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Ground balance in Florida?

DigDog

DigDog

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Strange thing when you would try to manually gb on the sandy soil here it would neither be positive or negative no matter where I tried locally
Fixed gb machines worked as well as auto, manual.
Is it possible that ground balancing in some places really doesn’t matter?
Obviously places that are heavily mineralized and other scenarios require gb to work properly but places with little to no mineralization is it that maybe no matter what you set it to it will not make a difference?
Really would like to hear from those that know alot about gb and especially if they used detectors in Florida. Not talking about on the beach or in water where there is salt water but just the dry inland ground which is basically all sandy soil.
We don’t have the dark rich soil, clay etc you would find around other parts of the country.
It actually pretty hard to even grow most plants, trees and crops unless it’s native
You might have some top soil under sod and some areas but you keep digging and basically one big sand bar with the exception of lime stone near the water in these parts
 
So here is the question then when the soil is neutral where do you set the gb then assuming you have a machine where you are supposed to set it before detecting?
Or does it just not matter where it is set at in that case.
Not exactly sure how the physics behind it work.
Like a machine with fixed gb or auto does it just not do anything at that point and is basically a mute point.
Theoretically then you can use any detector in neutral soil and not have to worry about ground balancing and they will not be affected?
Not having to worry about any gb would open you up to a much bigger selection and then just have a separate detector specifically for beach and salt water like a PI machine
 
u2robert said:
I detect in Florida.
Florida soil is neutral.
I never have to GB.
Except at the beach in the surf (salt sand)
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Thanks that makes it easier and open up more options on which detector to get if ground balance is not an issue anywhere inland in Florida
 
u2robert said:
I detect in Florida.
Florida soil is neutral.
I never have to GB.
Except at the beach in the surf (salt sand)
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Do you just turn on detector and go leaving the gb setting where it is.
This is what confuses me
Apparently its set at something.
Ill post a picture of a metal detector with a true manual gb similar to what i had
It has a dial
So just leave the dial on any setting?
 

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MuddyMo said:
Check your manual. If I remember right on that detector the ground balance only works when in all metal.
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Well that is interesting because if i am trying to decide on a new machine and to use disc not all metal then I shouldn’t even be concerned about gb when making my decision? Keep in mind i have neutral soil here. Thinking of getting one with just fixed gb just trying to be more certain
 
Tmops50 said:
Well that is interesting because if i am trying to decide on a new machine and to use disc not all metal then I shouldn’t even be concerned about gb when making my decision? Keep in mind i have neutral soil here. Thinking of getting one with just fixed gb just trying to be more certain
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They are correct, the Tesoro Cortes has an external GB control for the Threshold-based All Metal mode, but the silent-search Disc. mode GB is set by an internal trimmer, aka a 'fixed' or 'preset' GB.

Yes, you could or should be concerned about the Ground Balance. If you are using a detector that has a 'fixed' GB, such as a Tesoro Cibola or Silver Sabre microMAX, or a Garrett ACE 400, or many other models that have a fixed setting, you can probably just turn them On and start hunting. However, if you have a model that has a manual or automated GB that does effect the Disc. mode, then you need to make sure that the GB setting is 'functional' and not too negative or too positive in the Disc. mode.

So just a good detector that you like and feel it has features and performance you want, that has a fixed GB. and go have fun.

Monte
 
Monte said:
They are correct, the Tesoro Cortes has an external GB control for the Threshold-based All Metal mode, but the silent-search Disc. mode GB is set by an internal trimmer, aka a 'fixed' or 'preset' GB.

Yes, you could or should be concerned about the Ground Balance. If you are using a detector that has a 'fixed' GB, such as a Tesoro Cibola or Silver Sabre microMAX, or a Garrett ACE 400, or many other models that have a fixed setting, you can probably just turn them On and start hunting. However, if you have a model that has a manual or automated GB that does effect the Disc. mode, then you need to make sure that the GB setting is 'functional' and not too negative or too positive in the Disc. mode.

So just a good detector that you like and feel it has features and performance you want, that has a fixed GB. and go have fun.

Monte
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Thanks Monte but still always had this in back of my mind. Don’t have anymore those detectors with a manual gb knob to turn positive or negative but if the way to gb those is to pump coil listen for tone and adjust knob accordingly what do you do if you get no tone no matter where the knob is set? Do you just leave it in any position positive or negative?
If i do get one with manual gb i still have to gb it and with no tone at all to tell me where to set it not sure what to do.
Thats why im almost stuck with getting one with a fixed gb or possibly auto.
Just trying to understand why i never get a tone for one and twi what to do in that case
 
Maybe you can answer it another way
If say just looking at ml in my neutral soil
Do i just get a fixed gb vanquish and save money or is it worth to spend extra for a manual gb like nox, or even xterra if i can find one. Which do you think will work best in my non mineralized neutral soil. Strictly looking at a gb feature. Not weather it has recharging batteries or bluetooth or waterproof features
 
Tmops50 said:
Thanks Monte but still always had this in back of my mind. Don’t have anymore those detectors with a manual gb knob to turn positive or negative but if the way to gb those is to pump coil listen for tone and adjust knob accordingly what do you do if you get no tone no matter where the knob is set? Do you just leave it in any position positive or negative?
If i do get one with manual gb i still have to gb it and with no tone at all to tell me where to set it not sure what to do.
Thats why im almost stuck with getting one with a fixed gb or possibly auto.
Just trying to understand why i never get a tone for one and twi what to do in that case
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I would try burying what you hope to find in the soil you'll be hunting on. I carry a bag of items to do this. And tune the GB to where your targets come in the clearest and strongest.
Guys have run Minelabs on those beaches for many years. The Sovereign was king there many of those years. It always had to be ground balanced to run its Best.
Though I have a Sovereign GT. I have no experience on costal beaches. Salt.
Yet I have found fine tuning my GB on new ground like I mentioned. It goes deeper.
Good Luck.
 
Odanscoils said:
I would try burying what you hope to find in the soil you'll be hunting on. I carry a bag of items to do this. And tune the GB to where your targets come in the clearest and strongest.
Guys have run Minelabs on those beaches for many years. The Sovereign was king there many of those years. It always had to be ground balanced to run its Best.
Though I have a Sovereign GT. I have no experience on costal beaches. Salt.
Yet I have found fine tuning my GB on new ground like I mentioned. It goes deeper.
Good Luck.
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Always looking for jewelry and anything interesting. Coins not so much because not really alot older coins in the area.
Also basically inland not beach
Thats just it have never been able to hb a manual gb detector in this soil.
Follow all the instructions but never get a tone.
So if it doesn’t matter here just get a plain fixed gb machine that what im trying to figure out and also understand.
Don’t spend money don’t have to and get a good understanding of gb in this soil and why can never gb a manual detector. Maybe just how they react here. Sure would like to know
 
Minelab Pirate said:
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So glad you posted this because I can’t seem to get mist people to understand what i am asking.
Ive had two of these vaqueros a tejon and others.
Do exactly what is showing in the video the only difference or problem that nobody understands is that i never get a change in the threshold sound. Zero zilch.
Up, down, around with the coil, no matter where the gb knob is set, no change in tone, not the slightest bit. Constant stable hum,buz, weather the gb knob is all the way negative or positive. What gives?
 
Tmops50 said:
So glad you posted this because I can’t seem to get mist people to understand what i am asking.
Ive had two of these vaqueros a tejon and others.
Do exactly what is showing in the video the only difference or problem that nobody understands is that i never get a change in the threshold sound. Zero zilch.
Up, down, around with the coil, no matter where the gb knob is set, no change in tone, not the slightest bit. Constant stable hum,buz, weather the gb knob is all the way negative or positive. What gives?
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Your machine is broken?
 
Tmops50 said:
Do you just turn on detector and go leaving the gb setting where it is.
This is what confuses me
Apparently its set at something.
Ill post a picture of a metal detector with a true manual gb similar to what i had
It has a dial
So just leave the dial on any setting?
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Yes factory preset
 
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