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Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: nagant
Date: December 03, 2017 03:28PM
I thought about the 600 but the 800 comes with wireless headphones and the WM 08 wireless
audio module and the back lit screen is low medium high compared to on/off for the 600.

Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: ohiochris
Date: December 05, 2017 04:23PM
I may not understand this correctly , but as I understand it multi frequency detectors handle tough ground and unmask better ......and if that is the case then might it be possible that the more frequencies the better , regardless of their intended purpose ? If its the sampling of the ground with different frequencies that make it more accurate than wouldnt the 800 be a more accurate/stable detector than the 600 even when not hunting for things that would call for the higher frequencies ?

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Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 05, 2017 06:05PM
Chris --

Generally handle better ground better, yes -- but I don't think many feel a multi-freq is in general a better unmasker...

BUT, yes, the multi-freqs are generally more accurate with ID at depth.

With that said, Minelab has stated that the 800 and 600 both use the same frequencies in multi-freq mode. It's just that you can't INDIVIDUALLY SELECT the 20 and 40 kHz single freq options on the 600...but the multi-freq modes are the same in both machines.

Steve



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Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: Nuke em
Date: December 05, 2017 06:59PM
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sgoss66
Chris --

Generally handle better ground better, yes -- but I don't think many feel a multi-freq is in general a better unmasker...

BUT, yes, the multi-freqs are generally more accurate with ID at depth.

With that said, Minelab has stated that the 800 and 600 both use the same frequencies in multi-freq mode. It's just that you can't INDIVIDUALLY SELECT the 20 and 40 kHz single freq options on the 600...but the multi-freq modes are the same in both machines.

Steve

I have just thought of the reason that has to be true .
For both machines they have to share the same coils , they have to be wired the same and have all freqs in them . So its only software that stops the 600 doing what the 800 can do.



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Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: CCadrin
Date: December 05, 2017 09:27PM
I thought I read that the 600 does not have a gold mode hence there is no 40kHz

Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: CCadrin
Date: December 05, 2017 09:36PM
I thought I read that the 600 does not have a gold mode hence there is no 40kHz and no 20 kHz

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Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 05, 2017 11:07PM
CCadrin --

That is correct -- no 20 kHz and 40 kHz selectable as SINGLE frequencies on the 600...but whatever frequencies are used in the Multi-IQ mode will be the same in both units...

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Equinox 800
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D Ground Shark "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: ohiochris
Date: December 06, 2017 11:03AM
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sgoss66
Chris --

Generally handle better ground better, yes -- but I don't think many feel a multi-freq is in general a better unmasker...

BUT, yes, the multi-freqs are generally more accurate with ID at depth.

With that said, Minelab has stated that the 800 and 600 both use the same frequencies in multi-freq mode. It's just that you can't INDIVIDUALLY SELECT the 20 and 40 kHz single freq options on the 600...but the multi-freq modes are the same in both machines.

Steve


This may be true , I hope it is. Unless I just missed it though , I havent seen this on the published specs anywhere. Where it lists the frequencies each uses the 600 is missing the gold frequencies altogether , with no stipulation that they are there in multi mode just not available for single freq. use. If true though , I could save some money and get the 600 instead of the 800. ( whenever I can finally afford a new detector that is )

But on my previous topic , its been said that multi freq handles tough ground and salt better because the extra freq's in a way help to cancel out the interference , and atleast in theory the same properties .....depending on the settings used of course..... can help isolate a non ferrous target in close proximity to iron. One of the reasons why the XP Deus is said to be great in iron. Not a complete elimination of masking but a clearer picture of what is going on beneath the soil. Multi frequency is new to me so I could be wrong but Ive noticed others on various forums saying the same thing. I may have my hopes up too high but I have a couple sites that are pretty much undetectable because of an almost literal iron curtain between the surface and the layer containing the sites history ,.....one of them a fairground that was later a brick yard and then a huge tire dump that caught fire and burned to the ground leaving a mesh of steel wires to decompose over decades. After trying that site many times I dont believe any single frequency detector stands a chance with that environment. It may be expecting too much but any advantage a multi freq detector can offer , even if small , might possibly make the site worth the frustration of trying it again.

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Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 06, 2017 11:12PM
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ohiochris

This may be true , I hope it is. Unless I just missed it though , I havent seen this on the published specs anywhere. Where it lists the frequencies each uses the 600 is missing the gold frequencies altogether , with no stipulation that they are there in multi mode just not available for single freq. use. If true though , I could save some money and get the 600 instead of the 800. ( whenever I can finally afford a new detector that is )

Chris --

Read this...

https://www.minelab.com/usa/go-minelabbing/treasure-talk/equinox-technologies-part-2

About halfway down, you will see this picture...



Right under that picture, are these words, referring to that picture (in light print):

* 20 kHz and 40 kHz are not available as single operating frequencies in EQUINOX 600. The Multi-IQ frequency range shown applies to both EQUINOX 600 and 800. This diagram is representative only. Actual sensitivity levels will depend upon target types and sizes, ground conditions and detector settings.

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ohiochris
But on my previous topic , its been said that multi freq handles tough ground and salt better because the extra freq's in a way help to cancel out the interference , and atleast in theory the same properties .....depending on the settings used of course..... can help isolate a non ferrous target in close proximity to iron. One of the reasons why the XP Deus is said to be great in iron. Not a complete elimination of masking but a clearer picture of what is going on beneath the soil. Multi frequency is new to me so I could be wrong but Ive noticed others on various forums saying the same thing. I may have my hopes up too high but I have a couple sites that are pretty much undetectable because of an almost literal iron curtain between the surface and the layer containing the sites history ,.....one of them a fairground that was later a brick yard and then a huge tire dump that caught fire and burned to the ground leaving a mesh of steel wires to decompose over decades. After trying that site many times I dont believe any single frequency detector stands a chance with that environment. It may be expecting too much but any advantage a multi freq detector can offer , even if small , might possibly make the site worth the frustration of trying it again.

If that old fairground is what you say it is -- with all that steel wire mesh as thick as you claim it to be, you are out of luck with ANY detector.

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Equinox 800
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D Ground Shark "King of Spades"

Norman, OK


Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: ohiochris
Date: December 08, 2017 05:44PM
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sgoss66
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ohiochris

This may be true , I hope it is. Unless I just missed it though , I havent seen this on the published specs anywhere. Where it lists the frequencies each uses the 600 is missing the gold frequencies altogether , with no stipulation that they are there in multi mode just not available for single freq. use. If true though , I could save some money and get the 600 instead of the 800. ( whenever I can finally afford a new detector that is )

Chris --

Read this...

https://www.minelab.com/usa/go-minelabbing/treasure-talk/equinox-technologies-part-2

About halfway down, you will see this picture...

[attachment 352586 Simplified-Curves-EN-1200px.jpg]

Right under that picture, are these words, referring to that picture (in light print):

* 20 kHz and 40 kHz are not available as single operating frequencies in EQUINOX 600. The Multi-IQ frequency range shown applies to both EQUINOX 600 and 800. This diagram is representative only. Actual sensitivity levels will depend upon target types and sizes, ground conditions and detector settings.

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ohiochris
But on my previous topic , its been said that multi freq handles tough ground and salt better because the extra freq's in a way help to cancel out the interference , and atleast in theory the same properties .....depending on the settings used of course..... can help isolate a non ferrous target in close proximity to iron. One of the reasons why the XP Deus is said to be great in iron. Not a complete elimination of masking but a clearer picture of what is going on beneath the soil. Multi frequency is new to me so I could be wrong but Ive noticed others on various forums saying the same thing. I may have my hopes up too high but I have a couple sites that are pretty much undetectable because of an almost literal iron curtain between the surface and the layer containing the sites history ,.....one of them a fairground that was later a brick yard and then a huge tire dump that caught fire and burned to the ground leaving a mesh of steel wires to decompose over decades. After trying that site many times I dont believe any single frequency detector stands a chance with that environment. It may be expecting too much but any advantage a multi freq detector can offer , even if small , might possibly make the site worth the frustration of trying it again.

If that old fairground is what you say it is -- with all that steel wire mesh as thick as you claim it to be, you are out of luck with ANY detector.

Steve



Yeah , I know , and I'm not looking for miracles.......but if there is a spot or two with a little window through the iron curtain and trash , the better the detector you use the better the chances of being able to exploit them.....or so I am hoping

Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: ohiochris
Date: December 08, 2017 06:45PM
Although , the videos available have shown its ability to hit well on coins very close to LARGE iron , in situations most other detectors.....even the best ones.....usually cant , or atleast struggle to. And a recovery speed that blows everything else away. Its a fairly large area and though a lot of it will defeat even the equinox , there may be some windows in the iron that the EQ is suited for

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Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: sgoss66
Date: December 08, 2017 09:03PM
Absolutely, Chris. I am sure there are "windows" that you may be able to see through. And absolutely, with the "best machine for the job," you increase your chances of course. I expect the Equinox to be very good in iron; in your situation, I'd think the 6" coil would also be of benefit, so you are not taking in as much "volume" of dirt (with all that decomposing iron therein) at one time...

Steve



Minelab CTX 3030
Minelab Equinox 800
Garrett ProPointer AT
Lesche hand digger
Lesche 38D Ground Shark "King of Spades"

Norman, OK

Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: hairymonsterman
Date: December 11, 2017 04:27AM
What vid was this Chris?

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ohiochris
Although , the videos available have shown its ability to hit well on coins very close to LARGE iron , in situations most other detectors.....even the best ones.....usually cant , or atleast struggle to. And a recovery speed that blows everything else away. Its a fairly large area and though a lot of it will defeat even the equinox , there may be some windows in the iron that the EQ is suited for


Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: ohiochris
Date: December 15, 2017 07:51PM
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hairymonsterman
What vid was this Chris?

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ohiochris
Although , the videos available have shown its ability to hit well on coins very close to LARGE iron , in situations most other detectors.....even the best ones.....usually cant , or atleast struggle to. And a recovery speed that blows everything else away. Its a fairly large area and though a lot of it will defeat even the equinox , there may be some windows in the iron that the EQ is suited for


Here is the most notable one I seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yKHpUiHQZc

Re: Advantage 600 or 800
Posted by: Bourneredi
Date: December 17, 2017 04:30PM
When the Minelab site finally came back up, references to the EQ600 have been removed.

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