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Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: September 12, 2017 05:19PM
Just went out for a short hunt with the Deus and Gary's Ultimate program.

The yards are littered with rusty nails.

These nails give off the type of sound like a coin next to iron. I'm not sure what the solution is other than just don't dig them and possibly lose a nice old coin that really is next to a rusty nail.

I realize that sweeping the coil 90 degrees from the good hit, one can test if it really is just an iron nail or not. But that is not always the case.

For instance, lay a dime next to a long rusty nail. Sweep the coil against the length of the nail. It will hit the dime. No sweep 90 degrees along the length of the nail and the dime disappears.

If anyone has a solution, I'm all ears. I have never found one detector that can hit the dime both ways.

At least I found a bottle opener and a bicycle link. LOL.




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Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: CZconnoisseur
Date: September 12, 2017 06:12PM
Just dig it out when in doubt - like you said there may be a coin hiding in there! Happens all too often for me to NOT dig it....you just never know! :detecting:



Tokens 16
Wheats 138
Indians 52
V Nickels 8
Buffalo Nickels 7
War Nickels 6
Seated Dimes 4
Barber Dimes 8
Mercury Dimes 23
Canada Vicky Dimes 1
Rosie Dimes 8
Seated Quarters 1
Barber Quarters 2
Standing Quarters 1
Washington Quarters 1
Walker Halves 1
Barber Halves 1
Silver Jewelry 7
Gold Jewelry 1

Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: September 12, 2017 06:51PM
Tony,
All of the above average separating detectors I have ever run,,,,bent nails like in your pic,,,detector will sing on.
Go for Deus LF coils and HF coils too.

Fence staples,,,those will sound dynamite on Deus and some other detectors.

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Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: September 12, 2017 07:06PM
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CZconnoisseur
Just dig it out when in doubt - like you said there may be a coin hiding in there! Happens all too often for me to NOT dig it....you just never know! :detecting:

Why can't they make a detector that, rather than detecting ferrous/conductive properties actually detects the elements of gold, silver, copper?

Imagine a detector that would disregard completely pull tabs and detect the actual element of gold? "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Charles(Sabre)(Tx)
Date: September 12, 2017 10:32PM
I recognize those words by the late...John Lennon.
"Imagine"

Charles
PS---the concept is amazing though...a true gold or silver detector!

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Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: September 13, 2017 09:02AM
If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: RichW
Date: September 13, 2017 10:16AM
Sure would make it easier right? But if it was easy everyone would own a detector. I could see parks, and beaches full of people swinging detectors. More holes, more damage and many more laws and places off limits. I'm pretty happy with things the way they are. The only thing I'd like to change is my age. Getting old sucks.

Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Blank Planet
Date: September 13, 2017 11:26AM
well I agree with getting old sucks :punch:

and yes the aluminium keeps my gold safe till i get there :thumbup:

but really if I could have one super power it would be xray vision see ring under ground go pop it out too easy sit on my butt and find the gold then go grab it :buds:

BP



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2017 11:27AM by Blank Planet.

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Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: September 13, 2017 01:07PM
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RichW
Sure would make it easier right? But if it was easy everyone would own a detector. I could see parks, and beaches full of people swinging detectors. More holes, more damage and many more laws and places off limits. I'm pretty happy with things the way they are. The only thing I'd like to change is my age. Getting old sucks.

Well, it would be nice if I could invent such a detector just for myself.

Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Frank in NH
Date: September 13, 2017 01:09PM
Then you would be called one way Tony!

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Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: September 13, 2017 01:11PM
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Frank in NH
Then you would be called one way Tony!

Is that a bad thing? LOL :lol:

Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 14, 2017 04:09PM
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Tony N (Michigan)
If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.




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Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: September 15, 2017 04:22PM
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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Tony N (Michigan)
If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.


Thanks for sharing that, Charles.
I don't doubt you at all. Have you noticed one make of an Explorer, say the XS to have slightly different tonality than say an Explorer Se or Se Pro and different from say the E-trac on these subtle differences?
I have seen a distinct difference between my Explorer XS and SE PRO and E-trac as far as the chime sounds. But maybe I'm just getting older and not hearing as well?


Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Charles (Upstate NY)
Date: September 15, 2017 06:55PM
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Tony N (Michigan)
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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Tony N (Michigan)
If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.


Thanks for sharing that, Charles.
I don't doubt you at all. Have you noticed one make of an Explorer, say the XS to have slightly different tonality than say an Explorer Se or Se Pro and different from say the E-trac on these subtle differences?
I have seen a distinct difference between my Explorer XS and SE PRO and E-trac as far as the chime sounds. But maybe I'm just getting older and not hearing as well?

Explorer XS is a nickel eating tyrannosaurus, Explorer II not so much. They were fat juicy tomatoes on the XS. Some don't know but ML changed the design of the coil XS vs II even though the outer shell looks the same. Explorer II lost its nickel mojo tone wise. Beyond that I have not noticed any tone difference, though quality headphones is key with Explorers and I suspect Deus. Grey Ghost sharp and ice pick like, Sunray Golds oh yeah Explorer sweetness you want to hear the tone music use those. :thumbup:

I build tube guitar amps, play guitar and keyboard my brain is wired for tone.




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Re: Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail
Posted by: Tony N (Michigan)
Date: September 16, 2017 05:19AM
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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Tony N (Michigan)
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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Tony N (Michigan)
If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.


Thanks for sharing that, Charles.
I don't doubt you at all. Have you noticed one make of an Explorer, say the XS to have slightly different tonality than say an Explorer Se or Se Pro and different from say the E-trac on these subtle differences?
I have seen a distinct difference between my Explorer XS and SE PRO and E-trac as far as the chime sounds. But maybe I'm just getting older and not hearing as well?

Explorer XS is a nickel eating tyrannosaurus, Explorer II not so much. They were fat juicy tomatoes on the XS. Some don't know but ML changed the design of the coil XS vs II even though the outer shell looks the same. Explorer II lost its nickel mojo tone wise. Beyond that I have not noticed any tone difference, though quality headphones is key with Explorers and I suspect Deus. Grey Ghost sharp and ice pick like, Sunray Golds oh yeah Explorer sweetness you want to hear the tone music use those. :thumbup:

I build tube guitar amps, play guitar and keyboard my brain is wired for tone.


Are the electric boards in the bottom picture for guitar amp?
I play guitar. Got me some nice amps, one of which is a Mesa/Boogie. :-)

Tony


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