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Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: earthmansurfer
Date: June 28, 2012 02:04AM
Buried Crap NJ (Still laughing at that. ehehe) - Not sure I follow your post but I like the ferrous line on an open screen at 28 or so in case coins bounce down there from my iron mineralized ground. That was an E-Trac thing and I don't see coins bouncing with the ferrous coin setting on. I think the vast majority of iron hits below 31 or so - so, there is no need to have the iron line too high.

I find the CTX likes a little disc, but that is preliminary. It doesn't null as long as the E-Trac as it is quicker. Nulling is what it should do, not a bad thing, the problem with the older FBS machines is that the null was longer than an equivalent low tone in e.g. TTF.

nil - Great to hear. I am still wanting to compare a minimally disc'd pattern with more what you are saying. I am curious about depth. Once I get to a spot with deeper targets I will. Thanks for the information.
Have you compared that disc pattern you are getting depth on with a more minimal one? (e.g. - Like me and Larry are running).
Further it is interesting what you surmise regarding having 20 lines of Fe open and maybe giving more depth. On deeper targets it would be easy and nice to test this! Thx.

Albert



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Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: nil
Date: June 28, 2012 08:48PM
Earthmansurfer - Like everbody else, i'm still trying different variations, I did notice on a few deep targets, the less discriminated pattern was difficult to pinpoint and centre up on the target, combination of adjacent targets and mineralization kept me circling to try to relocate the better signal. These are still preliminary observations, lately been focusing on a max discrimination pattern, but its losing momentum fast.

BTW, great job on the videos, as always, very educational.

Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: martygene
Date: June 30, 2012 05:23PM
to earthmansurfer: is it possible to show us a screen shot of what you are talking about?
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Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: ronfin
Date: June 30, 2012 06:40PM
I'm hunting in Ferrous-Coin, with GH's audio set-up, and using zero discrimination. Yesterday I found 3 IH's and a 1936 WLH. Today I found two more IH's. I guess I could use some discrimination, but why? The low iron tones aren't that overwhelming, and I'd rather be able to hear a coin that's touching iron rather than take a chance the machine nulls on it if the iron is big. Just my .02

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Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: Gonehunting
Date: July 01, 2012 01:36AM
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I'm hunting in Ferrous-Coin, with GH's audio set-up, and using zero discrimination. Yesterday I found 3 IH's and a 1936 WLH. Today I found two more IH's. I guess I could use some discrimination, but why? The low iron tones aren't that overwhelming, and I'd rather be able to hear a coin that's touching iron rather than take a chance the machine nulls on it if the iron is big. Just my .02
Thats good to hear. EMS might be on something with the discrim, I am checking it too and even checking it against the Ground coin setting. I really think where you hunt soil/trash type is going to be the big difference here. . I'm still not sure how soil types/trash types might affect the set up. So far where I hunt it has been deadly..but not much of a variety where I hunt or should I say where I choose to hunt. I have yet to take it to a park, because I just don't hunt parks....just an fyi I hunt mostly older pre 1930's yards that have been very few landowners and try not to hunt rental properties where there is a more of a chance for modern trash..



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Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: Bell-Two
Date: July 01, 2012 07:32AM
Just a question since I do not have a CTX as of yet. My observations and also stated by Andy Sabisch was that the E-Trac works better and other Minelab machines as well with some discrimination. I know as it has been stated repeatedly on this forum the CTX is not an E-Trac but it still uses a form of FBS for its operation. Would it not be logical that the CTX would benefit from a modicum of discrimination? When I run TTF on my E-Trac I base it on the relic mode and disc out 01-31 on top to offset iron wraparound per Goes4ever's setup. When using the Combined mode on the CTX would not it be helpful to do the same? Just asking for future information.




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Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: earthmansurfer
Date: July 01, 2012 09:07AM
martygene - Do you mean a screen shot of my disc patterns? One is just disc'd 28 on down (Fe) and the minimal disc in the lower right corner is basically the same as Diggers screen he posted in another thread.

Evan - Looks like Digger is saying the same thing regarding ferrous coin and disc:

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Lots of variables to state anything definitive..... but when I run in a modified Coin Program with Lo Trash or High Trash separation, I prefer to hear all the signals and let my ears sort out the good stuff. When I use Ferrous Coin separation, I get better results with some discrimination (most of the screen below ferrous 23), allowing the software to help unmask the goodies. JMHO HH Randy


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Re: Can someone explain why no discrimination?
Posted by: earthmansurfer
Date: July 01, 2012 09:56AM
Here is a screen shot of my minimal disc pattern, from exchange II. I am comparing this to the 28 on down (Fe) pattern to see if depth is affected. This is just preliminary as I'm just playing with patterns and am not commited yet - stll learning what the machine likes best.



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