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Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: steve herschbach
Date: November 09, 2013 11:33PM
Hello,

I have now used the new Garrett ATX metal detector for a few days in several different locations. This post contains some of my preliminary thoughts and impressions of the detector. I have been metal detecting since 1972. From 1976 to 2010 I was an owner of one of the larger multiline metal detecting retail shops in the country. I am now a full time prospector and writer. I am brand agnostic in that I have used and continue to use various brands with my only consideration being what works for me. I am primarily a gold prospector but also jewelry and coin detect. My main interest for some time has been the use of VLF detectors with powerful all metal modes or pulse induction detectors. Raw power is my primary consideration with an emphasis on recovering all targets. Yet I enjoy cherry picking targets now and then and so have a couple good discriminating detectors for that purpose. Due to my prospecting activities I have used and am very knowledgeable in the use of the majority of the prospecting detectors produced since 1980.

Because of my years as a dealer and outspoken views on metal detectors I have enjoyed working a little bit with the manufacturers testing detectors and providing feedback. Regardless of this I always obtain the latest and greatest to keep myself up to date on what is available with an eye to leveraging any performance advantages in my favor. Therefore one way or the other I find myself using a lot of new detectors, and I do like to share some of what I learn. However, I am not in the employ of the manufacturers and I am no longer a dealer. Even when I was I never was the hard sell type. I do not like hype any more than most of you and I think puffing things up to be something they are not is counterproductive in the long run. My goal is just to figure out what a detector is good at, and use it for that. Every detector on the market is serving somebody in some way or they simply do not stay on the market long. Long story short is I have an ATX, I am happy to share what I think about it, but I am not here to sell you one. I am also not here to do your work for you, so lots of requests to do this or that and test this against that may be things I will do or not simply if I am interested myself.

I do not approach metal detectors nearly as analytically as some others I know, all of whom I respect deeply. Some people do incredible in depth tests with tons of charts and graphs and stuff. Really neat stuff but sorry to say that is not me. I do a bit of bench testing and depth comparisons to satisfy myself a detector will do what I want, then I go metal detecting. A detector works for me in many ways, and with performance issues being so close these days how a detector sounds, acts, and feels to me is as important as everything else. There is no one detector that does everything I want by a long shot, so I always have several. Each one makes me happy in some specific way, otherwise I would not have it. The mix changes over time but the basics remain the same. What this means for me is that the ATX just needs to fill a niche, and I just happen to have had one niche wide open waiting to be filled. I needed a waterproof ground balancing pulse induction metal detector. And now I have one - the Garrett ATX. It joins the rest of my current lineup - the Fisher Gold Bug 2 and Gold Bug Pro; Minelab CTX 3030 and GPX 5000; White's DFX, GMT, and TDI.

I have always had a particular interest in ground balancing pulse induction detectors as they have been an area in the last 20 years more open to improvement than most. I have owned most of the Minelab models and currently use the GPX 5000 extensively. I love competition and so was an early proponent and successful user of the Garrett Infinium. And I pushed for and had a tiny, tiny hand in bringing the White's TDI to market. I no longer have an Infinium but do still have a TDI. I am very familiar with this technology and how it performs.

I really liked the Infinium but had two main issues with it. When I became aware of a new detector in the works I sent word to Brent Weaver, the engineer at Garrett working on the unit (I am sure with the help of others) to please, please, please work on the EMI (Electro Magnetic Interference) and salt water stability issues. These two problems dogged my use of the Infinium, particularly in Hawaii. The Infinium is perhaps the best detector I ever used in Hawaii on one level - on another it drove me nuts. It was near impossible to get the detector to quiet down and run smoothly, so although it worked it was a tiring exercise. The Infinium is a classic first generation detector. Very good but very rough around the edges.

Well, I am not going to take credit for harping on the subject for over ten years but for whatever reason Brent and company really appear to have got it right in the ATX. This detector screams next generation product. It is hands down one of the best pulse induction metal detectors I have ever used. I am amazed at how refined it is. The ATX in many ways acts and sounds more like a VLF than what I have come to expect from a PI detector. I suspect the Recon was the second generation and the ATX is now the third generation product as it is just so much better than the Infinium. Bravo and congratulations Brent and whoever works with you, job well done!!



The first thing that got me was the EMI rejection. This is not the frankly rather horrible process used on the Infinium. The Infinium has 32 discrete unmarked settings in a single turn knob. You are supposed to guess at 1/32 of a turn, wait and listen, turn another 1/32, wait and listen, and after doing this 32 times remember what unmarked setting was better than the rest and go back to it, except basically they all sort of were only a little better or worse. The ATX, push the tune button, wait a couple minutes while the detector cycles, and then the detector is quiet. Really quiet. VLF quiet. Better than some high gain VLF quiet. In my house, in the middle of the city - quiet. I have no idea what they did but oh my gosh this machine tunes out EMI and does it so well it is amazing. Want to use your Garrett pinpointer with the ATX? Turn the Pro Pointer on and toss it a couple feet away. let the ATX cycle to find the best operating frequency. Now not only no EMI but you can use the Pro Pointer with the ATX on and get not a peep. No interference.

Now there has got to be a catch and urban locations where there is interference but so far I have been using the ATX around Reno like it is a VLF going coin detecting in parks and getting no interference.

Now add in a rock solid stable threshold. Good VLF stable. Minelab GPX 5000 stable. Clean and clear at stock settings, a little noise at higher than stock gain levels, again, in the middle of a city!

I am sure this is not at all what anyone expected from me. I was supposed to go out and go nugget detecting, right? Well, for personal reasons that has not been an option the last couple weeks. I have been experimenting with coin detecting with ground balancing PI (GBPI) detectors in the past and have written several articles on the subject. I have found piles of coins with the Minelabs, Infinium, and TDI. Coins from depths VLFs cannot hit except in all metal mode, but with better discrimination than a VLF in all metal mode. But I had lots of issues with EMI in particular, and the relative crudeness of the detectors I was using - crudeness now only apparent because I am running the ATX.

Item three - a very well modulated audio target response. Shallow targets sound shallow, deep target sound deep, and lots of nuance to go around. There is a ton of information in the audio of the ATX, much like in a very good VLF for those that hunt by ear. All the sudden Garrett has dropped the best urban pulse induction detector in my hands that I have ever had. I went coin detecting!

One thing I found on moving to Reno was the ground is mineralized and pretty well detected. I was doing some coin detecting looking for my first Reno silver, but finding depth not what I expected at all. Coins deeper than about 6" were giving weak and erratic signals on the best VLF units made. I was finding coins, but more recent stuff, and nothing beyond about 6". The ground here is not very easy on VLF detectors and what is detectable has been hit pretty well over the years. But I knew it had to be there.

I took the ATX and used the old Infinium trick of concentrating on just low/high targets. The signals break depending on the ground balance setting, o it varies, but in general the tone break is right around zinc penny. Zinc penny and higher coins (silver, clad coins, nails) give a low/high tone. Zinc penny and lower (nickels, most trash, gold) give a high/low tone. The high/lows are very common since all aluminum and small ferrous trash gives a high/low tone, plus nickels, and gold jewelry. Low/high tones are much rarer, basically silver and clad coins and larger ferrous items like nails. The ratio of coins to trash basically depends on the amount of nails in the ground. Old cabin sites would be impossible to hunt. But many parks have few nails, and in the past my ration has run about 50/50 coins versus ferrous trash digging just good sounding low/high tone targets (or just low tone on the TDI). It helps immensely to dig isolated low/high tones as opposed to double blip type tones, which usually indicate a nail. Zinc and screw caps can go either way depending on the ground balance but usually are a much louder signal since they tend to be shallow.

The combination of EMI being non-existent, clean steady threshold, and well modulated audio made using the ATX more like using a VLF than using a PI in the Reno park setting. The big, big difference is the sounds are totally PI and must be learned from scratch but any decent VLF hunt by ear types should get the knack pretty quickly with the ATX. I know I did. Next thing you know I am digging wheat back pennies and my first silver dime in Reno. Only as 1954 silver but silver nonetheless.

My brief foray into coin hunting with the ATX had this result:



Three clad quarters, three clad dimes, four copper pennies, two zinc pennies, 1954 dime, 1920 penny, 1942 penny, 1949 penny, 1956 penny, 14 nails, and a screw cap. There were a few large iron items I did not get out of the hole, so about a 50/50 trash to coin ration, plenty good for me. The old coins were all nice mellow low/high tones, the quarters and more recent stuff much louder shallower targets. I could have left them and just gone for the older deeper targets but they were too easy to retrieve and hard to resist so I got them. A few of the nails are square nails which makes me feel good about the age, as does that 1920 penny. I think I am going to nab some good silver soon!

One thing I learned was take a pair of pliers. The nails tend to come up one end or the other in the hole and if you can grab it with pliers you can pull it out and get rid of it so it is not there to be detected in the future. Otherwise they stick pretty hard in the hole. My holes are always filled and invisible when I get done so this can be a bit more work than nugget detecting, where I just blast a pit into the ground. We have to protect the hobby so use care in parks to never leave a mark.

Which leads to item number four. Superb pinpointing. The 12" coil pinpoints dead center, backed up by an honest to gosh no motion on demand pinpointing mode. The coins were in the middle of my plugs. Or one end of the nail. Excellent pinpointing capability, better than a VLF DD coil. This DD acts more like a mono than a DD, with the inner coil area doing the heavy lifting. For small targets treat the inner coil as the only coil for overlapping purposes as that is the hot zone for small gold nuggets, etc.

I am not trying to sell anyone on coin detecting with a PI. I repeat, I am not doing anything here but telling you what I am doing and my results. Those who want to scoff and tell me all about how that can't work in their parks etc etc please save it as I do not care. This is me doing for me what I want and I am liking it. Urban PI detecting is not for the faint of heart or those who detest digging junk. Most of you reading, just don't go there. Those of you who see what I am up to, well, this is for you. More later as I get more time under my belt but for now I will say this. The Garrett ATX is the best urban PI I have ever used. For me it (urban PI detecting) just went from a curiosity sideshow thing to something I am going to pursue in depth. Get it? In depth? Imagine my wife rolling her eyes at this point.

Oh yeah, my wife. When my wife says that a detector is cool looking, the universe just tilted on its ear! She even likes the color. Go figure. My only issue with the ATX is hand in hand with it being waterproof - it is a heavy detector. Big boys will have no issue but I am of slighter build and so can feel the weight. The good news is the sling included is simple and surprisingly effective. If like me weight is an issue do yourself a favor and use the included sling right off the bat. I went without awhile and once I tried the sling was pleasantly surprised. It just slips over your arm and over the handle, very easy to just slide off the handle when digging. Do keep the rod assembly short for best balance.

OK, the Infinium was the best waterproof GBPI I ever used (it is the only one made currently) but it had issues and I have been waiting for over ten years for something better, Frankly, I thought it would be somebody else, not Garrett, that would do the deed. So the ATX first and foremost in my mind is the potential successor to the Infinium that I have been waiting for. I had to get this baby in the water, and fast. So I made a run up to Lake Tahoe, where water meets black sand hot rock infested beaches. I had my water hunting gear from Alaska, chest waders and long handle scoop, so hit it day before yesterday, both on the beach and in the water. I got the usual beach suspects, various trash items, a handful of coins, two earrings (looked good but fake diamonds) and a 14K gold ring with five little diamonds!



I could see the black sand lines in the sand. There were hot rocks aplenty, all of which I just ground balanced out with the simple push button method and then just locked. I do not generally use automatic ground tracking and have not needed to on the ATX yet in my limited experience. Again, no EMI. I ran gain up high for awhile and the machine was well behaved but it did introduce a bit of noise. I decided to opt for a quiet stable threshold which was a notch above the stock setting of 10 at the 11 setting. I think you are better off setting the ATX to run quiet so that even a peep is a target. Too much gain leads to false peeps so resist the urge to max it out.

Well, I am on my way to a novel here so best wrap this up for now. I will indeed go nugget detecting soon, but trust me, this detector will find gold nuggets, and do it well. The small gold ability is right in there with most hot VLF detectors and it sure ignores rocks and ground better than they do. I think Garrett has a winner. From the moment you pull it out of the box, fully assembled, and just fold and extend it out, ready to go, you know you have something special in your hands. Whatever you do though, remember PI detectors are not for everyone. Frankly, this is a professional grade unit best left to serious detectorists who understand the capability and how to apply it. If that sounds like you, then the ATX may well be worth your consideration.

Well, that is it for now. I will be using the ATX a lot going forward and will add information when I think I have something to add. I've only scratched the surface so far. I am more a big picture guy however and will leave nitty gritty testing to others plus most of the this versus that nonsense as well. This is a good detector, I plan on getting to know it very well, and I will do my best to help others who want to get involved with it if I can. But I'm not going to tell you you need one or should want one or any of that stuff. Just put me down as a kid with a new toy who wants to babble on about it (bragging a bit maybe) and you will know where I am coming from.

In closing, why I wanted an ATX....



Steve Herschbach
DetectorProspector.com



Currently using :fisher: Fisher F75, Gold Bug 2, Gold Bug Pro; :garrett: Garrett ATX; :minelab: Minelab CTX 3030, GPX 5000, SDC 2300; :whites: White's DFX, GM3, GMT, TDI, Surf PI DF, V3i; plus Nokta Fors Gold and XP Deus



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2013 11:53PM by steve herschbach.


Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: GoldChaser
Date: November 09, 2013 11:53PM
Thanks, Steve! Great review. I'm anxious to hear how it handles gold country and those hot rocks. Can't wait for your next review.

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Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: cymro
Date: November 10, 2013 12:15AM
Great review Steve.

I also own an Infinium and have agreed with your observations on it. Like you I have been waiting for a manufacturer to produce a machine that is waterproof and a PI, that is sensitive to small items especially nuggets , your review indicates that Garrett may well have finally produced the machine that I have been waiting for.

Dave



Located in Tasmania

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Thanks For Taking The Time Steve To Comment On The ATX.
Posted by: John-Edmonton
Date: November 10, 2013 12:45AM
I am looking forward to even more comments, as the number of Garrett ATX's get spread around. I am not a nugget hunter, but do look for rings, coins and relics. My water hunts are in fresh water, and that's where I used the ATX mostly. I share about the same % of junk vs. good targets as you have reported. Being very well rehearsed with the Infinium, I quickly bonded with the ATX and some of my hunts consisted of digging the LOW-HIGH signals only. The iron check worked well for me in freshwater. Various iron objects tend to hang around for a very long time in freshwater, lacking salt to help dissolve them. The ATX shared the same tricks such as multiple bleeps on nails and intact bobby pins. Large objects tend to give a longer sweep distance, whereas on the Infinium, a large target gave a longer audio duration. I like the audio on the ATX....when possible, I actually walk with my eyes closed, totally focusing on the audio.

My season is over....the lakes are now frozen, the snow is blanketing my open areas. All that's left are the drops on toboggan hills, which I love to hunt to keep me in shape. I believe in the old saying...."WHEN YOU ARE YOUNG, YOU SHOULD EXERCISE. WHEN YOU ARE OLD, YOU GOT TO!"

Below are my finds found only with the ATX:







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Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: dgatley
Date: November 10, 2013 02:33AM
Steve,
Thanks for your review! You have shown over the last year of my following you, to be very much as you very carefully qualified yourself to be - thankfully it was you amongst those early-bird recipients of this new detection "tool".

This is exactly what I've been waiting to hear, and hope you get to the gold detection issues soon.
I have one of these on order and plan on both types of detecting with the emphasis on gold. I had higher hopes for my ML CTX 3030 and the ML 705, however, as gold units they are a compromise compared to the far more expensive ML GPX 5000. I believe both of these units to be very fine detectors, particularly on the beach (having the coinage to prove it), and the 705 to be better with "Pickers". The CTX has yet to be as thoroughly tested for gold detection, but it's' specs would indicate that it should work for gold also. Much as I'd have liked - neither will ever be equal to the performance of a good PI detector.
Then along came Garrett ATX with the announced mid-range PI machine with incredible specs, portability, waterproof, PI - PI - PI, etc.... Did I mention PI too?

There was little doubt in my mind that it would do fine in both arenas, and you've just confirmed that for the beaches and parks(trash city). I have less doubt that it won't perform equally as well in the CA and AZ deserts against all the mineralization and hot rock environment in finding small gold targets and larger.

Anyway, thanks again. Your insight is valued, and finally there are more units arriving in hands like yours - consider me jealous (until mine arrives). Keep it up. Dave




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Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: Tye
Date: November 10, 2013 02:59AM
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I'd be lying :pinnochio if I said ...i.'m not a little surprised by the 'Christmas morning' excitement permeating your first impressions.
Now...I have to go back and read them again....guess you got me going too!

Thanks for taking the time to share your explorations with the ATX....very informative! .....looking forward to the Gold ones....

Until then...I will be digesting your first serving.

Cheers,

Tye

Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: nagov
Date: November 10, 2013 05:20AM
Thanks Steve, exactly the review I was waiting for, now that niche and the empty hook in the storage cupboard can be filled.

Cliff



Walk near it, swing over it and understand what the machine is telling you....

Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: Night Crawler
Date: November 10, 2013 06:41AM
That's a great initial report steve herschbach thanks very much for it.

As a previous ML owner myself (weighing about the same as the ATX), I personally don't have "to much" of a problem with that (weight wise).

I'm sort of piecing this together about the ATX with the information given from different posters (like yourself). I really like the way Garrett approached this as being a very easy to use (almost a turn on and go) PI detector. It's very compact and you don't have to anchor yourself down with straps, belts, and umbilical cords just to go metal detecting, it's all in one unit.

I also like the Push Button control panel right at your fingertips instead out dated knobs, and toggle switches, very refined in that regard. I'm very impressed with your EMI - Threshold report (thanks) and bearkat4160 videos.

I'm going to wait and see how the ATX will do with actual buried nuggets (as this is what I'll be using it for) in a hot ground environment like OZ to come to any conclusions of purchasing one. I don't expect this to compete with the 5000, but I would like to see this machine perform better than the Infinium and TDI for the price Garrett is asking for it.

I "really" like the compactness and simplicity of it for a PI machine though.

Thanks

:)



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2013 06:59AM by Night Crawler.

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Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: steve herschbach
Date: November 10, 2013 07:37AM
Hi Tye,

I am very passionate about my detecting and get pretty excitable when something works for me. So if my post sounds a bit loopy that because that is how I get about new detectors that hit a sweet spot. As my wife will attest I am a big kid at heart. My intention in posting was to keep it low key but I guess I blew that!



Currently using :fisher: Fisher F75, Gold Bug 2, Gold Bug Pro; :garrett: Garrett ATX; :minelab: Minelab CTX 3030, GPX 5000, SDC 2300; :whites: White's DFX, GM3, GMT, TDI, Surf PI DF, V3i; plus Nokta Fors Gold and XP Deus

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Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: steve herschbach
Date: November 10, 2013 08:07AM
I have played around with the ATX and gold nuggets and yeah it can detect gold nuggets. Frankly so can bunches of detectors I own. So I will take it out prospecting soon and find some gold nuggets with it and people will say "look, Steve found some gold nuggets with the ATX" but it will not mean a lot. I have posts all over the place with me finding gold nuggets with all kinds of detectors. I know I can go find gold nuggets with it. If the Minelabs did not exist I would just call the ATX the worlds best PI nugget hunting detector. The Minelabs existing however kind of mucks that up. It is kind of hard to go around raving about being second best but is probably how the nugget thing will play out. The real question at the end of the day is how much more capability do you get for $5795 versus $2120? I already have a GPX 5000 that I very confident in so that is not a burning question for me. It is I am sure for people considering their first PI nugget detector. I do think Minelab made a big mistake dropping the SD series and abandoning the $2000 - $3000 price point. Garrett looks to be plenty happy to jump in there with the ATX and in the United States I think it is going to fill that gap very well on the bread and butter gold we have here. Mostly smaller stuff that the ATX excels on, and in ground that rarely is near as bad as that in Australia.

If I had to go hunt some juicy location with hot ground and the possibility of a big nugget down really deep tomorrow I would just grab my GPX 5000 and go detecting. That's a fact. My main interest in nugget detecting with the ATX is in mask and snorkel sniping creeks and rivers in California. They won't let me dredge but that will not stop me getting the gold! So how in the real world of detector sales the $2120 thing versus the $5795 thing is going to play out I do not know. I need the best so I need the GPX myself. But can I look a newbie in the eye and swear he needs to spend $5795 when $2120 may serve him or her just as well? Tough call there for sure because it is all about arguing price/performance ratios and you can argue that question all day long. I honestly believe your average Joe Blow not so serious nugget hunter is just as well off with a decent VLF nugget detector as a PI in the U.S. so what does that say? It will all sort out in time.



Currently using :fisher: Fisher F75, Gold Bug 2, Gold Bug Pro; :garrett: Garrett ATX; :minelab: Minelab CTX 3030, GPX 5000, SDC 2300; :whites: White's DFX, GM3, GMT, TDI, Surf PI DF, V3i; plus Nokta Fors Gold and XP Deus



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And thanks back at you John!
Posted by: steve herschbach
Date: November 10, 2013 08:10AM
It is about time I thanked you for all your posts on the Infinium and now the ATX. I am just sorry you are froze out now! I just moved away from Alaska for that very reason. Quitting detecting for 6 months of the year every year was finally something I do not have yo do now. Hopefully you can sneak off somewhere warm with your ATX soon and good luck! Garrett has a real winner here.



Currently using :fisher: Fisher F75, Gold Bug 2, Gold Bug Pro; :garrett: Garrett ATX; :minelab: Minelab CTX 3030, GPX 5000, SDC 2300; :whites: White's DFX, GM3, GMT, TDI, Surf PI DF, V3i; plus Nokta Fors Gold and XP Deus

Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: GoldChaser
Date: November 10, 2013 11:20AM
Steve, A question on your coin hunting adventure - Did none of the iron objects in your picture signal as iron in the iron check?
Thanks again!

Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: whylee
Date: November 10, 2013 11:22AM
Great write up, some very encouraging results. Now if only we could all get our hands on one.

Re: Preliminary Impressions of the Garrett ATX
Posted by: Frank in NH
Date: November 10, 2013 11:36AM
I have the same question about the iron check on the ATX , did not notice any reference to it?

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ATX Iron Check
Posted by: steve herschbach
Date: November 10, 2013 11:52AM
The iron check on the ATX is very effective on shallow iron targets. However, it does not work on deep iron. I expected that so no surprise. People are always looking for the PI deep iron discrimination but I am not holding my breath there. Since I was hunting deep coins those were deep nails that sounded like deep coins - and which the iron check is ineffective on.



Currently using :fisher: Fisher F75, Gold Bug 2, Gold Bug Pro; :garrett: Garrett ATX; :minelab: Minelab CTX 3030, GPX 5000, SDC 2300; :whites: White's DFX, GM3, GMT, TDI, Surf PI DF, V3i; plus Nokta Fors Gold and XP Deus

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