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Core, Relic or Gold ? Posted by: dfmike
Date: July 15, 2017 07:32PM |
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Just considering the FORS CoRe and Relic models? Posted by: Monte
Date: July 16, 2017 12:31PM |
Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 7,321 |
Just from that statement I would say any of the three versatile Nokta models, the FORS CoRe, FORS Relic or new Impact, can handle any of your search needs. I know because I use all three models for both Coin Hunting and Relic Hunting. I am especially interested in older era coins, and naturally that means silver coins are of high interest, plus I like to find Trade Tokens, jewelry, and other smaller-size artifacts from the periods of the sites I find.Quote
dfmike
Hi all. I'm interested in one of the many Nokta machines. I like to hunt for just about everything but first and foremost I like old coins and mostly silver.
The CoRe (stands for Coin and Relic) operates at 15 kHz (in the 10 kHz to 15 kHz mid-range of operation) and features GEN (threshold-based All Metal) mode, and silent-search Di2 (2-Tone / VCO enhanced), Di3 (processed 3-Tone) and COG (Conductive Ground or Saltwater Beach2-Tone / VCO enhanced) modes.Quote
dfmike
I'm not sure about the differences between the machines mentioned apart from frequency.
The Relic operates at 19 kHz, above the typical mid-range for VLF detectors, that is generally considered more responsive (hotter?) for lower-conductive targets such as gold nuggets, US 5¢ coins, most gold jewelry and other lower-conductive desired targets like some buttons, bullets, etc. The Relic has the same search modes as the CoRe plus two additional modes somewhat taken from the 19 kHz FORS Gold + that are also 2-Tone and VCO enhanced modes called Swift (faster processing for trashier sites but with reduced detection depth) and Deep (a slower-sweep mode that can provide a reasonable percentage of increased depth-of-detection in sparse-target sites).Quote
dfmike
I believe the Relic is a newer design than the Core and that it has some type of iron audio that I would appreciate.
Looking only at MSRP, the CoRe w/7X11 DD is $699, the Relic w/7X11 DD AND 5" DD is $799 and the Impact w/7X11 DD is $899. For those who can afford the extra amount AND purchase one or two extra search coils, the Impact is a terrific way to go. I enjoy both of mine and the coils that work best for me.Quote
dfmike
I can't go for the Impact at this time because budget is limited.
Yes, I have tested both models, often, side-by-side and also done this for folks who were interested in these detectors and their potential. Both the CoRe and Relic provide above-average depth-of-detection compared with their competition, and when comparing similar search modes, such as Di2 or Di3, I give a slight edge to the CoRe on most US coins and that favors it for some of the higher conductivity coins like copper and silver. The Relic, due to operating frequency, generally has a slight edge on the US 5¢ coin and other lower-conductive targets.Quote
dfmike
Has the Relic been tested for depth against the Core and what were the differences if any (on silver coins specifically)?
I have only used GB 'Tracking' three times since I got my first Nokta CoRe in early January of 2015. Auto-tracking GB, for most makes and models, is best used only in a Threshold-based All Metal mode. It can work against you in a motion-based Discriminate mode in several ways. Even by direction in the Nokta User Manual for ALL of their detectors, they suggest using Tracking only in All Metal, and have Tracking turned 'OFF' in all the Discriminate search modes. Yes, it could have a bearing on 'recovery speed' but the primary problems can be off-tracking in iron debris and that can then effect recovery speed as well as target detection. Just leave 'Tracking' turned 'OFF' most of the time with any detector, Makro and Nokta included, for best all around performance.Quote
dfmike
I'm also wondering if switching auto GB tracking on has any negative impact on recovery speed.
Re: Core, Relic or Gold ? Posted by: dfmike
Date: July 16, 2017 06:46PM |
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Re: Core, Relic or Gold ? Posted by: Sonnyd
Date: July 16, 2017 08:23PM |
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Re: Core, Relic or Gold ? Posted by: dfmike
Date: July 17, 2017 06:24PM |
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Replies to 'dfmike.' Posted by: Monte
Date: July 19, 2017 02:23AM |
Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 7,321 |
I borrowed a Fisher F5 from a dealer friend to check out a few years back against my Teknetics Omega 8000, Version 4, and I preferred the weight and balance of my Omega 8000, and I also seemed to have better TID lock-on at mid-depths to deeper than I did with the F5. Back then, the Omega 8000 was my main-use TID model for Traditional Urban Coin Hunting, and I preferred the round 8" Concentric I swapped off a Delta, but did a lot of my hunting using the round 5" DD coil.Quote
dfmike
I have a Fisher F5 and an F19 with small, medium and big coils. I like and use both but prefer the F19 for it's stability, ID at depth and recovery speed.
Tried the F44, but didn't care for the unit or the oddball shaped standard coil. The 705 I worked with, not too much different from the X-T 70 I had when first introduced, worked, but there's just something lacking in performance. Also they need a more controlled or governed sweep speed for best results.Quote
dfmike
Previous to that I had a Fisher F44 and X-Terra 705 both of which I tried to like but couldn't for several reasons.
Like you I will gladly take on any site challenge anywhere I go, but I do spend more time Relic Hunting than I do Coin or Beach Hunting. Most places I plant myself in I seem to be surrounded by a lot of building rubble, brush, and an ample amount of ferrous-based debris.Quote
dfmike
I really hunt just about everywhere but the main places I hunt are fresh water beaches for jewelry and rural or semi rural places for old copper coins, tokens, silver coins or historically significant artifacts/relics. Some sites are lightly to semi polluted with iron and foil junk while others are literally covered with it and the good stuff sits underneath.
Being an American and having so many great choices of detectors offered by American-based companies (note, I didn't say they were made in the USA), I haven't used a lot of foreign produced detectors. I have had a Minelab X-Terra 30, 50, 70, three Sovereigns, five or six FBS Explorer series units, an XP GoldMAXX, and have borrowed a couple of other detectors from non-USA makers, but I have never been all that thrilled with the weight, balance or performance for me and the types of hunting I mainly do. Usually I have been somewhat reluctant to want to acquire some of the foreign engineered detectors, especially an up-start outfit, but something was different about the new Nokta offerings coming out of Turkey.Quote
dfmike
I was not considering the Nokta's initially because I was taken aback by the small screen. The essential information is there though and I don't really think I need more. I've been so amazed by my Makro pointer since day one that I always wondered how it would be to swing one of their detectors.
E-mail me and let me know where you are in Canada.Quote
dfmike
The pricing scheme you mentioned is for the US. In Canada, the prices are different. The Relic is about $125 more than the Core and includes only one coil as far as I can see. The Impact isn't even sold here yet and when it comes out I gather it will be at least another $100 more than the Relic which would take it to a grand or more !
Yes, it can be used without an arm strap. That said, I prefer to use the arm straps. I never cinch them up tight and have to unhook them to set the detector down, however, because I just fasten them so they can reduce possible slop or floppy movement, and I easily slide my arm in and grab the hand-grip and easily slide my arm out for target recovery.Quote
dfmike
One more question for now if you may: I've never used a detector with a box under the arm rest. Is it possible to swing it without the arm strap despite the weight in the back ? I don't want to use any kind of strap. Also, when putting the detector down, doesn't the electronic box get damp ?
The Impact Pro Pack comes with a really nice stand with folding legs. You can buy these separately. They also now offer the same stand, but with a rounded fitting piece instead of the triangular-shaped design for the Impact. These new stands were offered for use on the Makro Racer series but might work okay of other detectors with a similar diameter rod, and if the mounting bolt isn't in the way of the arm between the cup and grip.Quote
dfmike
Didn't I see a small stand underneath the box in a Google photo ? It looked like it fit on both sides of the box and it allowed the box to be about 2 inches above ground at all times. The places I hunt are generally covered in dew until at least 9 or 10:00 AM.
No. The FORS CoRe early version with rocker switches on the side to adjust the settings, then that was upgraded to membrane switches which I have on mine. The Relic series came only with membrane switches, and to my knowledge there haven't been any other changes to these two models, and I can't think of any change they might need.Quote
dfmike
Also, are there different versions of these machines ? When I startup the detector, do I get a software version displayed ? I ask this because if I decide to buy one I'd prefer to have a late model.
Re: Core, Relic or Gold ? Posted by: dfmike
Date: July 19, 2017 05:51PM |
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Re: Core, Relic or Gold ? Posted by: dfmike
Date: July 26, 2017 06:19PM |
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Re: Core, Relic or Gold ? Posted by: okdirtjunky
Date: July 28, 2017 10:31AM |
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