.

I have a deep nickel 10" buried for a while.
Comparing 2 Deus units one with low freq coil 9" installed and the Other with HF coil installed.

A comparison was done. (Only reactivity settings 3 and 4 were used on both setups)
With like settings using deep program except for freq obviously.
LF coil gave best signal using 12 and 18khz using reactivity settings 3 and 4 vs HF coil using 14414 hz.

Now switch freq to 28828 on HF coil, this setup provides clearer signal than HF coil dialed to 14414 hz and also the LF coil dialed to both 12 and 18khz.

HF coil signal here at 28829 hz is cleaner sounding and louder.

Also should point out. Using reactvity settings 3 and 4 with the HF coil at 28.8 kHz,,,user has lots of coil leeway for detection, fore and aft when sweeping.
Also, this nickel would be practically impossible to miss setting solo in my ground here. Sweep speed,,,I can't swing over with any speed really and miss-- always get a STOP me in my tracks. No brainer signal.
I did try reactvity 2.5,, still a lot of leeway sweep wise just don't get crazy and overdo.

Should point out just shy of half on mineral strength meter full,,so my ground not mild.

Elliptical coil does offer frequency offset.
Center band freq for 14k area
Center freq is 14414 kHz
Lowest available is 13333hz
Highest available is 15686 hz.

Next the 28kh band
Center freq is 28829 hz
Lowest available is 26667 hz
Highest available is 31373hz.

For gee whiz, since this detector with elliptical coil offers no VDI normalization,
Using freq band 28.8khz with freq offset to lowest freq 26667 hz, I air tested a few targets. Folks can look up above to see how they compared when swept at 28829hz.

Freq again swept 26667hz
Silver dollar ..97
Silver Half......97
Silver quarter 96
IH ...............86
Buffalo nickel 71
Zincoln..........88
Merc dime......92

Re: Deus questions
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 04, 2017 03:05PM
Excellent, I see a nickel is not in the 90's phew. I need nickels and lower conductive targets to be lower than higher conductive coins for what I have planned for the HF coil.

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