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Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: September 29, 2017 12:40PM
Another hunt this morning.

In a hard hunted site.
Last silver to come from this side of road for me was a war nickel,,I dug with Nokta Impact using small elliptical when testing it. And the Spanish bit in the pic was dug approx 11"-14" from where I dug this war nickel back ealier in the year.
There is no telling how many times I have swept this Spanish bit in the past using other detectors and coils including Deus and LF coils, and the round HF Deus coil too.
Ground is drier than previous hunts here.
Could have helped me find this bit.

If folks would have heard this signal's tone on the Deus in full tones,,,I don't think anyone would have expected silver. Not even me.lol
I was surprised.
And the depth of this bit?
A mere 4-4.5" deep.

Site is loaded with iron and square nails.
A broken signal and barely audible.

Dug some other things too, but these were dug around 150 ft behind this small patch where the bit was found.
Check out the washer(nonferrous) on the nail, that is how it come out of the ground. Orientation though unknown.
Funny thing in this small patch I have dug 2 extremely old pocket knives previously.
Could that have been a clue,,for old timers sitting around a whittling or whatever.

I am really liking this coil,,,,a must have IMO for older sites,,sneaky little devil.
But one has to be paying attention, not all nonferrous goes ringy dingy.

Got to go back this afternoon later.

Deer hunting for me, just doesn't turn me on anymore like detecting does.


Little better pic of bit.
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Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: Lodge Scent
Date: September 29, 2017 04:38PM
Good work Squirrel. That elliptical is looking to be a winner. Santa better bring me one. Funny, I've dug a few good finds lately that also were not classic "ringy dingys" either. Detecting has replaced hunting for me. I can't remember the last time I grabbed the shotgun instead of a detector.

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Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: CZconnoisseur
Date: September 29, 2017 05:21PM
Nice going on the Spanish silver! Are those copper coins you find with it? :shrug:

I've ordered the 9" HF round coil and my coin garden is planted! Will be itching to get it over some hard-worked dirt next week! :detecting:



Tokens 16
Wheats 138
Indians 52
V Nickels 8
Buffalo Nickels 7
War Nickels 6
Seated Dimes 4
Barber Dimes 8
Mercury Dimes 23
Canada Vicky Dimes 1
Rosie Dimes 8
Seated Quarters 1
Barber Quarters 2
Standing Quarters 1
Washington Quarters 1
Walker Halves 1
Barber Halves 1
Silver Jewelry 7
Gold Jewelry 1

Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: enderman
Date: September 29, 2017 05:37PM
That's what I am talking about, good job, I am very envious.

Can we talk about ID Norm and weather or not the really high Freq of this new coil is driving the silver number down? Is that anything you can check?
Whats it say on one of the LF coils? I assume it's at 80 or below due to the size.

For those who don't know what I am talking about, for example:
-HF XTerra coil compresses silver numbers and expands foil and gold.
-LF XTerra coil compress gold and foil numbers and expands silver.

This is the same as the Deus, hence the ID norm. How well does it work and what are the compromises? Does ID norm apply to the HF coils?
Seems difficult to apply ID norm to that high of Freq and maintain accuracy of resolution compared to a non normalized program? Or is it? lol.

Anyhow that is the find of the weekend in my books, Spaniard silver really gets me excited.

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I still do my deer hunting Squirrel
Posted by: Mikie
Date: September 29, 2017 06:31PM
But I guess I am fortunate.. My hunting usually consists of putting the barrel out the window or opening a door.. And then shooting. Plus
I have 30 apple trees spread out over the farm .. so I get apple fed venison.

That said, i have a fairly large spread in my farm.. so hunting for deer is not a problem for me :):

But to be fair, that 'bit' means more than a deer to me..

Well done an a great find.. I am going to head to my drowned towns next week and give my round HF coil a spin

Micheal



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Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: September 29, 2017 07:03PM
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CZconnoisseur
Nice going on the Spanish silver! Are those copper coins you find with it? :shrug:

I've ordered the 9" HF round coil and my coin garden is planted! Will be itching to get it over some hard-worked dirt next week! :detecting:
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No, they are not coins, but old flat buttons.
Sorry for the bad pic.

Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: September 29, 2017 07:11PM
Quote
enderman
That's what I am talking about, good job, I am very envious.

Can we talk about ID Norm and weather or not the really high Freq of this new coil is driving the silver number down? Is that anything you can check?
Whats it say on one of the LF coils? I assume it's at 80 or below due to the size.

For those who don't know what I am talking about, for example:
-HF XTerra coil compresses silver numbers and expands foil and gold.
-LF XTerra coil compress gold and foil numbers and expands silver.

This is the same as the Deus, hence the ID norm. How well does it work and what are the compromises? Does ID norm apply to the HF coils?
Seems difficult to apply ID norm to that high of Freq and maintain accuracy of resolution compared to a non normalized program? Or is it? lol.

Anyhow that is the find of the weekend in my books, Spaniard silver really gets me excited.

There is no I'd normalization allowed with either HF coil, elliptical or round.
Higher freq compresses at the upper end.

A person does have 14.4 kHz range to cross check targets if they want/can,,,say when hunting in a modern site.
Now, on clean hitting, with a lot of horseshoe say half showing,,,a good 4 way signal and you see 45 or less you can bet likely no jewelry unless a stud or chain for example.
Not a ring likely.

This coil not a real good modern site Hunter,,,,now with some experience under your belt using,,,,can be used in modern sites. Will be challenging somewhat though.
To give you an idea of what you are up against,,,in 28.8khz a pull ring with tab wrapped around can read 89/90 on the meter.
Basically for coins that are detected and provide actual Vdi reading you are looking mostly at going after those that read 90 plus on the meter.
No absolutes though.

Silver numbers if they are accurately presented on meter, won't be driven down by the higher frequency used.. Ground minerals, ferrous, rust, iron masking can drive down the numbers(tone too from actual air test tone of recovered nonferrous target)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2017 07:22PM by squirrel1.

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Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: CZconnoisseur
Date: September 30, 2017 11:04AM
Quote
squirrel1
Quote
enderman
That's what I am talking about, good job, I am very envious.

Can we talk about ID Norm and weather or not the really high Freq of this new coil is driving the silver number down? Is that anything you can check?
Whats it say on one of the LF coils? I assume it's at 80 or below due to the size.

For those who don't know what I am talking about, for example:
-HF XTerra coil compresses silver numbers and expands foil and gold.
-LF XTerra coil compress gold and foil numbers and expands silver.

This is the same as the Deus, hence the ID norm. How well does it work and what are the compromises? Does ID norm apply to the HF coils?
Seems difficult to apply ID norm to that high of Freq and maintain accuracy of resolution compared to a non normalized program? Or is it? lol.

Anyhow that is the find of the weekend in my books, Spaniard silver really gets me excited.

There is no I'd normalization allowed with either HF coil, elliptical or round.
Higher freq compresses at the upper end.

A person does have 14.4 kHz range to cross check targets if they want/can,,,say when hunting in a modern site.
Now, on clean hitting, with a lot of horseshoe say half showing,,,a good 4 way signal and you see 45 or less you can bet likely no jewelry unless a stud or chain for example.
Not a ring likely.

This coil not a real good modern site Hunter,,,,now with some experience under your belt using,,,,can be used in modern sites. Will be challenging somewhat though.
To give you an idea of what you are up against,,,in 28.8khz a pull ring with tab wrapped around can read 89/90 on the meter.
Basically for coins that are detected and provide actual Vdi reading you are looking mostly at going after those that read 90 plus on the meter.
No absolutes though.

Silver numbers if they are accurately presented on meter, won't be driven down by the higher frequency used.. Ground minerals, ferrous, rust, iron masking can drive down the numbers(tone too from actual air test tone of recovered nonferrous target)

Good info squirrel1...once again!

In our soil sometimes 5-6" deep pulltabs and ringtabs will register higher VDI too. Out of the ground these tabs ring up in the 50s using 4kHz, but deeper in the ground they rise up to high 60s and low 70s sometimes.

Along the same vein, a recently dug silver dime returned a VDI of 85 and was a measured 8.5" deep. Mike checked that particular signal with his Golden Mask V...and it registered exactly where a silver dime would be on that machine, however it also showed iron surrounding the target. Great machine - the Golden Mask V - very fast and accurately IDs coins down to 9" that I've witnessed. But deep iron nails sometimes indicate as coins with the GM V, and with the 11" Deus they sound like a deep, non-ferrous hit as well. Can't help but dig em! :unsure:

I cleaned a few small iron targets from the recently-planted coin garden yesterday, and for some reason the 5" deep nickel doesn't register. At all. I didn't get to cleaning the nickel section of the garden, but cleaned out iron from the 7 and 9" deep silver dimes which helped the signals somewhat. The 9" dime is almost invisible in any program, and the 7" dime is fuzzy and hard to pinpoint. I suspect more iron is there making it difficult....

The 3" deep Indian cent hits plainly - nice solid signal that gives a "64" VDI in 4kHz. Now, move to the 5" deep Indian cent and the signal is weaker, but still solid - however I get a VDI of "71-75" and the audio is smooth - no doubt I would dig that signal! I made sure all 4 Indians registered identical VDI before planting - all four coins read "63-64" in 4kHz, and "71-72" in 8Khz out of the hole >3" from the coil

Same story with the silver dime section - the 3" silver dime reads "74-75" while the 5" silver dime hits "79-81", both in 4kHz.

Nickels are notorious for "skewing" VDI especially in lower frequencies.

I tried 12 kHz on all the coins and didn't see much if any difference until I got to the nickels - the 5" deep nickel is invisible in 12kHz as well, the 7" nickel is barely diggable, but the 9" nickel is a definite "squeaker" in 12kHz, 4kHz doesn't see it.

28.8kHz seems like a lofty coin-shooting frequency, but I have just the place for testing it out! Should have the coil by next Thursday! :bouncy:



Tokens 16
Wheats 138
Indians 52
V Nickels 8
Buffalo Nickels 7
War Nickels 6
Seated Dimes 4
Barber Dimes 8
Mercury Dimes 23
Canada Vicky Dimes 1
Rosie Dimes 8
Seated Quarters 1
Barber Quarters 2
Standing Quarters 1
Washington Quarters 1
Walker Halves 1
Barber Halves 1
Silver Jewelry 7
Gold Jewelry 1

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Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: calabash digger
Date: September 30, 2017 10:12PM
nice!!!

Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: October 01, 2017 01:01PM
Nice find Tnss.

Re: Elliptical HF coil strikes another Spanish bit
Posted by: squirrel1
Date: October 01, 2017 01:10PM
Thanks Scott and Ghound.

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