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Doubts over Manticore 50% extra power.

The Coin Magician

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I watched a video today on you tube , a video that claims the 50% extra power claimed by minelab for the manticore is BS. All metal detectors are limited to 1 watt of transmit power by law it says.
I have head some say that manticore is no deeper than the 900. I wonder if it is all a con to get money out of gullible detector buyers / users. I also heard they can't make them fast enough for the
gullible's. :)
 
I watched a video today on you tube , a video that claims the 50% extra power claimed by minelab for the manticore is BS. All metal detectors are limited to 1 watt of transmit power by law it says.
I have head some say that manticore is no deeper than the 900. I wonder if it is all a con to get money out of gullible detector buyers / users. I also heard they can't make them fast enough for the
gullible's. :)
How about a link to that video?
 
I watched a video today on you tube , a video that claims the 50% extra power claimed by minelab for the manticore is BS. All metal detectors are limited to 1 watt of transmit power by law it says.
I have head some say that manticore is no deeper than the 900. I wonder if it is all a con to get money out of gullible detector buyers / users. I also heard they can't make them fast enough for the
gullible's. :)
Yeah I watched that video to and now I'm skeptical of buying the manticore and going with the 900 instead because 500 extra for a 2D screen is not worth it in my opinion but I'm in no hurry at all
 
I have the Core and am totally satisfied with it. I'm learning more all the time. I don't care if you tell me it has 10,000 times more power or it has less power than a watch battery. I want results, so far I've found many coins at the 9" plus depth. I like how it separates and the 2D mapping. You know one thing about this detector that few people even think of or admit. IT'S A FUN DETECTOR TO USE. iT'S EASY TO USE STRAIGHT OUT THE BOX, THE MENU IS EASY TO LEARN. If you don't have the manual with you all the functions are on each setting just click on the Pencil emoji and go to info it will tell you what each setting does and where it's useful. Any other unit do that. It lets you program the soft buttons to the function of your choice. If you haven't used this detector then don't bash it. I'm not saying it's the best detector for all but it does what it's supposed to .
 
Minelab doesn't say where the "power" is but as Mack says don't knock it ill you try it. I will also agree most of it's in the processing with some in the depth. 95 percent of these you tubers are misleading viewers for the sake of self-benefit or lack of experience. There are a few good ones, good luck sorting them out LOL I for one am killing it with the Manticore that I bought with my own funds.
 
I believe an engineer mentioned the computing power is so much higher it processes much more of the reflected power. Possibly explaining the more power statement.
He said, More power coming out of the product, going into the ground.
 
Yes minelab rep said that.
I'm referring to the engineer in the video.
And if it's able to process and access 50% more of the reflected signal. Power.
I'm quite satisfied with that.
What would happen if the engineers increased the transmit power by 50% . That would push deeper down surely. Lets say out put transmit power was increased to 2 watts. It would go deeper by quite a bit.
 
What would happen if the engineers increased the transmit power by 50% . That would push deeper down surely. Lets say out put transmit power was increased to 2 watts. It would go deeper by quite a bit.
Yes it would go deeper thats double the watts they say for saftey reasons its regulated to 1 watt by the FCC.
Mark
 
I have not seen what the 50% more powerful refers to. It could be battery power, computer power, radiated power, coil ear resilience to breakage, audio power, light lumens, screen display, or it a combination of all the improvements?

Has anyone seen in MineLab's documentations just what they are referring to with the 50% statement?
 
What would happen if the engineers increased the transmit power by 50% . That would push deeper down surely. Lets say out put transmit power was increased to 2 watts. It would go deeper by quite a bit.
True. But the FCC has a limit of one watt.
I'm surprised what they can do with one watt.
I wish I could go in every machine I own and tweak the power output. At output to a least 2 watts.
5-10 who knows. Be fun to try.
 
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My take on this is that most of us are not electrical engineers or physicists, and so we have no idea what is going on in the inner workings of these detectors.

I saw that video, and the logic he uses; one thing I can say is there are reasons he may not be correct -- things he's not considering.
To illustrate...and I have NO IDEA if what I'm about to say is correct, but it COULD be at least loosely correct, and would be something that he is not considering....

Let's say there is 1 Watt of "power" that is "going into the ground" with the EQX, AND with the Manticore, and the FCC is happy. NOW, both units are "simultaneous multifrequency" machines, of course. So they are by definition, it would seem, sending more than one frequency into the ground at the exact same time. So, it would seem to me that if you have 1W to work with, but you are transmitting multiple frequencies simultaneously, it would seem to me that it's at least possible that the way it happens physically is that the 1 W is DIVIDED UP, amongst each of the frequencies that are being simultanously transmitted. SO -- let's say that in the Equinox, there are 3 different frequencies trasmitted, and all three are transmitted SIMULTANEOUSLY (and let's assume they are 5 kHz, 10 kHz, and 15 kHz). In this case, then, it would seem to at least potentially imply that each of the 3 frequencies are transmitted at a power of 1/3 of the total 1 W (.33 W each). Right?

So, now, let's say that to get "50% more power" to the coil, let's pretend that what Minelab did in Manticore is that they are now transmitting 4 different frequencies (let's say 2.5, 5, 10, and 15), but they transmit them only TWO AT A TIME, in rapid succession -- first they transmit 2.5 and 5, simultaneously then they transmit 10 and 15, simultaneously. SO, now, in my speculative scenario, the 1W of power is only divided amongst TWO frequencies, and thus each of the first two frequencies transmitted get 50% of the power each (1/2 W each), and then the SECOND two also get 1/2 W each. SO -- if you then look at it in terms of how much power was EACH INDIVIDUAL frequency transmitted, it is indeed "50% more" with the Manticore (in this hypothetical scenario). The 5 kHz frequency transmission, for example, was getting .33 W of the total 1 W in the hypothetical Equinox I described here, and yet in the hypothetical Manticore, the 5 kHz transmission was using .5 W of the total 1 W. And, .5 W is indeed 50% more than .33 W, even though TOTAL transmit power is still 1 W in both machines.

NOW -- that is ENTIRELY made up; I have no idea if that is what they are doing or how they do it...or even if that's even how "transmit power" works (i.e. divided amongst the number of frequencies being transmitted). But, that is ONE (among other) possibility of how Minelab MAY NOT be lying. All I'm saying is that there are things that we may not know that we are not even aware that we doesn't know, and it's something that looking at the specs, like the gentleman did, would NOT reveal this (in my hypothetical case).

The BOTTOM LINE is that it an outstanding machine, amonst other outstanding machines on the market, and I personally really like it, no matter HOW Minelab's marketing department may spin things. They "spun" things when they released the Equinox, also, saying it would "obsolete" all other detectors. Did it? Not REALLY. But, does that mean it wasn't an incredible, and I'd argue game-changing machine? Of course not. The marketers at Minelab are over-exuberant, but Minelab's development team has always been top notch, in my book.

Steve
 
My take on this is that most of us are not electrical engineers or physicists, and so we have no idea what is going on in the inner workings of these detectors.

I saw that video, and the logic he uses; one thing I can say is there are reasons he may not be correct -- things he's not considering.
To illustrate...and I have NO IDEA if what I'm about to say is correct, but it COULD be at least loosely correct, and would be something that he is not considering....

Let's say there is 1 Watt of "power" that is "going into the ground" with the EQX, AND with the Manticore, and the FCC is happy. NOW, both units are "simultaneous multifrequency" machines, of course. So they are by definition, it would seem, sending more than one frequency into the ground at the exact same time. So, it would seem to me that if you have 1W to work with, but you are transmitting multiple frequencies simultaneously, it would seem to me that it's at least possible that the way it happens physically is that the 1 W is DIVIDED UP, amongst each of the frequencies that are being simultanously transmitted. SO -- let's say that in the Equinox, there are 3 different frequencies trasmitted, and all three are transmitted SIMULTANEOUSLY (and let's assume they are 5 kHz, 10 kHz, and 15 kHz). In this case, then, it would seem to at least potentially imply that each of the 3 frequencies are transmitted at a power of 1/3 of the total 1 W (.33 W each). Right?

So, now, let's say that to get "50% more power" to the coil, let's pretend that what Minelab did in Manticore is that they are now transmitting 4 different frequencies (let's say 2.5, 5, 10, and 15), but they transmit them only TWO AT A TIME, in rapid succession -- first they transmit 2.5 and 5, simultaneously then they transmit 10 and 15, simultaneously. SO, now, in my speculative scenario, the 1W of power is only divided amongst TWO frequencies, and thus each of the first two frequencies transmitted get 50% of the power each (1/2 W each), and then the SECOND two also get 1/2 W each. SO -- if you then look at it in terms of how much power was EACH INDIVIDUAL frequency transmitted, it is indeed "50% more" with the Manticore (in this hypothetical scenario). The 5 kHz frequency transmission, for example, was getting .33 W of the total 1 W in the hypothetical Equinox I described here, and yet in the hypothetical Manticore, the 5 kHz transmission was using .5 W of the total 1 W. And, .5 W is indeed 50% more than .33 W, even though TOTAL transmit power is still 1 W in both machines.

NOW -- that is ENTIRELY made up; I have no idea if that is what they are doing or how they do it...or even if that's even how "transmit power" works (i.e. divided amongst the number of frequencies being transmitted). But, that is ONE (among other) possibility of how Minelab MAY NOT be lying. All I'm saying is that there are things that we may not know that we are not even aware that we doesn't know, and it's something that looking at the specs, like the gentleman did, would NOT reveal this (in my hypothetical case).

The BOTTOM LINE is that it an outstanding machine, amonst other outstanding machines on the market, and I personally really like it, no matter HOW Minelab's marketing department may spin things. They "spun" things when they released the Equinox, also, saying it would "obsolete" all other detectors. Did it? Not REALLY. But, does that mean it wasn't an incredible, and I'd argue game-changing machine? Of course not. The marketers at Minelab are over-exuberant, but Minelab's development team has always been top notch, in my book.

Steve
That's a thought.
What if they use 1 watt per frequencie.
Sending them out mili seconds apart.
In groups thousands of a second apart.
That could effectively be 2-5 watts output.
Kinda like this.
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